[HN Gopher] When did Alan Partridge first appear on television?
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       When did Alan Partridge first appear on television?
        
       Author : apophatic
       Score  : 210 points
       Date   : 2023-07-08 06:07 UTC (16 hours ago)
        
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       | InCityDreams wrote:
       | Twat!
        
       | shaftoe444 wrote:
       | Lovely stuff.
        
         | Lyngbakr wrote:
         | Not my words, Michael. The words of Shakin' Stevens.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | lisper wrote:
       | Could someone please explain to me why one would care about this
       | character in particular?
        
         | mdp2021 wrote:
         | Especially when we could care for Peter O'Hanrara-hanraran
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnS07NS8110
        
           | mattbee wrote:
           | This DVD extra turned into his hands-down best sketch (and
           | probably the best intro to puzzled Americans) - Peter
           | O'Hanrara-hanraran, live on the scene at 9/11 :
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SPWgodul_E
        
             | qingcharles wrote:
             | Thank you - I don't think I'd ever heard this one before.
        
             | mdp2021 wrote:
             | Yes, it is embedded in the above posted: German Finance
             | minister; Minister for Ships; General Motors; World Trade
             | Center.
        
               | [deleted]
        
           | tetris11 wrote:
           | ```Ich nichten lichten'' = I don't like it, but I'll have to
           | go along with it
           | 
           | Famous Valid German Phrase
        
             | mattkevan wrote:
             | Peter, you've lost the news!
        
               | mattbee wrote:
               | These are both regular phrases in my house.
        
               | mattkevan wrote:
               | The Chris Morris phrase I find myself using regularly, or
               | at least thinking, is "You're WRONG and you're a
               | GROTESQUELY ugly freak."
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QPJoRWz8Sc
               | 
               | Edit: Not you, obviously. Whoever was being wrong at that
               | particular moment.
        
               | mdp2021 wrote:
               | Including the best part, "Peter, next time you cross the
               | road, don't bother looking"?
        
               | mattbee wrote:
               | I mean I've not used it but it's definitely there and
               | ready.
        
         | MrScruff wrote:
         | If you're British and of a certain age, then Alan Partridge the
         | character encompasses a significant aspect of Britishness, and
         | has a particular cultural resonance as a result.
        
           | mr_sturd wrote:
           | As a Farage-esque caricature to laugh at.
        
         | arrowsmith wrote:
         | He was popular on British TV in the 90s.
        
         | lvturner wrote:
         | This is how us Brits feel when some "random" information about
         | a 90s American character hits the front page.
        
           | InCityDreams wrote:
           | Reagan?
        
           | mattbee wrote:
           | This place is ours until about 11.30, we should make more of
           | that.
        
         | KnobbleMcKnees wrote:
         | Because after 30 years he's still able to get a second series
        
         | mellosouls wrote:
         | British cultural icon as important as other (more
         | internationally famous?) British comedic characters such as
         | Blackadder, Basil Fawlty and David Brent.
        
       | henrik_w wrote:
       | On the subject of Alan Partridge, I highly recommend the two
       | books, "I, Partridge" and "Nomad".
       | 
       | This is my Goodreads-review of Nomad:
       | 
       | This is one of the funniest books I have read. I just love the
       | Alan Partridge character, with all his insecurities and petty
       | attempts to show off. I read the first book, I Partridge, and
       | this is even better. In Nomad, Alan tells the story of his walk
       | to honour his father - he will walk from Norwich to the Dungeness
       | Nuclear Power Station. Not only is the book packed with hilarious
       | episodes, the writing is also fabulously bad - full of examples
       | like "the wind whistling through my hair like a wind whistle".
       | Highly recommended.
        
         | rorads wrote:
         | I genuinely feel that these two books, and the audiobooks even
         | more so, are full blown genius.
         | 
         | The character has been steeping in his own mythology and
         | metatext for decades, and these books use that to such a
         | wonderful effect. I think they hold up as amazing comedy in
         | their own right, but having the character describe events we've
         | seen in previous formats but through a warped narrative is a
         | wonderful and uncommon device, and the intentional bad writing
         | is so joyous.
        
         | InCityDreams wrote:
         | Both are available on you tube, narrated by coogan. My us
         | friends don't understand either.
        
         | stevekemp wrote:
         | I, Partridge had some outstanding footnotes, and from memory it
         | also had a playlist at the back with notes to play specific
         | tracks at particular chapters/moments.
         | 
         | Alan Partridge is very underrated, and I'm surprised that so
         | many here have heard of him - although hacker news has a large
         | UK presence his shows are not those that have been exported
         | widely to the best of my knowledge.
         | 
         | There's just something so British about that kind of character,
         | where you're half laughing with him (1) and half laughing at
         | how blissfully unaware and cringey he is. (Much like David
         | Brent in the UK/original "The Office", although there's a long
         | history of that style of character)
         | 
         | I actually paid for a Partridge-tribute to sing a happy-
         | birthday song for my (Finnish) wife, on Cameo. We were both
         | very impressed at how well his message was 100% in-character
         | for the real AP.
         | 
         | 1: Needless to say I had the last laugh.
        
