[HN Gopher] Twitter now requires an account to view tweets
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Twitter now requires an account to view tweets
Author : celsoazevedo
Score : 82 points
Date : 2023-06-30 19:36 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| chrisandchris wrote:
| Somehow they required an account to view more than a few replies.
| Then it got ,,better" and they removed that requirement. And a
| few days ago I realized I can't view anything at all without
| logging in.
|
| I'm not really sad about that change. Just going to miss out some
| things because I don't see why I should register to read a few
| tweets a week.
| Macha wrote:
| I will miss some of the Ukraine news as twitter was good for
| that, but that's about it for me at this point.
| kibwen wrote:
| Here's a Mastodon server that mirrors many Ukraine-related
| Twitter accounts: https://fed.celp.de/@uanews
|
| (Who knows how long it will keep working, of course.)
| veave wrote:
| Doesn't seem very neutral.
| GloomyBoots wrote:
| I'm not active on social media for the most part, and have to
| remind people not to send me links to sites that require a login
| (Pinterest for example). I don't have a Twitter account, but
| there were accounts I liked to browse occasionally. In the months
| before the Musk takeover, Twitter kept coming up with new things
| that you couldn't do without logging in. Finally, it was
| completely unusable. One of the earlier easy wins Musk made was
| undoing all of that. Now, on top of everything else he's managed
| to spectacularly torpedo, we're back to this.
| jamesgreenleaf wrote:
| Musk commented on this:
| https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1674865731136020505
|
| "Temporary emergency measure. We were getting data pillaged so
| much that it was degrading service for normal users!"
| celsoazevedo wrote:
| Screenshot: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/2023/twitter.png
| denysvitali wrote:
| I was confused at first on why a random dude posted a link to
| a screenshot hosted on Celso Azevedo's website (the Google
| Camera port index creator).
|
| Then I realized... hello there! (:
| celsoazevedo wrote:
| Hey! Yep, that's me.
|
| I was going to host the screenshot on imgur, but I'm not
| sure if we can trust them anymore...
| INTPenis wrote:
| So first of all HE scaled the infrastructure down to save
| money.
|
| Secondly, that "data pillaging" was exposure, he just removed
| exposure from people's tweets to save money, again.
|
| Good work Elon.
| csilverman wrote:
| Yes, it was definitely the "data pillaging" that was degrading
| service, and not the fact that Twitter is now hosted on a Mac
| Mini under somebody's desk...
| dang wrote:
| " _Don 't be snarky._"
|
| " _Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation
| of what someone says, not a weaker one that 's easier to
| criticize. Assume good faith._"
|
| I'm not saying you owe CEO billionaires or billionaire CEOs
| better, but you owe this community better if you're posting
| here. If you'd please review and follow the site guidelines,
| we'd appreciate it:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
| rlpb wrote:
| Presumably this is because I have to download an entire
| JavaScript app in order to view 280 bytes of tweet.
| odd_perfect_num wrote:
| What a shame the his post requires an account to view...
| consumer451 wrote:
| I wonder what percentage of legitimate traffic is blocked by
| this. I would imagine that the majority of users don't have an
| account, by a large margin, correct?
| PopularUsername wrote:
| I am unable to read the tweet, I'll have to take your word for
| it
| csilverman wrote:
| This feels a little like the shittiest restaurant in town raising
| its prices. I have an account, and I wouldn't even bother logging
| in at this point. Why bother? The Twitter experience is so
| devotedly wretched that whatever I'd get from the tweet I want to
| see is outweighed by everything I have to wade through to see it.
|
| There was a point when Twitter was good enough that maybe they
| could have pulled something like this and gotten away with it. At
| this point, I think all this will do is hasten their irrelevancy.
| gottorf wrote:
| > The Twitter experience is so devotedly wretched
|
| Even the content aside (that you have to wade through), just
| from a technical perspective the Twitter experience leaves a
| lot to be desired.
