[HN Gopher] Red Hat's open source rot took root when IBM walked in
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Red Hat's open source rot took root when IBM walked in
Author : samizdis
Score : 45 points
Date : 2023-07-07 16:43 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| iruoy wrote:
| You should probably just use to Debian/Ubuntu or something if
| you're starting fresh.
|
| The future is unclear for the RHEL/CentOS clones
| m463 wrote:
| Ubuntu still has some problems. lots of (almost) uninstallable
| packages that auto-install updates, advertise (motd) and phone
| home.
| unethical_ban wrote:
| Why is SUSE so seldom talked about? I don't know much about the
| distro except it has been around a long time, has professional
| support, supposedly is popular in Europe, and isn't it an RPM
| distro?
|
| Is there any downside to its fully free spins?
| tmottabr wrote:
| Debian does not work as a replacement for RHEL for
| enterprises.. Only Ubuntu LTS is an option but it is not as
| good..
|
| First because enterprises need a company behind offering
| support contract.
|
| But more important, many enterprises are slow moving and
| unfortunately Debian lifecycle is not long enough for
| enterprises because of that..
|
| I have at least one customer that migrated from RHEL 6 into
| newer versions last year, RHEL 6 was released on 2011, regular
| support ended on 2021 and extended support goes until next
| year. So it is currently still supported under their extended
| support.
|
| The Debian version from 2011 was Debian 6 (Squeeze) that had an
| end of life in 2015, and long term support ended on 2016, it
| did not had extended LTS.
|
| Just on the lifecycle of RHEL 6 Debian released versions 6, 7,
| 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 and with exception of the last two, 11 and
| 12, all other versions already reached end of life,
| additionally version 6 to 9 reached end of LTS, and version 7
| reached end of ELTS, older versions did not had ELTS as far i
| could find.
|
| Is is also worth noting that Debian LTS and ELTS are not
| handled by Debian security team, so anything after end of life
| would be a solid no from most enterprises.
|
| Even Ubuntu is behind RedHat in this aspect, the oldest Ubuntu
| LTS release still supported by next year, when extended support
| for RHEL 6 will end, is Ubuntu 14.04 from 2014. Both Ubuntu
| 10.04 from 2010 and Ubuntu 12.04 from 2012, that is the last
| LTS release on or before 2011 and the following release,
| already reached end of life and support before RHEL 6 extended
| support ended.
|
| [0] - https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases [1] -
| https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
| dredmorbius wrote:
| Debian in fact has a partners programme:
| <https://www.debian.org/partners/>
|
| (And there are many more organisations and individuals who
| support the OS as well.)
|
| Otherwise, this harkens back to "nobody ever got fired for
| buying IBM", Microsoft's "Linux is Cancer" and their "Get the
| Facts" FUD campaign (See:
| <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3600724.stm>), and
| much spew from SCO against IBM during the former's lawsuit
| against the latter.
|
| The fact that Red Hat are now IBM and the Circle Has Closed
| is only all the more ironic.
|
| (Red Hat was in fact my own first Linux over a quarter
| century ago, though I switched to Debian shortly afterward
| after realising that the latter was far, farr, far easier to
| install and maintain, for reasons intrinsic to the Debian
| Project's orientation and both social and technical
| structure. Incentives are very curious things.)
| hotcoffeebear wrote:
| Doesn't Cannonical offers support for Ubuntu?
| lockhouse wrote:
| For the clones, maybe, but I think RHEL will be just fine.
|
| Nothing has really changed for the companies that pay for RHEL.
| They do so for a good reason.
| fatfingerd wrote:
| I think RHEL got to where it is by being a good choice for
| students that was similar to the most relevant UNIXes. More
| total users with UNIX like experience should have been good
| for the UNIXes but I wouldn't consider any of them healthy.
| JohnFen wrote:
| It's those sorts of users who should use Debian instead.
| grahamm wrote:
| Why am I not surprised.
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