       | throwaway743 wrote:
       | Oh damn, I just assumed it started with Knowing Me, Knowing You
        
       | aaron695 wrote:
       | A great example why the semantic web is total bullshit and for
       | the loons.
       | 
       | Alan Partridge: First appearance on TV?
       | 
       | The most basic things are impossible.
       | 
       | It's why examples of semantic networks start with birth
       | certificates, the most basic thing society measures that's taken
       | 100's of years to get a system for.
       | 
       | Which of course are no longer considered sources of truth as the
       | West has become even more abstract. And anyone who's lived in
       | developing nations knows accurate DOBs were always for the rich.
        
         | chx wrote:
         | Are you OK?
        
           | aaron695 wrote:
           | [dead]
        
       | edent wrote:
       | The best thing about the Dirty Feed blog is that it shows just
       | how _fragile_ history is.
       | 
       | We're talking about stuff that happened in the last few decades -
       | and yet people's recollections are faulty, the documentation is
       | inconsistent, and the contemporary commentary is already wrong.
       | 
       | Now extrapolate that back a hundred years. What conventionally
       | accepted history is wrong? What cause and effects have been mixed
       | up?
       | 
       | Popular culture isn't always well researched - and John shows
       | just how difficult it is.
        
       | I_am_tiberius wrote:
       | Oh man. I think the second guy in the first embedded video is
       | Denholm Reynholm from The IT Crowed.
        
         | UncleSlacky wrote:
         | Yes, Chris Morris played Denholm.
        
           | andywaite wrote:
           | And he appeared in an Alan Partridge episode:
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxSbTlH0K4w
        
       | jwmoz wrote:
       | DAN
        
       | bryanmgreen wrote:
       | This is a very Partridge-esque look at its history.
       | 
       | If anyone is a Coogan fan, I highly recommend seeking out The
       | Trip. And not the terrible movie version, but the actual full
       | series. Season 1 is such a brilliant piece of television.
        
         | BLKNSLVR wrote:
         | I didn't know it was anything but the series of movies - which
         | I enjoyed.
         | 
         | I'll check out the series, thanks for the heads up!
        
         | TradingPlaces wrote:
         | I will watch anything with Coogan and Brydon. Also Tristram
         | Shandy
        
       | rojeee wrote:
       | Did not expect to see Alan Partridge on hacker news. I'm Alan
       | partridge was hilarious!
       | 
       | "Jet from Gladiators to host a millennium barn dance at Yeovil
       | aerodrome. Properly policed. It must not, I repeat not, turn into
       | an all-night rave."
        
         | BLKNSLVR wrote:
         | Same. It's like two normally distinctly compartmentalized parts
         | of my personality accidentally got mixed up.
         | 
         | "you're a mentalist!"
        
         | throwaway743 wrote:
         | "Oh btw, there are some strobe effects in this, so please, any
         | epileptics get out now. Statistically one of you is, and two of
         | you are gay. Btw guys, if you are gay, please remember, rubber
         | up."
        
       | ggm wrote:
       | Coogan is best now in roles like "philomena", or "24 hour party
       | people". "The trip" is good but he is (over) playing a version of
       | his public self which gets a bit forced.
        
         | foobar1962 wrote:
         | He's also in Tropic Thunder.
        
       | bmitc wrote:
       | The movie _Alan Partridge: Alpha Papa_ is absolutely hilarious. I
       | 've rewatched it several times, and I originally went into it
       | never having heard of Alan Partridge and only barely of Steve
       | Coogan. The trailers don't capture it all. "Trust me, Susan." is
       | probably the greatest line ever in the midst of a shootout.
       | 
       | I was properly introduced to Steve Coogan and also Rob Bryden
       | through their movie _The Trip_.
       | 
       | Some B roll impressions from _The Trip_ and maybe the follow-up
       | movie(s): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB3eSud1_Cs
       | 
       | Michael Caine impressions by them:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFIQIpC5_wY
       | 
       | Even more impressions from them and probably shows their breadth
       | the best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWJTcblS4KI
        
         | davv wrote:
         | Your fog lights are on!
        
         | globular-toast wrote:
         | I was expecting _Ali G in da House_ but it was much better. Of
         | course I did laugh a lot at the former when I was a teenager,
         | though.
        
           | permo-w wrote:
           | it's a crying shame that for a large part of a recent
           | generation, Ali G in da House is their only real awareness of
           | Ali G. it's like knowing Ali G solely through the intros and
           | interludes from Da Ali G Show
        
         | namdnay wrote:
         | Alpha Papa was good fun, but for some reason it didn't feel
         | like classic Alan Partridge. The humour was slightly different
         | ?
        
         | hansjorg wrote:
         | The Trip is amazing.
         | 
         | That B roll cut is actually from the original TV series which
         | is much longer than the movie. If you enjoyed the movie you'll
         | love the series.
        
