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Why do men stupefy themselves? Leo Tolstoy on why we drink (2014)
Author : yamrzou
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Date : 2023-06-29 21:01 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| dougmwne wrote:
| Around the time I hit 30, alcohol just kind of stopped working
| for me. It makes me feel a little calm and tired, but the
| euphoria is gone. Previously I was close to having a problem with
| drinking and went out a few too many night a week for a few too
| many drinks. I still drink a little, but in the kind of way
| someone might drink milkshakes. I sort of miss it, but sort of
| don't.
| orblivion wrote:
| > Some those who have never once taken the trouble to consider
| whether they do well or ill to drink wine may add that wine is
| good for the health and adds to one's strength; that is to say,
| will make a statement long since proved baseless.
|
| Wait how did Tolstoy know this? The studies proving it baseless
| only came out like a year ago!
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| Call me crazy, but as a highly analytical person that has spent
| 70% of my waking hours in the last five years working on
| something technical, my social skills are best when I'm hungover.
| The logical analytical side of me is diminished and I am much
| more "normal". I have a much higher rate of success on dates with
| women when I have a really bad hang over and then a few drinks.
| It does feel like a lobotomy, and that's fine.
|
| If I am in my normal raw intellect, I will begin going deep on
| some topic thats outside the range of normal human discourse. It
| will be hard for me to stop, because of my interest. Alcohol
| removes that to a large degree.
|
| Edit:
|
| A funny meta observation, the "Peak HN" comment below, and the
| following conversation, might not have been necessary if I wrote
| this post very hungover.
| gizmo wrote:
| But... this way you end up dating somebody that only likes you
| when you're hung over. That doesn't sound like a winning
| strategy to me.
| RoddaWallPro wrote:
| I relate to this, though perhaps obliquely.
|
| I feel far more peaceful and centered when I am hungover. I
| don't have a thousand things flying around the edges of my
| brain, nipping at my consciousness. I just _am_.
|
| Drinking can do that for me too, but it shuts off so much of my
| brain that eventually, it's like being what I imagine a dog is.
| Completely reactive, with almost no higher thinking. Not that
| that is bad. I enjoy it.
|
| If not for how bad it makes me feel physically, I'd probably
| spend most of my waking hours either drunk or hungover. What
| that says about me, I hesitate to think about, hah.
|
| I also found that in my limited experience with meditation, I
| could sometimes find that place of tranquility and "simply
| being". But it was so rare, and the experience of meditation so
| frustrating and seemingly impossible to progress in, that I
| gave up. But I still hold that what I am after in meditating is
| the same thing that I am after in a night of drinking. Single-
| threadedness, peace, acceptance.
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| Yeah the issue is its really unhealthy to drink enough to be
| hungover multiple times a week. But then the question is,
| what are we saving ourselves for? Life is happening.
|
| I've tried meditation, could never reach a high enough level
| with it to feel sustained peace/calmness. I should put more
| effort into it though
| nvy wrote:
| Are you sure it's the raw intellect turning women away and not,
| you know, unpleasant levels of arrogance?
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| haha :) didnt realize this came off so poorly
| sctb wrote:
| * * *
| hackhackerschor wrote:
| Are you sure you mean hungover?
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| Yes. Going from sober -> drunk does not remove my somewhat
| autist analytical bent. Being hungover, my brain is moving
| alot slower, less detailed, etc.
| newprint wrote:
| I had zero social circle and no significant other in my life,
| until I started drinking. World opened up for me after I
| started consuming alcohol. Edit: However, you need to be
| responsible. Alcohol badly derailed my life once.
| hbn wrote:
| I'm the complete opposite, I can barely put a sentence together
| when I'm hungover.
|
| To be fair I can barely put a sentence together when sober
| either.
| layer8 wrote:
| What's your current state of soberness?
