[HN Gopher] We all need some space
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We all need some space
Author : ColinWright
Score : 73 points
Date : 2023-07-08 09:28 UTC (13 hours ago)
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| motohagiography wrote:
| I live on a large open expanse of almost a kilometre in each
| direction owing to the positioning of this farm relative to the
| other farm fields in the area, and one of the main problems
| neighbors and I have is that people from the suburbs think that
| "nobody lives here." Using rural areas for hiking, fishing,
| cycling where you are moving and there is a beginning and end to
| it is fine and very welcome.
|
| Absolutely get far, it's good for the soul but, PSA about being
| out in nature and rural areas:
|
| What made these places desirable was your absence. Loitering in
| your cars in front of peoples properties is an abuse of the peace
| the people who live there have invested in and created. Respect
| the peace of those places you go. If you are out at night, always
| turn off your car and all lights and be quiet. The most welcome
| guests are the ones who leave.
| arp242 wrote:
| Leaving a car running on stationary is also annoying in the
| city, never mind polluting both the environment and people for
| no good reason.
| scruple wrote:
| I've had some conversations with neighbors about it. In fact,
| most of my neighbors have had the same conversation with one
| or two of our neighbors. The muffler on this guys WRX, which
| is _always_ on the street instead of inside of his empty
| garage, _vibrates our window frames_. He used to make a habit
| of getting into his car, starting it, and then _fucking
| around on his phone for 30 minutes_. It 's completely mental.
|
| Thankfully, for our neighborhoods collective sanity, after at
| least a dozen interactions with him, he's stopped idling in
| front of his house.
| johnchristopher wrote:
| I once got out of bed at 11pm to go out and ask the
| occupants of a car to turn off the engine, the low rumbling
| noise was irritating me a lot. Was told they were waiting
| for their SO to come back from the pizzeria with pizzas. I
| later learned about misophonia but I still hate it when
| people leave their engines on more than three minutes
| before leaving.
| jjtheblunt wrote:
| I wonder what these "be noisy" car people will do as EVs
| replace aging WRXes etc. we have a neighbor mid 40s age
| with a teenage daughter, both super nice, both insanely
| into loud mufflers. It's annoying to everyone at first but
| they are so over the top hobby-level crazy about their
| custom loud mufflers that everyone seems to have replaced
| irritation with unavoidable amusement. Like there's a
| unique set of cartoon characters living a few houses down.
| They never sit around idling noisily so perhaps it's the
| reason they're tolerable.
| thelastparadise wrote:
| Obviously, what they're going to do is blast music really
| loud.
| tjr225 wrote:
| [dead]
| djha-skin wrote:
| Author needs to get out to the American West sometime. 1km is
| chump change out here. I've always been around others when I've
| traveled but I could have easily traveled alone if I wanted to.
| Our party has been has often been so far away from others that no
| other person could be seen for miles around.
| thaumaturgy wrote:
| I've spent a lot of time in some pretty deep wilderness in the
| west, and I'm skeptical that I've ever been more than 10km from
| the nearest other person. I often come across old tracks even
| when I'm going cross-country. Even some of my secret spots are
| now getting a lot of traffic (see also
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37Hmd-VkMIM). I climb mountains
| just to get some peace and quiet and half the time there's some
| other unfortunate soul trying to do the same. I think my most
| remote trip so far was somewhere in the vicinity of 10T 480360E
| 4595500N, and even then, I doubt there was more than 10km
| between me and the next nearest person.
|
| I think what most people are thinking of when they think of
| wilderness solitude is _density of people_. The next nearest
| person might be only 5km, but depending on conditions, I 'm not
| likely to realize they exist. At densities of < 1 person/sq.
| km., most people start getting that feeling of being "really
| far out there".
| akiselev wrote:
| Take a look at Project Remote:
| https://www.projectremote.com/state-rankings/
|
| They haven't done California or Washington but New Mexico is
| the most remote in the west so far with 11.5 miles to a road.
| Even Texas only ranks in at 6.6 miles.
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| pavel_lishin wrote:
| Point Nemo (https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/nemo.html) is
| located 2,688 kilometers from the nearest landmass; if there are
| no ships nearby, you could easily be thousands of kilometers away
| from anyone.
|
| Unless the ISS or the Tiangong is passing overhead.
| zokier wrote:
| I wonder what are closest significant shipping/flight routes of
| Nemo
| samtho wrote:
| Likely not much, if you were to go further south, there are a
| few parallels/latitudes where no landmasses exist. This
| creates a very hostile environment for maritime vessels due
| to 90mph (150kph) westerly winds and 50ft (15m) waves. As for
| planes, most east bound flights from AU/NZ, the great circle
| route that runs through there doesn't really go anywhere
| except to middle Atlantic Ocean, dipping south of Cape Horn.
| It is a place truly devoid of people.
|
| If I recall correctly, they are actually planning the deorbit
| of the ISS to land around there precisely because of its
| proximity to literally nothing.