         | KineticLensman wrote:
         | > Steve Coogan and also Rob Bryden
         | 
         | "Gentlemen! We ride at dawn! Or perhaps at about 8-ish"
         | 
         | I still use this line whenever I can, e.g. when staying with
         | friends and planning the next morning.
        
           | BLKNSLVR wrote:
           | Well off topic, but my favourite line from the movie Flushed
           | Away:
           | 
           | (all in a French accent)
           | 
           | "We leave immediately!"
           | 
           | "What about dinner?"
           | 
           | "We leave... in five hours!"
        
       | lvturner wrote:
       | Top shelf!
        
         | BLKNSLVR wrote:
         | Back of the net!
        
       | thrdbndndn wrote:
       | > In his book Disgusting Bliss: The Brass Eye of Chris Morris,
       | Lucian Randall says that the pilot of The Day Today was
       | "completed in January 1993". I can independently verify this; the
       | VT clock for that pilot is dated 29th January 1993. So the pilot
       | for The Day Today was shot in either December 1992 or January
       | 1993. Which gives us a rough date for this particular limbo
       | incarnation of Partridge.
       | 
       | Where does "December 1992" come from in this sentence? Is there a
       | specific reason why it couldn't be October or November 1992?
       | 
       | (I mean, maybe it's just common sense that a programme wouldn't
       | take that long to shoot, but I feel like the author is more
       | confident than that given the rigorousness displayed throughout
       | the rest of the article.)
        
         | radiowave wrote:
         | My guess would be the common sense angle, within the context
         | that when someone commissions you to make a pilot, _you get it
         | done_ , because in part, you're trying to demonstrate that
         | you're ready to do the thing for real.
        
       | qingcharles wrote:
       | If you like Chris Morris material I can highly, _highly_ ,
       | recommend Nathan Barley which was ahead of its time:
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqfkuc5mawg
       | 
       | Sad that his web site is now offline... www.trashbat.co.ck
        
         | frereubu wrote:
         | I was in a digital agency during the first dotcom era, and
         | TVGoHome was one of the thing that kept me sane. Such a shame
         | it took so long for the TV version of Nathan Barley to arrive -
         | felt like it missed the moment somehow.
        
           | qingcharles wrote:
           | TVGoHome! Great site. Charlie Brooker is another comedy
           | genius. When I ran my TV torrent site we got hold of some
           | pre-release shows of Charlie's from someone at the BBC and
           | the second they were posted he sent me a really lovely email
           | asking if I would take them down until after they were
           | broadcast. Who am I to argue with a God?
        
       | dayofthedaleks wrote:
       | Saxondale is the better character/bit.
        
       | jameshart wrote:
       | I would have assumed it was on a _Look East_ segment in about
       | 1983 about a young boy who had made his own TV studio at home in
       | Norwich.
       | 
       | Actually he was probably one of the presenters on the East Anglia
       | week of _Why Don't You (Just Switch off your TV and Go and Do
       | Something Less Boring Instead)_
        
       | raffraffraff wrote:
       | Best thing Coogan ever did was a little known animation called "I
       | am not an animal". Many of the jokes are British pop culture
       | references, but it's still sooo funny. And edgy. There's no way
       | in hell it would get past today's sensitivity panel at the BBC.
       | In fact I'm amazed it got on the TV at all.
        
       | gybon wrote:
       | When did Alan Partridge last appear on television? Is the
       | character still active?
        
         | gizajob wrote:
         | I feel like the writing of the character isn't what it used to
         | be
        
         | hnlmorg wrote:
         | Very much still active. Steve Coogan still does tours as Alan
         | Partridge and there's a gig from (iirc) this year available on
         | Netflix called Stratagem.
         | 
         | In my opinion the most of the Partridge stuff since I'm Alan
         | Partridge has been pretty poor. The one exception being the
         | movie Alpha Pappa. But hardcore Partridge fans might still
         | enjoy Stratagem.
        
           | tomduncalf wrote:
           | Agreed, actually I thought the movie was a bit weak too.
           | Feels a bit like he's playing a dumbed down caricature of the
           | old AP... although the Mid Morning Matters series was pretty
           | funny, maybe more because of the supporting characters
        
           | Philip-J-Fry wrote:
           | The podcast thing is pretty good. From the oasthouse.
        
           | mr_sturd wrote:
           | The books were good; especially _I, Partridge_. I thought
           | Alpha Papa was missing some of the tragic magic which was
           | present in _I 'm Alan Partridge_.
        
           | KnobbleMcKnees wrote:
           | I found it had to get into This Time until I watched Welcome
           | to the Places of my Life which is end-to-end hilarity.
           | 
           | I'm now fairly convinced that This Time is the greatest
           | version of Partridge. It's his equivalent of "Diamond are
           | Forever" (and no, he's not showing off!)
        
           | padjo wrote:
           | The original Mid morning matters was also pretty good. Tim
           | Key is such a breath of fresh air in it and the constrained
           | format is fun.
        