| hbn wrote:
| If you mean at the current moment in time, I'm sober. And
| it's easier when I'm typing and can edit my sentences as I
| go. But in day-to-day, trying to explain things or convey
| my thoughts coherently, I'm pretty bad. I think it's gotten
| worse in the past few years with how isolated I've been
| starting with the pandemic.
| com2kid wrote:
| > If you mean at the current moment in time, I'm sober.
| And it's easier when I'm typing and can edit my sentences
| as I go. But in day-to-day, trying to explain things or
| convey my thoughts coherently, I'm pretty bad. I think
| it's gotten worse in the past few years with how isolated
| I've been starting with the pandemic.
|
| Talking is a skill like any other.
|
| So, a comparison.
|
| You know how you can picture a car in your head but you
| can't make _draw_ a car unless you 've spent time
| practicing as an artist? That is because connecting our
| mental representation of "a car" and making our hand draw
| a car is a skill that requires a _lot_ of training. This
| is why artists practice drawing still lives, looking at
| an orange and copying it down to paper with a pencil
| trains your brain on how to translate the thing that is
| visually inside your head to what your hand needs to do
| to re-create it.
|
| Well, the same for mental dialogue. Going from "idea in
| head" to "words coming out of mouth" is a skill that
| takes practice.
|
| There are ways to practice this! Toastmasters is a famous
| group whose goal is improving this skill, but there are
| many other routes. I had good luck with table top RPGs, I
| spent years playing a character who is supposed to be
| charismatic, and accordingly I had lots of chances to
| practices being outgoing!
|
| We are good at the things we practice doing!
| zarakshR wrote:
| > If I am in my normal raw intellect, I will begin going deep
| on some topic thats outside the range of normal human
| discourse. It will be hard for me to stop, because of my
| interest. Alcohol removes that to a large degree.
|
| Peak HN.
| giraffe_lady wrote:
| It's 1985 I am stoned with my roommate hearing this comment.
| it's 2008 I am on reddit reading this comment. it's 2023 I am
| on HN reading this comment.
| jahsome wrote:
| It's 2040 and BroGPT 7 responds with this to all prompts.
| jcims wrote:
| The description might be a bit indulgent, but the experience
| resonates. Having a conversation about flowers and your mind
| wants to talk about why there seems to be an innate
| attraction towards the scent of certain flowers. Like what is
| the electrochemical process that creates sensation in your
| mind of attraction and beauty and a pleasant experience when
| a certain set of chemicals bind to receptors in your head.
|
| But then you don't because the last time you did something
| like that you just got a blank stare, and 'hmmm!' and a
| change in topics.
| giraffe_lady wrote:
| There's no brain so big it prevents you from just enjoying
| the smell of the flower instead.
| johnfn wrote:
| Is there something wrong with talking about the problems
| associated with intelligence? They certainly exist and I
| think most intelligent people are familiar with them - but
| whenever I see them brought up they get casually brushed off
| with comments such as yours. I can't see how they're
| categorically different than any other set of problems.
| toolz wrote:
| How could intellect, or the ability to reason and
| understand things ever be a problem connecting socially? If
| it's a problem, then it's not intellect but rather a lack
| of something. I would suggest it's a lack of intellect, or
| the lack of understanding the people around you and being
| able to find common threads of interest. This isn't a
| problem of high intellect. Everyone has absolute loads of
| things in common with every other human on this planet. If
| you can't connect with another human, it's not because of
| high intellect.
| gizmo wrote:
| Many intelligent people like having intelligent
| conversations. The kind of conversations where they learn
| new perspectives and where ideas can be challenged. If
| those conversations are not possible you get stuck making
| small talk, which is not all that satisfying.
| johnfn wrote:
| > How could intellect, or the ability to reason and
| understand things ever be a problem connecting socially?
|
| Really? You don't think that intelligence has multiple
| components - raw intelligence, social intelligence, etc?
| And that you could in theory be good at one but not at
| the other?
| toolz wrote:
| Sure, but analytical intelligence surely doesn't get in
| the way of social intelligence I wouldn't think. So my
| statement holds in that case where you lack some type of
| intelligence.