| villgax wrote:
| This was the case for interactivity for any click if opened
| without logging in since years, similar to Instagram as well
| ChrisArchitect wrote:
| [dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36535822
| f0e4c2f7 wrote:
| Sort of related, I was wondering will teddit.net also be shutting
| down when the API is shuttered?
|
| Seems like it would be but didn't know if it works using scraping
| or something.
| millzlane wrote:
| I noticed this earlier today when trying to follow a quote from
| linked from a new York times article. I thought "well thats
| fucked up how will anyone know what they said" lol. Twitter is
| such a crap show now lol. Really only useful to people who use
| it.
| mkl95 wrote:
| Twitter has now endured Instagram levels of enshittification. It
| has been a crappy product since the mid 2010s, but at least it
| was minimally usable back then.
| tedunangst wrote:
| Was a little surprised to discover that nitter just throws up
| stack traces to users for errors.
| marcodiego wrote:
| Since today I've been https://nitter.it/ . Don't know how long it
| will work though.
| xwdv wrote:
| Sucks that it's gone, but as a final aside, I never liked the
| name Nitter anyway. You better have perfect diction when talking
| about Nitter.
| justnotworthit wrote:
| for the desperate:
|
| https://syndication.twitter.com/srv/timeline-profile/screen-...
| add username at end
|
| from https://einaregilsson.com/redirector/ and
| https://gist.githubusercontent.com/robotblake/a0f020381c1a91...
| wheelerof4te wrote:
| This is why I've disconnected from all social media, these forum-
| like sites being an obvious exception.
|
| They have become an anti-thesis of freedom that was promised when
| World-wide-web emerged.
| HungSu wrote:
| A lot of comments suggesting federation as the solution to
| centralisation. I believe this is a false dichotomy.
|
| I think Write Once, Publish Everywhere (including both
| centralised and federated) is much better.
|
| https://indieweb.org/POSSE
| thih9 wrote:
| How to do that in practice?
|
| I find it tedious to update various social media platforms by
| hand, especially when each platform has its own rules and
| conventions. There are paid services that help but they often
| don't cover all of the platforms that I use, or are
| prohibitively expensive. Also if you just post a link to your
| site some social media platforms will treat you as a spammer.
| kibwen wrote:
| Different contexts call for different approaches. "Write once,
| publish everywhere" is ideal for read-only content. For a
| social network that is user-centric/identity-focused (like
| Twitter), federation makes sense; for a social network that is
| "topic-centric" (like Reddit) you can just have individual
| forums like the old days.
| RobotToaster wrote:
| How?
|
| twitter and facebook make automating that difficult with their
| API restrictions.
| jug wrote:
| Ugh, what an eventful time of social media this has been.
|
| First Twitter API, then Reddit API, so today Apollo and many more
| Reddit clients shut down, and now Nitter. :-(
|
| I'm happy Lemmy is kind of taking off. I think it's helped more
| than Mastodon because it's less realtime/feed focused and slower
| paced. It also doesn't require you to form a friend circle to
| benefit. Instead, the community is waiting for you already. You
| just sign up on an instance and add your communities. Done. This
| helped me a lot, together with sites like https://sub.rehab
| agluszak wrote:
| And now imagine a citizen wants to quickly check
| news/updates/whatever from a government agency or a city council
| which doesn't have a fediverse account
| badtension wrote:
| Looks like this is the best moment to move to the fediverse.
| Each country to have its own instances and accounts for all
| public institutions and governors.
| KSteffensen wrote:
| Why the hell are government agencies using Twitter/Facebook for
| official communication in the first place?
|
| At the very least if these sites are being used for official
| communication that might be critical to peoples safety some
| sort of privileged status or ToS should be negotiated. Can you
| imagine Musk banning some random non-USA government agency
| because he had a fit while high at 3 am?
|
| Also: https://xkcd.com/743/
| wepple wrote:
| NY Transit officially stopped using Twitter. I hope others
| follows.
|
| Google results that require a login to view are cancerous
| ben_w wrote:
| > Can you imagine Musk banning some random non-USA government
| agency because he had a fit while high at 3 am?