       | hnlmorg wrote:
       | The Day Today was such a classic show. It often gets overlooked
       | because of how iconic Brass Eye was but Brass Eye wouldn't have
       | existed if it wasn't for Day Today and the former show is every
       | bit as good as its predecessor.
       | 
       | I also quite enjoyed Time Trumpet. It's a completely different
       | show with different writers and comedians but follows a similar
       | format.
        
         | helsinkiandrew wrote:
         | WAR! is one of my favorite scenes - and seems to sum up a lot
         | of todays 24 hour news.
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BO6GP9NMY&t=4s
        
           | switch007 wrote:
           | I always lose it when they switch to the reporter on the
           | ground lol
        
             | helsinkiandrew wrote:
             | The stretched twig of peace is at melting point. People
             | here are literally bursting with war.
        
         | qingcharles wrote:
         | The number of times I was kicked off IRC in 1993 for posting
         | The Day Today memes is very high.
         | 
         | IMO, probably the most under-rated show of all time.
         | 
         | "CRAZED WOLVES IN STORE A BAD MISTAKE ADMIT MOTHERCARE"
        
         | longwave wrote:
         | Armando Iannucci is the link here; he produced and wrote for
         | The Day Today, all the Alan Partridge shows, and also Time
         | Trumpet.
        
           | davv wrote:
           | Yeah, he also wrote The Thick of It which is probably the
           | best comedy series I've ever seen. Another writer on that was
           | Jesse Armstrong of Succession fame.
        
             | longwave wrote:
             | Jesse Armstrong also co-wrote Four Lions and Peep Show,
             | amongst others. It's amazing how a very small group of
             | people can have such an influence on a vast amount of
             | cultural output.
        
               | hnlmorg wrote:
               | It's also worth adding Charlie Brooker to that list of
               | cultural icons too. Someone who has not only worked with
               | Chris Moris, but also has an exceptional repertoire of
               | his own as well.
        
               | permo-w wrote:
               | he was also an executive consultant on the tv show
               | version of What We Do In The Shadows, which for a few
               | years was the best comedy show on tv imo. The Jesse
               | Armstrong, Armando Ianucci, Chris Morris, Charlie Brooker
               | Channel Four-some has a lot to answer for (although most
               | of Ianucci's work is BBC produced). I think the only
               | other writing comedian of that generation I respect as
               | much is Sacha Baron Cohen, although his work is slightly
               | different
        
           | andywaite wrote:
           | Also Veep, a huge success in the US.
        
           | rwmj wrote:
           | Time Trumpet is enormously underrated. Some of the special
           | effects were done by Ben Wheatley (now a movie director).
           | (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0840965)
        
           | kiksy wrote:
           | Armando Iannuccis back catalogue is so vast. He's done so so
           | much stuff over the last 30 odd years and so much of it is
           | top tier. Yet few people would recognise the name. He's
           | talented on so many levels. If anyone hasn't I'd highly
           | recommend the 'Armando Iannucci Shows'.
        
             | mattkevan wrote:
             | Love that show - profound, absurd and deeply silly all at
             | once.
             | 
             | Absolute favourite sketch is the 'East End Thug' with Alan
             | Ford from Snatch.
             | 
             | https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=49nKWoTgouQ&pp=ygUdZWFzdCBlbm
             | Q...
        
             | mdp2021 wrote:
             | > _I 'd highly recommend_
             | 
             | Oh, one of the best ever pieces of radio was
             | 
             |  _Armando Iannucci 's Charm Offensive_
             | 
             | It's horrible that only 24 episodes have been produced. It
             | should still be running today.
        
       | mocko wrote:
       | Slightly offtopic but anyone with a dark sense of humour would do
       | well to check out Chris Morris's stuff - I get a feeling most
       | younger Brits haven't heard of it. Day Today and Brass Eye, both
       | still funny, are wonderful time capsules satirising Britain as it
       | was thirty years ago.
       | 
       | But IMO his finest work was Blue Jam - the radio comedy not the
       | TV incarnation, hour-long episodes of low-key music and surreal
       | sketches. Absolutely brilliant even today. Archive.org has a copy
       | at https://archive.org/details/chrismorris_bluejam. Best enjoyed
       | late at night.
       | 
       | Trigger warning: basically everything. The BBC would never get
       | away with broadcasting it now.
        
         | gsinclair wrote:
         | Sounds awesome. Thanks so much!
        
         | mhh__ wrote:
         | I don't think it's a coincidence that both of Chris Morris's
         | parents are doctors.
        
         | ealexhudson wrote:
         | BBC probably wouldn't broadcast Blue Jam today, but only
         | because it would get such limited audience. It's niche and of
         | its time.
         | 
         | Similar shows today would include the Skewer, and to be honest
         | I would rank that as more legally dangerous to run, it skirts
         | libel laws much more closely.
        
         | mjhay wrote:
         | In a similar and even darker vein, the animated sketch show
         | Monkey Dust is also fantastic.
        
         | mdp2021 wrote:
         | And the movies: _Four Lions_ ; _The Day Shall Come_.
         | 
         | And especially the relevant interviews: the movies are the
         | artistic depictions, but the real world facts that made it
         | important to produce them - the rationale and the exposition of
         | salient research material that became the movie - are explained
         | by Chris Morris in talks.
        