|
| I can't see any reason that someone who is really
| intelligent at technical things couldn't be just as
| socially intelligent. They probably just don't have as
| much practice with social environments when compared to
| technical problems.
| rainonmoon wrote:
| Those aren't problems with intelligence, they're "problems"
| (insofar as they are problems, debatable) with things like
| social anxiety, inability or unwillingness to read social
| cues, superiority complexes (or inferiority complexes) etc.
| None of these are intrinsic to having an enormous capacity
| to learn, as multitudes of smart and charismatic people
| will attest. Part of this is also a matter of self-
| perception. Hey, lots of not very smart people also like to
| talk about their topics of interest beyond the appropriate
| span of patience. Plenty of them worry about that tendency
| as much as those burdened with Promethean intellect as
| well; plenty of them don't.
| johnfn wrote:
| You really don't think there's a _single_ problem that
| might arise when someone were to have a large capacity
| for learning? I mean, sure, perhaps these problems aren
| 't _unique_ to people with higher intelligence. And
| perhaps they 're _correlated_ with other parameters, like
| social anxiety, etc. But surely becoming more intelligent
| can exacerbate these types of problems, no?
|
| I still find the behavior odd. If someone says "I feel
| awkward around people because I'm short" no one responds
| with "that's not a problem with being short, that's just
| social anxiety". But when someone says "I feel awkward
| around people because I'm smart" suddenly everyone has an
| issue.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| That's why it's not then intelligent that rule the world,
| it's the sociopaths.
| wehnsdaefflae wrote:
| Not crazy. Same with me. My mom always tells me how much nicer
| it is talking with me when I'm hungover.
| colordrops wrote:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/hangovereffect
|
| https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7nakg/what-is-the-hangover-...
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| Wow! This comment:
|
| "Alex, 30, lives in New York City. He says he has depression,
| anxiety and undiagnosed ADHD. His experiences sound similar
| to Dylan's, with a heavy night of drinking making way for a
| newfound sense of self. "I was calm, empathetic, emotional,
| not anxious," he says. "
|
| Is similar to me, even live in nyc and a similar age
| dannyobrien wrote:
| There was a whole subreddit trying to explore why the people in
| it felt more comfortable and effective when hungover. Someone
| else may have the link -- with the API locked down, my usual
| app, Apollo, to find things like this on Reddit no longer
| works, and Google assumes I want a hangover cure for the search
| terms I tried.
| dannyobrien wrote:
| Aha! The answer was further down in this thread:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/hangovereffect/
| nostromo wrote:
| I prefer my husband's company when he's tired because when he's
| well rested he can be "too much" -- his energy level, his
| anxiousness, his sense of humor, are all amplified, sometimes
| to an annoying degree.
|
| I've noticed this with other guys that just need to chill out a
| bit when socializing -- especially tech folks.
|
| It's more about energy level than smartness.
|
| No need to be hungover -- maybe just relax a bit, take things
| slower, talk less, go on fewer (or no) tangents, etc., and you
| might achieve the same result.
| wjholden wrote:
| This is a really interesting perspective. I wonder: does
| intense exercise achieve the same outcome? Fasting? Low-sugar
| diet?
| drekipus wrote:
| Meditation would be the big one. It's an intentional "go
| slow" mentality
| ldjkfkdsjnv wrote:
| It might be energy level, I have wondered whether I am overly
| caffeinated and thats where its coming from. But youre right,
| theres a "jumpiness". I do think my general lifestyle (many
| hours of programming) primes my brain for a certain way of
| working. If I stop coding, and for instance hike all the
| time, my suspicion is this would go away to some degree.
| anthomtb wrote:
| > maybe just relax a bit, take things slower
|
| I agree with what you are saying about energy levels but take
| issue with these suggestions. How does an inherently anxious
| and energetic person "just relax" and "take things slowly"? I
| mean, the phrase "just relax" generates (for a younger
| version of me) a thought bubble that would read: I thought I
| was relaxed!!