|
| Not only, but also.
|
| Does the Chinese government run an account? Have American
| politicians been as upset about this as they seem to have
| been about TikTok? I'd check the former, but, well, the
| subject under discussion.
| corndoge wrote:
| > Why the hell are government agencies using Twitter/Facebook
| for official communication in the first place?
|
| Exactly this. It's fine if they use twitter to syndicate news
| that is also announced on official government systems, but
| not as a primary and certainly not as a solitary distribution
| method.
|
| > Can you imagine Musk banning some random non-USA government
| agency because he had a fit while high at 3 am?
|
| That would be hilarious and maybe it would result in some
| people learning that twitter is in fact a private corporation
| that can do whatever it wants, but i doubt it - similar
| incidents proved that large swathes of users believe twitter
| is or should be treated as public infrastructure rather than
| prompting significant moves to user controlled platforms
| kevinmchugh wrote:
| Musk has been deferential to governments to date, even when
| that flies in the face of his idea of a free speech platform.
| KerrAvon wrote:
| Musk has also been deferential to catturd2 and banned
| journalists for imagined crimes.
| andsoitis wrote:
| > Musk has been deferential to governments to date, even
| when that flies in the face of his idea of a free speech
| platform.
|
| It's a business. Free speech is the brand.
| nologic01 wrote:
| This is one of the biggest scandals nobody is talking about.
|
| Any talk about privacy awareness is invalidated when public
| sector entities endorse these platforms and encourage
| citizens to participate.
|
| Any talk about the public sector not picking winners is a
| joke when they explicitly advertise and provide links on
| their websites to particular platforms.
|
| We have normalized alot of abnormal stuff in the past
| decade...
| paulddraper wrote:
| > Why the hell are government agencies using Twitter/Facebook
| for official communication in the first place?
|
| Reach.
|
| IDK if anyone is using it as the _sole_ method of
| communication.
|
| But Twitter in practice has a much higher reach than every
| other method.
| tgsovlerkhgsel wrote:
| I've definitely seen critical info communicated either only
| on Twitter, or first on Twitter and only much later
| elsewhere. Not sure if it was alerts ("chemical plant on
| fire, close windows") or crisis communication ("emergency
| water supplies being distributed at Foo street"), but it
| was a case of "use Twitter or suffer serious consequences".
|
| Stuff like "public transit line 17 out of service" being
| announced only on Twitter is completely par for the course.
| KerrAvon wrote:
| It doesn't, though; this is a myth propagated by
| journalists, who are Twitter addicts and are the only
| reason it survived Musk's initial incompetence.
| marcodiego wrote:
| Since today I've been https://nitter.it/ . Don't know how long it
| will work though.
| emergie wrote:
| Looks like nitter doesn't work anymore. I am unable to find a
| working instance
|
| https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/wiki/Instances
| rconti wrote:
| Looks like Twitter was officially evicted out of their Boulder
| office today. Had a fire sale on furniture out on the street, at
| least until the Sheriff seemed to stop employees from going into
| the building anymore.
| jacobsenscott wrote:
| Lol, I would have made the drive up just to see if I knew.
| lapcat wrote:
| Here's a trick to view a tweet: use the embed.
|
| https://platform.twitter.com/embed/Tweet.html?id=16748657311...
| jansan wrote:
| I tend to spend way more time on Twitter than I should, so I
| blacklisted it on my router and only accessed it through Nitter.
| Since I will not remove it from the blacklist, that's it with
| Twitter. Overall this is probably a good thing for me.
| ineedausername wrote:
| Should we cry now or something?
| duringmath wrote:
| They're just reporting the news how you react to it is up to
| you
| mydriasis wrote:
| I choose to cry, then. Seems sensible.
| diego_sandoval wrote:
| I choose to delete my Twitter account, which I didn't use
| much anyway.
| nunez wrote:
| This killed nitter.
|
| Fuck.
|
| I guess I'm done with Twitter.
|
| Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is
| next, I'll probably be mostly done with the Internet.