| selimthegrim wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Forties
| throwaway22032 wrote:
| It seems strange that the article assumes that the country
| someone currently lives in is relevant.
|
| I'm British but I've been to places like the US, Scandinavia,
| Russia etc that have huge open expanses.
|
| Never more than 10m away from someone else is obviously just
| wrong. That's less than following distance on a motorway.
| KolmogorovComp wrote:
| > like the US, Scandinavia, Russia etc that have huge open
| expanses.
|
| But most people living/visiting these open spaces are traveling
| with their family/friends, not alone.
| pavel_lishin wrote:
| > _Never more than 10m away from someone else is obviously just
| wrong. That 's less than following distance on a motorway._
|
| If you live your entire life in a high-density city, you may
| never have been on a motorway.
| yakubin wrote:
| But you probably visited a forest/a national park/swam in a
| sea/a lake etc. I think it's rather unlikely for someone to
| live till 20 without making more distance.
| ComputerGuru wrote:
| Your take is valid though /somewhat/ biased towards the
| first-world experience. The scenario you dismiss is, for
| example, actually rather likely for someone living in Dhaka
| - and that's not to use an extreme "open air prison"
| example like Gaza where 2 million people are confined to
| 140 sq miles (365 sq km) without benefit of national parks
| and with an extremely small fishing zone.
|
| (Although I think one can still do better than being
| literally within 10m of an individual at all times, which
| is a bit extreme.)
| ta1243 wrote:
| Certainly I've been to Gaza a couple of times and I've
| been more than 10m from someone just when I walked down
| to the beach from the hotel.
|
| 100m is probably a bit more of a challenge without
| deliberately doing it, but I've only been there for a
| handful of days to a handful of locations, not 20 years.
| I suspect you could probably do 250m at the right time of
| day/night at a few places though.
| blueflow wrote:
| > I think it's rather unlikely for someone to live till 20
| without making more distance.
|
| poverty.
| internetter wrote:
| The last hike I did -- 60km or so -- I encountered... I believe
| it was 3 distinct groups. Assuming there were also others
| traveling in my direction, 10km seems reasonable, though
| unlikely. Probably closer to 8km or so
| lentil_soup wrote:
| Would Michael Collins (Apollo 11) be the person that has been
| furthest from any other human ever? (or potentially someone else
| from one of the Apollo missions?)
| goda90 wrote:
| Al Worden on Apollo 15 holds the record because of a different
| orbit than the rest of the Apollo missions. 2235 miles from his
| crewmates.
| croisillon wrote:
| Was he not up there with 2 other humans?
| downboots wrote:
| Arguably they meant average distance
| avhon1 wrote:
| Not while Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were down on the
| surface of the moon. Michael Collins remained in orbit around
| the moon. Once every forty-odd minutes (the duration of his
| lunar orbit), he was separated by the entire diameter of the
| moon (over 3400 km) from the nearest two humans, and
| completely cut off from radio contact with anyone.
| croisillon wrote:
| ah wow that's a feat, thanks for your answer!
| cerebrum01 wrote:
| The feeling of being on the dark side, with no radio contact
| must be something quite special
| defrost wrote:
| It is.
|
| Zero light pollution, no radio transmission devices,
| fantastic night skys with stunning views of the milky way.
|
| https://www.lightpollutionmap.info/#zoom=10.00&lat=-26.70316.
| ..
|
| https://www.atnf.csiro.au/projects/askap/ARQZWA.html
| AlbertCory wrote:
| There was a place for rent on AirBnb _in California_ which claims
| to be 7 miles from anything.
| samtho wrote:
| There is a lot of federally owned land especially in the
| mountains. If you managed to hold on to a plot that is
| surrounded by USFS managed forest, that's entirely plausible.
| renewiltord wrote:
| From another human is hard, but I've been on a couple of solo
| hikes. Overall, the feeling of isolation hits for me at frequency
| of human detection rather than distance, i.e. when I can see no
| human and nothing built with human hands for a while. Volcanic
| craters on rainy days are a good place since you can see all
| around you and it's wilderness so you can get a good idea that no
| one's in the crater with you and the jungle obscures the rest.
|
| Especially now, with my girlfriend I think in the last year I
| have not been more than 100 m from the nearest human. Maybe
| riding my bike back from SF's business district, but those have
| security guards in them, so realistically 20 m.
| hackernj wrote:
| This guy was at least 400 km from anyone else while alone on the
| ISS: https://www.insidehook.com/article/science/nasa-chris-
| cassid...
| KineticLensman wrote:
| > This guy was at least 400 km from anyone else
|
| Well, apart from the two Russian cosmonauts also on board. He
| was the sole American, not the sole human. Cassidy, however was
| part of the largest group in space, 13 people, when a Shuttle
| with 7 crew joined the 6-person ISS Expedition 20.
|
| [Edit] The astronauts who have been genuinely alone and far
| from the rest of humanity were the Apollo command module pilots
| who stayed in lunar orbit while the other two crew descended to
| the surface.
| [deleted]
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