           | cm2187 wrote:
           | I never knew what to think of Four Lions. It's a hugely
           | politically charged topic (suicide bombers, islamist
           | terrorism, particularly perpetrated by UK
           | residents/nationals). I watched it 10 years ago so perhaps I
           | misremember it, but it didn't feel to me that the movie had
           | any particular political agenda, it was just making fun of a
           | band of clumsy terrorists.
        
             | hnhg wrote:
             | It was also written about complex cultural issues in ethnic
             | minorities by people who weren't from those minorities. I
             | am a big fan of Morris, but there is something inauthentic
             | (edit: I originally wrote "slightly patronising" but I
             | think the film was made in very good faith) about that.
             | Also there are no shortage of voices from those communities
             | represented, so why should it be left to a bunch of people
             | removed from them to tell their story?
        
               | actionfromafar wrote:
               | A good story can always use more writers, amirite?
        
             | mdp2021 wrote:
             | Nobody is talking about a <<political agenda>> - art as a
             | lucid portrait exposing salient traits is not involved in
             | that -, and it was not simply <<making fun>>.
             | 
             | The very fact that you write <<a band of>> suggests you are
             | not seeing the universality of the depicted. It is not like
             | the long dream in Mulholland Drive, that changes and
             | deforms a reality: it is meant to be a _description_
             | through a satirical lens. And it 's not "wacky break": it's
             | "Wackyland".
             | 
             | The right-winged that converts himself after studying the
             | texts of the opponents with the original intent of
             | deprecating them; the special radicalism of the converted
             | "local"; the actual nature of the largely misunderstood
             | special culture hosted in the alien lands; the tone based
             | on constant references to actual events (those who hid
             | weapons in a park and found them stolen; those who hid them
             | in a playground and found the children playing with them;
             | those who filled a boat with them and it sank...); the
             | social and internal states, flow and dynamics of the
             | involved... The causal relation leading to the "necessary
             | conclusions". All of this is a portrait - an analysis.
             | 
             | And statements such as "I have hit them, so they must be
             | the bad ones" are fed to the police - not the protagonists.
             | <<Clumsy>> who? And the interrogator in the "extra-
             | territorial" container, that seems to be imported directly
             | from Joel and Ethan Cohen - <<clumsy>> who? No, not just
             | "the protagonists".
             | 
             | Maybe, as suggested, you could check a few of the
             | interviews that Chris Morris gave.
        
             | frereubu wrote:
             | I thought of it as satirising the picture painted by the
             | security services of terrorist groups as Mission
             | Impossible-type bad guys who were amazingly organised and
             | professional, so they needed loads of money for counter
             | terrorism. Don't get me wrong, I do value (some of) the
             | work of the security services, but I think this kind of
             | portrayal too easily allows people to ignore the fact that
             | "terrorists" are often just directionless people drawn into
             | that kind of world almost by accident. The Day Shall Come,
             | released nine years later, expands on that idea.
        
               | cm2187 wrote:
               | I am not sure you can get that message from the movie. In
               | the end it does show them as dangerous, murdurous
               | criminals. It doesn't take a PhD or lots of means to kill
               | a large number of people. Which is also the difficult
               | challenge posed to those security services.
        
               | frereubu wrote:
               | I didn't (intentionally) say they didn't end up as
               | dangerous, murderous criminals. I said that they were
               | directionless people - they weren't criminal masterminds
               | in a glamorous world of high-tech equiment and fast cars,
               | they were tragic characters who got sucked into a farcial
               | which saw someone blow themselves up in a shopping
               | precinct while dressed as a chicken. It's a fundamentally
               | humanising film which hints at the reasons people join
               | those kinds of organisations, which are much less high-
               | tech and organised than the security services
               | (intentionally or otherwise) paint them as.
        
             | phpnode wrote:
             | The key point that Four Lions makes is that the terrorists
             | are _not_ the highly devoted, strict followers of Islam
             | that they claim to be. They are bored, directionless clowns
             | and the devout want nothing to do with them. This is
             | highlighted in the ringleader Omar 's relationship with his
             | brother - Omar and his wife tease and mock his brother for
             | his strict adherence to Islamic customs. The devout brother
             | tries to persuade Omar to abandon his terrorist plans, but
             | is later targeted by the security services because they too
             | assume that it's the strict, devout muslims that are behind
             | it all.
        
               | netsharc wrote:
               | A sort of "favorite" of mine is this speech by an
               | anthropologist about muslim extremists.. indeed you can
               | apply it to white supremacist terrorists too, they join
               | up to the cause for a feeling of belonging and purpose:
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbirlSA-dc
        
               | mdp2021 wrote:
               | Not _the_ key point, I would say, but an important point.
               | 
               | It returns to OP's missing that the movie may have <<any
               | particular political agenda>>:
               | 
               | there is a political point, which is "outcasts in search
               | of an identity conflictually with their environment may
               | have a political agenda, which causes a political
               | problem". Disregarding such problem implies potential
               | tragedy.
               | 
               | Edit (wrote in a rush): hence, that if there is a risk,
               | quite worth of assessment, you'd better see things
               | flatly, for what they are.
        