|
| This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :(
| j-bos wrote:
| I feel the same. Had 4 twitter accounts I followed on nitter
| after losing my account, and now, not sure. Feels like a time
| of (light) mourning.
| [deleted]
| coffeebeqn wrote:
| Ok, I'm not entirely unhappy to stop consuming Twitter for good.
| Musk sure showed me
| odd_perfect_num wrote:
| This phased out obsolescence (where people who care can create an
| account to archive old content before the site's deletion) should
| be the new norm!
| aeyes wrote:
| Embed links still work and I don't see how Twitter could disable
| them without causing a bit more outrage. But maybe they don't
| even care anymore.
| morbegn0 wrote:
| https://nitter.cz/, from the Czech collective NoLogz, has a
| statement in place of the error message:
|
| | |
|
| "Nitter.cz is not working, just like all other Nitter instances.
| The reason is Twitter blocking all access to it's content without
| login.
|
| We are sorry, but there is nothing we can do about it right now
| and we are not sure if the situation will change in the future.
|
| Don't trust corporations, especially those where one egomaniac
| has all the power. Use open-source and community driven solutions
| if you can (like Mastodon).
|
| Sincerely, NoLog.cz collective
|
| PS: You can also donate to us to keep our other services running"
| activitypea wrote:
| I just ran into this problem -- not being able to view tweets
| without logging in. As much as I hate Musk, this is clearly the
| trajectory of all platforms. Without a unified push towards self-
| hosting or the fediverse, the internet as we know it is over :(
| jtriangle wrote:
| We'll probably see a comeback once the LLM craze has blown
| over. So, 5-10 years
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Been over for a long time. We've had a lot of consolidation
| into Reddit (which, you can browse mostly anonymously, it will
| just beg you to death to log in unless you use the old site);
| and we've also had a mountain of consolidation into Discord
| (the most unsearchable system ever designed).
|
| People stopped hosting their own forums. Frankly, it's hard to
| not see why. The constant spam and people avoiding bans wasn't
| helpful - and modern forum software like Discourse is pure
| agony to set up and maintain if you don't know what you are
| doing. Not that forum software hasn't always been hard to set
| up, but the modern software stacks are particularly hard to
| manage. Also, what normal people see as good UX, in my
| experience, almost completely _does not match_ what computer
| engineers and the average open-source contributor sees as good
| UX.
| hayd wrote:
| Noticed this morning that nitter was down and twitter made tweets
| completely unavailable until you're logged in. Very annoying.
|
| I wonder what happened to embedded tweets?
| saurik wrote:
| (Embedded tweets also stopped working.)
| neltnerb wrote:
| And people said I was being a Luddite for saying "just copy
| the text or take a screenshot", that's a lot of "news"
| articles at this point.
|
| Definitely disturbing that journalists (especially) figured
| it was good archival practice to rely on the Twitter API in
| providing context.
|
| For years, if I didn't enable twitter's javascript, news
| articles are missing images and quotes, obviously so. It's
| embarrassing, I honestly don't know how they recover from
| this, I don't know why they kept relying on Twitter embedding
| when screenshots and copy/paste work better and don't break.
| CatWChainsaw wrote:
| I grew up with the practice of never putting more of my
| life in the digital world than necessary. Given the recent
| Amazon smarthome snafu I don't see a reason to change.
|
| Very innovation, many progress.
| nickloewen wrote:
| This comment on a related HN post seems to indicate they're
| still working: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36542606
|
| Here's the example link from that comment:
| https://platform.twitter.com/embed/Tweet.html?id=16748657311...
|
| Edit: and here's a random news article (post?) that has a
| working embedded tweet:
| https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/30/23780357/new-footage-of-t...
| renewiltord wrote:
| As an amusing aside, you can search for "username twitter" for
| many of the people posting here on hn.algolia.com and get a
| sequence of "I don't use Twitter" then "This Twitter account is
| decent" in a short span of time which makes me suspect many of
| these claims are not true.
