[HN Gopher] DeltaTouch, a community created client for Ubuntu Touch
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       DeltaTouch, a community created client for Ubuntu Touch
        
       Author : nafnlj
       Score  : 36 points
       Date   : 2023-07-03 15:18 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | crossroadsguy wrote:
       | Isn't this that email chat app? It messed up my mailbox. Never
       | again.
       | 
       | Though the UX seemed quite fantastic (at least on iOS; iirc).
        
         | tuuxi wrote:
         | depending on usage scenarios, a dedicated account might be the
         | better option for Delta Chat. mixed usage might get tricky,
         | even though Delta Chat tries to sort "chat messages" to a
         | special folder
        
       | yoavm wrote:
       | This is a very beautiful study case for open source projects -
       | someone needed a client for the niche OS (sorry Ubuntu Touch), so
       | they just wrote it. It seems like they've done so without much
       | prior experience.
       | 
       | As for Delta Chat - I've tried using it previously and I have a
       | vague memory it messed up my inbox a little. Is there a simple
       | way to separate the chats from my normal emails? I don't want to
       | have a new email in Thunderbird for every instant message I get.
       | Is there a solution to that?
        
         | OldManRyan wrote:
         | Can you create a category just for Delta Chat messages? I've
         | never used Delta Chat but in Gmail you can create categories
         | and tabs so I would be able to create a category just for Delta
         | Chat messages. Is there some sort of thing like that in
         | Thunderbird or whatever email provider you use?
        
       | csears wrote:
       | I wasn't familiar with Delta Chat.
       | 
       | "Delta Chat is a new chat app that sends messages via e-mails,
       | encrypted if possible, with Autocrypt." [1]
       | 
       | [1]:https://delta.chat/en/help#what-is-delta-chat
        
         | seabass-labrax wrote:
         | @dang might want to change the title for us confused souls
        
         | woodruffw wrote:
         | I wasn't aware of Autocrypt before this, and its description on
         | Wikipedia is not confidence inspiring[1]:
         | 
         | "Key exchange is during the initial handshake and valid or
         | invalid keys of peers may be replaced anytime later without any
         | user interaction or verification. This makes it very easy to
         | exchange new key(s) if a user loses access to the key but also
         | makes the protocol much more susceptible to man-in-the-middle
         | attacks than clean TOFU."
         | 
         | This is almost the exact opposite of the properties you'd
         | normally expect in an attempt to provide encrypted emails, and
         | offers neither recoverability nor even _detectability_ for the
         | legitimate parties.
         | 
         | [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autocrypt
        
           | tuuxi wrote:
           | ftr, Delta Chat implements not only Autocrypt but also
           | "Counter MITM" to protect against active attacks, see
           | https://countermitm.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
        
             | woodruffw wrote:
             | _Which_ active attacks? This is a large document; from a
             | quick look, it doesn 't explain whether it adds pre-shared
             | key agreement, whether it's just pinning a TOFU'd key, or
             | whether it's doing something entirely different.
        
       | gatane wrote:
       | I thought that this was the Doom client
        
       | sezycei wrote:
       | I use Delta Chat as my primary IM platform to talk to my wife,
       | friends, and family. It's really a great application and WebXDC
       | is super neat!
       | 
       | I value it so highly that it's one of only three monthly monetary
       | FOSS donations I make.
        
         | phh wrote:
         | WebXDC sounds fun, could you tell more about the use-cases you
         | found?
        
         | emptysongglass wrote:
         | Does your wife, and do your friends and family all use Delta
         | Chat to chat with you or their own mail clients?
        
           | rosano wrote:
           | possible to interact between normal emails and the app
           | https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/8LbrGXKZN70
        
       | out_of_protocol wrote:
       | Delta touch is the Doom runner app:
       | 
       | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.opentouchg...
        
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