             | amiga386 wrote:
             | It picks up a political agenda near the end when it shows
             | the authorities to be clueless, and suspecting entirely the
             | wrong people, but more generally the film has political
             | origins.
             | 
             | When 7/7 happened, we saw the CCTV footage; Yorkshiremen
             | getting on a train at Luton. Three of the four bombers were
             | from Leeds, they were born in the UK, what on earth
             | possessed them to go to London and try blowing it up?
             | Fanciful notions of being a mujahideen? Some disconnect of
             | belonging to the UK when they were clearly brought up fully
             | within it?
             | 
             | I'm pretty sure Morris said he made the film to answer that
             | question.
             | 
             | Monkey Dust series 2 (broadcast 2003, two years prior to
             | the attack) had a similar examination with its Abdul and
             | Shafiq sketches. Their friend Omar preaching to them about
             | jihad but their lives mainly revolving around what's on
             | telly and their mum feeding them turkey twizzlers.
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhxQT1d1AvE
        
               | foldr wrote:
               | And of course, even Omar isn't very keen on doing any of
               | the jihad stuff _himself_.
        
         | louthy wrote:
         | Blue Jam is amazing, but it was the TV version of it: Jam, that
         | really blew me away. Dark as anything, surreal, challenging,
         | spectacular use of language, amazing use of music, and video
         | editing techniques ... incredible.
         | 
         | I remember when it was originally aired, it would be on around
         | 10pm. Then repeated around 4am, but with the visuals just
         | bouncing around inside a small square (like a 'Pong' ball).
         | Each episode they would mess with the visuals in a different
         | way. Definitely will never see anything like that on Tv again.
         | 
         | Probably my favourite sketch (which is also on Blue Jam) [1],
         | but there are so many [2][3][4][5]. Even the intros [6] were
         | disturbing, and set you up for what was coming in the next 30
         | minutes.
         | 
         | [1] https://youtu.be/5SqHtWudI24 - 'Suicide with an escape
         | clause'
         | 
         | [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGex0kLgNok - 'Thick People
         | as a Service'
         | 
         | [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKxM4ToLLR8 - 'Symptomless
         | Coma'
         | 
         | [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhKla4MEstY - 'Living
         | Outside'
         | 
         | [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krsj2bcnRlM - 'Lizards'
         | 
         | [6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-i0XIux9vo - Intro
         | compilation
        
           | gizajob wrote:
           | You forgot "baby plumber" - I sent this to Americans a few
           | times and they couldn't even compute it as comedy
        
             | mattbee wrote:
             | Here's a great parody of Jam by Adam and Joe. I enjoyed Jam
             | but when it misfired this was exactly how ridiculous it
             | came across - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0t0Ocau-CUg
        
               | lampington wrote:
               | That was brilliant! Thank you for sharing it.
        
             | louthy wrote:
             | I didn't forget, I thought that might be a step too far for
             | HN ;)
        
           | mattkevan wrote:
           | My housemates and I used to do Jam nights where we'd binge
           | the whole series in one sitting, usually the Jaaaam version
           | that was even more woozy and disorienting.
           | 
           | Ended up in some very strange headspaces at about 2am.
        
           | lordfrito wrote:
           | Wow some seriously strange/funny/interesting stuff... Laughed
           | my ass off at "Thick People as a Service"
           | 
           | American here. Reminds me heavily of Monty Python. I didn't
           | realize there were other shows in such a similar vein. Will
           | def checkout Jam / Blue Jam. Can you recommend any other
           | shows I might not be aware of?
        
             | cal85 wrote:
             | Look Around You [0] is little known even in the UK, but I
             | think a lot of HN readers might love it. It's a surreal but
             | perfectly observed parody of the 80s/90s educational videos
             | we used to watch in school science classes.
             | 
             | [0] Episode 1: Calcium
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBaVwwuErmU
        
               | amiga386 wrote:
               | Thanks, ants.
               | 
               | Thants.
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaI6kBVyu00
        
               | notahacker wrote:
               | I'm feeling nostalgic just over the clock at the
               | beginning!
        
               | louthy wrote:
               | The series of 'Look Around You' that is a pastiche of
               | 'Tomorrows World' is amazing. The 'Music 2000' episode is
               | my favourite [1].
               | 
               | This is an example of the original 80s TV show it was
               | doing the pastiche of [2]
               | 
               | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2myFLUDB74
               | 
               | [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0dn0lcvWkY
        
             | Joeboy wrote:
             | It's a fair bit less dark, but you could give Big Train a
             | go.
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rEBtpWQ7x8
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8ofz1OnlNI
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtllWIiOTuA
             | 
             | Edit: The League of Gentlemen
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wB0OkcCps8
        
               | rwmj wrote:
               | You missed the classic:
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKH9ECC_Qa4 (apparently
               | not intended as an analogy for smoking, although it does
               | work for that).
        