|
| For my part, this is an annoyance since I use nitter's API to
| feed Tweets to a Slack I share with friends.
| agluszak wrote:
| Putting the internet in the hands of corporations was the worst
| thing that ever happened to technology
| paxys wrote:
| Doesn't come as a surprise when you look at how openly hostile
| the open source community still is to prioritizing user
| experiences and supporting tech-illiterate users in general.
|
| FOSS, fediverse, IPFS all had their chance, and they blew it.
| Corporations were the ones who opened up the internet to the
| 99% of people who would otherwise never have been there at all,
| and now they want to collect their cut.
| MrOwen wrote:
| To be completely fair, FOSS' marketing budget is orders of
| magnitude smaller than these corporation's budgets. Not to
| say that you're wrong but I suspect that's more like a drop
| in the bucket compared to marketing.
|
| Even now, these federated sites on the rise have technicial
| growing pains. And those will probably take years to get
| through until it's to a point where everyone can use it with
| little friction.
| RIMR wrote:
| The internet was conceived as a democratic haven, a realm where
| every individual had the potential to influence and shape their
| digital experience. However, a pervasive dip in technological
| literacy and a rising dependency on heavily-guided online
| pathways has begun to shift this balance. If this trend
| persists, corporations will continue to maintain their
| overarching dominion.
|
| A dynamic, user-driven community still thrives in the vast
| expanse of the digital world, yet it lies hidden beyond the
| towering edifices of corporate-controlled structures.
| Discovering these spaces has become an increasingly formidable
| task, as the infusion of corporate social content into
| journalistic and blogging platforms perpetuates the mirage that
| such networks are all that exist.
|
| Each colossal tech corporation we see today began its journey
| as a modest, affable endeavor. As these projects expanded with
| their burgeoning popularity, users neglected to challenge the
| escalating influence and control these companies wielded.
|
| Nitter was merely an alternative facade to Twitter. Despite
| offering an ad-free environment, it lacked substantial
| advantages as the underlying platform remained the same -
| Twitter.
|
| However, the digital realm is not void of choices. Federated
| social media is emerging as a profound alternative. Yet, a
| majority of those voicing concerns about corporate social media
| seem to dismiss options like Mastodon. This is primarily due to
| their increased technological demands and people's comfort in
| having a corporation guide their online journey.
|
| The power to reshape your digital footprint rests in your
| hands. You can sever ties with your corporate social media
| accounts. You can choose to eschew media that incessantly
| embeds corporate social media content. You can advocate for an
| internet not ruled by corporate influence. All it requires is
| the willingness to venture beyond the realm of comfort.
| the-printer wrote:
| > The internet was conceived as a democratic haven, a realm
| where every individual had the potential to influence and
| shape their digital experience.
|
| I have a hard time reconciling this perspective with history.
| Were any of these ideals present among the
| people/organizations responsible for the internet and the Web
| at the time that they were being developed? Or is sentiment
| like yours something that people adopted later on?
| RIMR wrote:
| I was speaking more to the ethos that arose as the internet
| was opened up to the public and began to evolve in the late
| 20th century. You are correct that this is a far cry from
| its initial conception as a military communications network
| (ARPANET).
| nomel wrote:
| I'm not sure that's a fair perspective.
|
| Twitter made a convenient, easy to use, centralized (which is
| an _absolute_ positive for user experience), social media
| product that attracted people, by their own free will. The
| number of people using a social media service amplifies its
| "usefulness", so the more people, the stronger it attracts new
| users.
|
| We didn't put the internet in the hands of these corporations.
| We walked over and _sat_ in their, easy to use, hands.
| throwaway1777 wrote:
| What in the heck are you even talking about? The internet would
| be nothing without tech companies.
| ben_w wrote:
| At university I was using JANET, and in some ways it was
| better than what we have now.
|
| I don't think they'd have ever bothered inventing privacy
| violating trackers A/B testing (though if I'm wrong this is
| the best place to assert wildly and be quickly corrected).