|
| > talk less, go on fewer (or no) tangents
|
| What's worse, someone babbling about something they're
| excited about? Or sitting in awkward silence because they're
| mentally keeping score of who's saying more words in the
| conversation?
|
| Again, I am 100% with you on the excess energy levels making
| someone annoying. I am just looking for actionable, less
| generic suggestions. To bring it back to the start of your
| post:
|
| > I prefer my husband's company when he's tired
|
| How does your husband get tired enough to be tolerable?
| bheadmaster wrote:
| _You see, -burp- Morty, grandpa is wayyy too smart. I am the
| smartest man in the universe, Morty, and that sucks, because of
| the loneliness of nobody ever being able to understand my
| thoughts. Do you know how -burp- lucky you are, Mor-Morty, that
| you 're as dumb as a rock? Do you how luck you are to be
| surrounded by people who have the same IQ as you, Morty? Yeah,
| you're lucky, because to you that is an advantage. You can lead
| some stupid conversation with some stupid girls and enjoy
| yourself. Grandpa cannot have that, Morty. That-that is -burp-
| not a luxury the smartest man in the universe can have. So I
| drink, to make myself stupid, so I can endure this
| psychological torture called a conversation with _you_._
| rpastuszak wrote:
| > alcohol removes that to a large degree
|
| Sounds like a crutch. What you describe here is a fairly common
| response by people suffering from social anxiety.
|
| I'm not implying that's you, but it seems like you have the
| capacity to act the same way without booze so it might be worth
| to observe how and what you feel when that happens.
| blast wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVFe9ungqtk
| motohagiography wrote:
| I used to think that a drunk was someone who would drink to ease
| a burden of shame. As I got older what changed is I developed
| compassion for them. It impairs judgment - of oneself, and of
| others; for better, or for worse.
| Blahah wrote:
| Drinking slows down my brain and reduces the number of threads
| running in parallel. Sometimes very useful to enable normal-
| passing interaction in social environments. Or just to be able to
| focus. Lots of people with ADHD drink to achieve a more single
| threaded experience.
|
| Edit to add: I don't meant to encourage drinking as a tool for
| managing ADHD. It works but it's a blunt and dangerous tool. If
| you're at that point, you'll absolutely love the results you get
| from the healthier strategies: Understanding yourself; developing
| a suite of tools that don't involve a slippery slope; and
| curating your social and physical environment carefully.
| yamazakiwi wrote:
| I'd add that I've done this in a the past and the main issue
| with treating ADHD with alcohol for me was the weight gain.
| fisherjeff wrote:
| Took me way too many years to understand this
| giraffe_lady wrote:
| Untreated or late diagnosed ADHD people are ridiculously
| overrepresented in drug & alcohol recovery programs. It's
| honestly chilling and it prevents me from taking this in the
| probably more lighthearted spirit that was intended.
| com2kid wrote:
| Fun fact! Over 50 percent of people with untreated ADHD will
| have problems with substance abuse at some point in their
| life!
|
| Oh wait, that isn't fun at all.
|
| ADHD is real and untreated it can (and often does) destroy
| lives.
|
| (Also: People with untreated ADHD have 3x the gen-pop rate of
| car accidents!)
| TheEzEzz wrote:
| Interesting analogy. I feel like I talk and think faster when
| I'm drunk but am also more focused and can hold less in my
| mind. I'm wondering if it's because I'm switching into single
| threaded mode instead of multi-threaded mode, and that single
| thread is actually faster, but more limited.
| siliconc0w wrote:
| If you're a habitual drinker - try not drinking for a month to
| see if the habit just stops. I stopped to do an experiment on my
| sleep and biomarkers and haven't found the urge to continue
| (still drink socially but I used to have a whiskey after dinner
| pretty reliably). For me it was pretty clearly just to destress
| and have something to sip on in front of TV. I switched to a non-
| caffeinated tea+honey+lemon which might event help with sleep
| rather than disturb it.