               | mdp2021 wrote:
               | _Big Train_ : directed by Graham Linehan - _Father Ted_ ,
               | _Black Books_ , _The IT Crowd_...
               | 
               | (And the guard of the hospital in Darth Marenghi's
               | Darkplace.)
        
               | louthy wrote:
               | Love Big Train, some seriously good sketches. Here's some
               | more of my favourites (outside of the ones you've already
               | mentioned).
               | 
               | Unfortunately my favourite sketch, 'Cake Factory', isn't
               | on Youtube any more. That was where I first realised how
               | brilliant Simon Pegg was as a comedy actor.
               | 
               | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAqR-Hs9II - Join
               | the Army
               | 
               | [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxUm-2x-2dM - Do You
               | Speak English?
               | 
               | [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyj5cv5FPWA - Eagle
               | Line Super Train
               | 
               | [4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxiOfepOxe8 - Evil
               | Hypnotist
               | 
               | [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIIAQME1Uhg - Jockeys
               | in the Wild
               | 
               | [6] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GmmAUbfhMU -
               | Champion sprinter
               | 
               | [7] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKRBYGhqI8Y - On Call
               | Surgeon
               | 
               | [8] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMh9CDNQhBg - Office
               | Politics: Jesus vs Devil
        
               | Joeboy wrote:
               | Cake Factory was indeed a great sketch!
        
             | mattkevan wrote:
             | I'd recommend anything by Julia Davis, who was in the
             | 'thick people' sketch. Her comedies are pitch black and
             | very good, including Nighty Night and Hunderby.
             | 
             | For a sketch show I'd recommend Big Train - it went
             | slightly under the radar, but has an absolutely incredible
             | lineup of talent.
        
               | Joeboy wrote:
               | I love her Dear Joan and Jericha podcast, where she and
               | Vicki Pepperdine play wildly inappropriate agony aunts.
        
             | tudorw wrote:
             | https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/ might be a good
             | place to start rummaging...
        
             | mdp2021 wrote:
             | > _Can you recommend any other shows I might not be aware
             | of?_
             | 
             | Really, too many.
             | 
             | Other genius-level of strangeness? _The Mighty Boosh_ , by
             | Julian Barratt and Noel Fielding (radio, TV, theater). -
             | Radio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OZN1zyS7gY&list=PLf
             | lSnz9gSh... ; also live shows are on YT. The core are the
             | TV series though.
             | 
             | Logical genius to the extreme, madness revealing? _People
             | Like Us_ , by John Morton (arguably the best thing ever
             | made for the radio). - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjZ4
             | mBz5Qcc&list=PLJPeS4Ugqq...
        
             | frereubu wrote:
             | One that I absolutely loved, but which rarely comes up, is
             | Mr Don & Mr George by two Scottish comedians Moray Hunter
             | and Jack Docherty. I think there was only one series, but
             | it has a beautifully gentle, slightly surreal, slightly
             | slapstick humour.
             | 
             | Edit: And for a much more brutal sense of humour, I don't
             | think any political comedy has bettered The Thick Of It.
        
               | amiga386 wrote:
               | > Mr Don & Mr George
               | 
               | It was very funny, but also a spin-off to _Absolutely!_ ,
               | which itself was a great series - 4 series! - with lots
               | of funny characters:
               | 
               | * Calum Gilhooley, the most boring man in the world:
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebG3ZE4Ugqs
               | 
               | * McGlashan, the Scottish nationalist and anglophobe:
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND-SVKrvCxs
               | 
               | * Denzil and Gwenned:
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw7tQOyfwyk
               | 
               | * Stoneybridge Town Council:
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njiH4i4Kkf0
               | 
               | * The Little Girl:
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGNc9VOipw0
               | 
               | They were Edinburgh's answer to Glasgow's _Naked Video_
               | (Gregor Fisher, Elaine C. Smith, Andy Gray, Helen
               | Lederer, etc.) although the welsh John Sparkes was in
               | both, and had is own spin-off series, _Barry Welsh is
               | Coming_
        
               | olddustytrail wrote:
               | I recommended Still Game to an American colleague and he
               | found it hilarious even though I thought it would be a
               | bit crude at times for an older gentleman. I guess the
               | fact they're pensioners themselves softens the humour a
               | bit.
        
               | frereubu wrote:
               | Maybe you should him on try Rab C Nesbitt next :)
        
         | algesten wrote:
         | I love the TV show also. It's just so surreal and dark.
        
           | tetris11 wrote:
           | I like to human think that _Garth Marenghi 's Darkplace_ is a
           | spiritual successor of sorts.
        
             | thebruce87m wrote:
             | > The cabin crew suggested we all go out and club it. I had
             | no option. It was that or one of their B&Bs. I figured it'd
             | be safer on the streets. For the first time ever I saw the
             | Scotch in their natural habitat, and it weren't pretty. I'd
             | seen them huddling in stations before, being loud but...
             | this time I was surrounded. Everywhere I went it felt like
             | they were watching me; fish-white flesh puckered by the
             | Highland breeze; tight eyes peering out for fresh meat;
             | screechy, booze-soaked voices hollering out for a taxi to
             | take 'em halfway up the road to the next all-night watering
             | hole. A shatter of glass; a round of applause; a sixteen-
             | year-old mother of three vomiting in an open sewer, bairns
             | looking on, chewing on potato cakes. I ain't never going
             | back... not never.
        