| throwaway1777 wrote:
| Who cares. 99.99% of the world would never use something
| like that. They want apps on iPhones.
| darkarmani wrote:
| No. Centralizing control of something that was designed to be
| distributed is what is stupid.
|
| The Internet is supposed to be distributed. We've gotten so
| used to consolidated services that we have forgotten this
| lesson.
| convolvatron wrote:
| don't you think one is a consequence of the other?
| staplers wrote:
| Centralizing control of something that was designed to be
| distributed
|
| This is human nature/greed unfortunately. Look at any natural
| (distributed) resource. The current economic system rewards
| this as well.
| osmarks wrote:
| It is not an issue of human nature. Centralization just
| makes implementation waaaay easier. Distributed systems
| design is very hard.
| eddythompson80 wrote:
| There is a failure of technology too. The internet is
| distributed, sure, but the server-client architecture puts
| all the operational burden on the server. The expectation
| that everyone will run their own internet exposed instance
| of _any_ thing is still simply not feasible, even today.
| The operational complexity of security, availability,
| monitoring etc are unmanageable even for technical users.
| Back when smaller forums were popular, hearing of a forum
| getting hacked was pretty much the norm. They get hacked,
| they go down for few days, they come back from a backup
| losing few days or hours of data, and on to the next
| vbulletin. Phpbb, nuke, or whatever vulnerability /hack.
| There doesn't yet exist a distributed system that can
| replace something like facebook, twitter, Reddit, YouTube,
| TikTok, instagram, or even WhatsApp without a significant
| operational burden or added complexity.
|
| It's also not a very interesting problem to solve because
| of the type of cliffs you will run into due to precisely
| how the "internet works"
| hkt wrote:
| Centralisation vs decentralisation in tech is pretty much
| irrelevant.
|
| What is relevant is governance. We allow billionaires and
| venture capitalists to govern a commons that we all rely on.
| Surprise surprise, it isn't going well.
|
| The solution is not to have (difficult to scale) federated
| alternatives. The solution is collective ownership.
|
| Imagine for a moment that the multinationals that are
| increasingly in charge of our lives were owned by their
| customers. Imagine they had a fair electoral system,
| reflecting the variety of those users, limiting them to one
| person, one vote, and that their constitutions were designed
| to guarantee the rights of minorities.
|
| The journey that most countries went on through the 20th and
| 21st centuries, in other words.
|
| Tech giants and other multinationals are a different kind of
| beast, because they govern a little slice of our lives
| instead of having carte blanche. But it is not beyond the
| realm of possibility for democratically operated
| multinationals to exist. It will be hard to do, but IMO, that
| approach has a bright future because non-techies can grasp it
| and participate in it more easily, and that is one less
| barrier to a runaway network effect than the fediverse has.
| MrOwen wrote:
| Can you not have both? Each federated instance costs money
| to upkeep. Some instances could elect for collective
| ownership or even elect to donate for develop (probably
| this needs to be carefully considered to deter corporate
| ownership). I like your idea but I think there needs to be
| an interim step and for now, maybe that's federation. Maybe
| we'll get to the place you speak of... one day.
| skrowl wrote:
| [dead]
| flyinghamster wrote:
| It's that old tradeoff - convenience vs. single point of
| failure. Unfortunately, we're getting to see now what that
| single point of failure does to us. A big chunk of the open
| web is winking out of existence at this very moment.
| badtension wrote:
| > No. Centralizing control of something that was designed to
| be distributed is what is stupid.
|
| Sounds like the issues we currently have with democracy.
| seanw444 wrote:
| Distributed power takes more effort. Of course people
| naturally trend towards lazy over the generations because
| it's easier and more efficient at the cost of everything it
| was initially supposed to be. And now we are where we are:
| executive branch agencies legislating.
| badtension wrote:
| That's why we shouldn't optimize everything, the longer I
| live the more I understand that overoptimization is the
| root of all evil. We should analyse what we are doing and
| how we are changing things in the long term, monitor the
| situation and adjust accordingly. Otherwise our systems
| will find a local optimum that benefit the most powerful
| groups. Happens in all aspects of life, modern capitalism
| being the prime example.
| jrflowers wrote:
| This makes sense. It's all been downhill since we stopped using
| the public utility company America Online
| warmwaffles wrote:
| [x] doubt
|
| Putting the internet in the hands of the Government wouldn't
| fair much better.
| phone8675309 wrote:
| False dichotomy - there are more options for Internet control
| than purely private and purely government.
| agluszak wrote:
| That's a false dichotomy. Government-regulated doesn't mean
| government-run. I wish we had laws in place that would
| prevent Facebook/Apple/Google/Twitter monopolies/walled
| gardens from happening
| hkt wrote:
| See my comment above: these companies could be the formal and
| effective property of their users.
| JohnFen wrote:
| The internet started in the hands of the government.
| omoikane wrote:
| Twitter has started blocking unregistered users (theverge) -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36535822
| teddyh wrote:
| Paul Graham famously started to use Mastodon (but has not written
| anything there since last year). But the _HN Status_ emergency
| "is HN down" channel never switched. It used to be publicly
| readable at <https://twitter.com/HNStatus>. But now, if HN was
| to go down, only logged-in Twitter users would be able to see
| why.
| rektide wrote:
| "Temporary emergency measure"
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36540957
| fuzzbazz wrote:
| Perfectly timed with tomorrow reddit API changes and possible
| user exodus.
| agluszak wrote:
| Same kind of speech as "special military operation"
| orblivion wrote:
| The thing is if it weren't meant to be temporary I'd still
| expect him to undo it. Twitter is iconic, it's a big part of
| "the news" in a way. It just doesn't seem like it would be
| the same thing if it had exclusivity. So I'd expect them to
| reverse the decision after seeing the drop in engagement.
| Just like they did regarding the ban on promoting one's
| Mastodon account.
| berkle4455 wrote:
| You can blame this all you want on evil social media
| corporations, but the reality is AI companies scraping public
| conversations to feed LLMs are the current reason for walls being
| erected around every single garden. Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,
| Reddit, LinkedIn.. all heading toward full walled garden mode to
| prevent scrapers from repurposing data and profiting off their
| systems.
|
| Federated systems are a nice idea, but they're not funded and
| will crumble under the same pressure until they too go into
| private mode. It's simply not a financially sound decision to run
| an open node that is continually harvested by corporations
| seeking to profit off the conversations occurring on your
| platforms.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| AI companies is a stupid argument. If the AI company operates
| legitimately, then TOS prohibiting using the content for LLM
| training purposes would be enough. If the AI company doesn't
| want to play ball then restricting public access won't stop
| them, they'll just register accounts en-masse and scrape that
| way.
| [deleted]
| KerrAvon wrote:
| Twitter has been slow since Musk took over and fired all of the
| competent devops people and then shut down most of the data
| centers. It's reasonable to assume that he's either been lied
| to or is lying about the cause of this.
| AlexandrB wrote:
| I've viewed twitter wayyyyy less (only when someone links
| something) since Tweetbot stopped working and I think it's been
| good for my mental health. A login wall will take that usage down
| to zero, so good news overall.
| nocoiner wrote:
| Same here. I haven't really missed it at all (by contrast, I
| stopped using Reddit when the blackout started earlier this
| month, and that feels like more of a loss).
|
| Weirdly, Twitter had started becoming so unreliable for me for
| several months prior (frequently not loading, video rarely
| working) that my click-through rate on Twitter links was
| already diminishing. But looks like it's 0% from here on out.
| babypuncher wrote:
| Does this mean companies will finally stop putting their official
| announcements only on Twitter? I already deleted my Twitter
| account months ago and I'm not about to create a new one.
| hiddendoom45 wrote:
| A fork of nitter by PrivacyDevel [0] should still work as it adds
| the option of using user account tokens to bypass content
| restricted tweets.
|
| [0] https://github.com/PrivacyDevel/nitter
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