               | zeristor wrote:
               | Is that you watching the YouTube video?
               | 
               | https://youtu.be/T8wIgQB9GIA
        
               | thebruce87m wrote:
               | Yes, lived in Glasgow for 10 years so it's one of my
               | favourites.
        
             | thom wrote:
             | Perhaps moreso Monkey Dust?
        
               | ndsipa_pomu wrote:
               | I'm a big fan of Monkey Dust, but due to legal
               | complications with the music copyrights, they were only
               | able to release the first season on DVD. Pirating is the
               | only way too watch seasons 2 and 3.
        
           | gybon wrote:
           | Some brilliant sketches in there.
           | 
           | One of my favourites is the man who attends his own funeral:
           | https://youtube.com/watch?v=HhBkC6B9I2U
        
             | algesten wrote:
             | My favorite is the detached upperclass parents who didn't
             | notice their child not coming home from school:
             | https://youtu.be/sydPKgC_Or4?t=1137
        
         | GordonS wrote:
         | I remember staying up late as a kid, so I could listen to Blue
         | Jam! Such amazing sounds! I seem to recall it was annoyingly
         | late tho, like 2am or such.
        
         | mellosouls wrote:
         | We should also remember On The Hour, the original radio
         | precursor to The Day Today, though I think the TV series is
         | more important.
         | 
         | My own favourite Chris Morris production is probably his Radio
         | 1 series with the painfully embarrassing improvised tasks he'd
         | set his hapless roving man on the scene.
         | 
         | I think that was also the one that got him temporarily banned
         | from the Beeb for implying - but not outright stating - that
         | Michael Heseltine (very senior British politician at the time)
         | had died from a heart attack.
         | 
         | Edit: Ah, here. Typically facetious interview with "close
         | personal friend, colleague and bass player of the Jam, Bruce
         | Foxton"
         | 
         | https://youtu.be/SiTEtJN2LdU
         | 
         | "hit the ground screaming",
         | 
         | "which of your bass lines would be a suitable sort of lament",
         | etc, etc
        
           | petepete wrote:
           | Chris Morris is still on form. Here's his speech from the LMC
           | Conference from a couple of months ago.
           | 
           | https://youtu.be/vECEz1E0HWg
        
           | inopinatus wrote:
           | Circling back to the OP, _On The Hour_ is the radio programme
           | for which the character of Alan Partridge was originally
           | developed in 1991.
        
           | AndrewOMartin wrote:
           | > "The Ukraine declared its own independent laws of physics.
           | Under the new legislation only natural-born Ukrainians were
           | granted the right to have density, speed was calculated to
           | equal boiling-point over height and friction was abolished,
           | which caused increased mortality around hills, but meant that
           | Ukrainians could glide over hundreds of miles with just one
           | push. Meanwhile in Kiev over three hundred protesters were
           | injured in gravity riots."
        
           | evere wrote:
           | Backed the full shows up here a few years ago if anyone is
           | interested.
           | 
           | https://archive.org/details/OnTheHour
           | 
           | The Chris Morris Music Show was another humorous radio show
           | he did in 1994.
           | 
           | https://archive.org/details/TheChrisMorrisMusicShow
        
             | raffraffraff wrote:
             | Oh, speaking of Radio shows, there was a hilarious spoof
             | call-in show on BBC Radio front 2006 to 2013. That's really
             | worth a listen.
             | 
             | https://archive.org/details/DownTheLineBBCRadio4
        
             | Cipater wrote:
             | Thank you.
        
         | rwmj wrote:
         | If you like Chris Morris, then you might also like Victor Lewis
         | Smith who had a similar sense of humour. (I'm not going to get
         | into an argument about whether one influenced the other. There
         | was apparently a bit of bad blood.) He (VLS) died recently and
         | the BBC did a retrospective:
         | https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001kgd2
        
           | mattl wrote:
           | https://archive.org/details/vls-archive seems to have a lot
           | of good stuff
        
         | afavour wrote:
         | The Suicide Journalist sketch has been rattling around my head
         | ever since I first heard it.
        
         | Bluecobra wrote:
         | Thanks for this, I never heard of Blue Jam but I do own the Jam
         | DVDs. I had to get a region free player to watch them.
        
         | harel wrote:
         | Blue Jam was so funny and horrific at the same time. I actually
         | liked the TV version of it. Good to hear it mentioned.
        
         | totetsu wrote:
         | The kind of thing they 'got away with' was cutting in shots of
         | black and brown people doing their cultural dances with shots
         | unrelated Brits with a laugh track backing.
        
           | joiqj wrote:
           | Sounds amusing.
        
           | Gordonjcp wrote:
           | [citation needed]
        
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