|
| Kinda basic psychology but it's helpful to just put the bottles
| away in an a cabinet - if I don't see them I don't even think,
| "oh - I could go for a drink". The difference is expending the
| willpower to not drink vs not to even think to drink.
| rythmshifter wrote:
| "He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of
| being a man."
| naughtyAI wrote:
| [dead]
| sublinear wrote:
| Wow this reads like something from the prohibition era. It's not
| just possible, but common to drink responsibly. The pain and
| dissonance has more to do with immaturity than the booze itself.
| Not everyone who drinks turns into a wannabe Socrates or
| Caligula.
| bandrami wrote:
| It's possible but it's also a relatively new idea. In Tolstoy's
| time anybody who wasn't a teetotaler was pretty much drinking
| until they passed out, every day. Military rations included a
| daily gallon of beer or quart of distilled liquor.
| glonq wrote:
| One of the reasons why I don't drink is that _I like being me_.
| Specifically...
|
| - I like who I am when I'm sober, and don't expect that I would
| like 'drunk me'.
|
| - I like being in full control over what I experience and how I
| experience it.
|
| - I also enjoy remembering (and not regretting) those
| experiences.
| Quekid5 wrote:
| This meant with NO JUDGMENT WHATSOEVER, but I'm curious:
|
| > ... and don't expect that I would like 'drunk me'.
|
| Have you ever tried being drunk? I wouldn't recommend it if
| you're fine the way you are, but OTOH, I think people don't
| _actually_ understand unless they 've tried it.
|
| (I know that's kind of shitty, but ... that's life.)
| yamazakiwi wrote:
| Most people I know that say the whole "I like being in
| control" have only drank a few times (maybe bad experiences)
| but like the idea of not drinking so they promote this
| narrative in their head. It's an excuse so they can
| compartmentalize drinking into the "Now I don't have to care
| about this because it's bad for my physical health anyway"
| box.
|
| Really it's just an easy excuse that doesn't need to be true
| because the fact remains that this person doesn't want to be
| a person who drinks and most won't question it.
| oceanplexian wrote:
| > I like being in full control over what I experience and how I
| experience it.
|
| I would argue you like the illusion of being in control, not
| that you are actually in control of anything.
|
| Some of the greatest decisions of my life were made after a few
| drinks (Such as booking flights to other countries, hooking up
| with people, making lifelong friends). Sometimes our rational,
| thinking minds aren't as smart as they think they are, and a
| measured amount of unpredictability can make life better. Of
| course it's a double edged sword, and has a dark side, but
| things would be pretty uninteresting if you never had any
| regrets.
| t09i209ba893 wrote:
| >I would argue you like the illusion of being in control, not
| that you are actually in control of anything.
|
| Could you elaborate about not how you aren't really any more
| in control when sober? I feel that you're making an
| interesting argument, but I don't really share your
| perspective well enough to understand what you mean.
|
| My aversion to alcohol largely comes from wanting my best
| judgement intact in order to better survive complex
| situations. When you talk about the positives of taking more
| risks, my immediate response is that you should learn to take
| more risks when sober, rather than dulling yourself so you
| blindly stumble into them. But I also think I'm not fully
| appreciating your point.
| yamazakiwi wrote:
| Yes, and there is also a distinct difference of self control
| between a buzzed/drunk experience, and one where you are
| absolutely annihilated.
| vorpalhex wrote:
| To add, your subconcious mind seems to be more in the drivers
| seat in many situations, variations of drunkenness and
| hungover among them.
|
| It's worth calling out that meditation can (sometimes,
| depending on the form) lead to a similar headspace.
| yamazakiwi wrote:
| For the sake of contrast to your post, I present my terrible
| personality.
|
| When I'm sober I feel simultaneously manic and under-
| stimulated. I tend to exhibit uncooperative or argumentative
| behavior. This leads me to avoid others and isolate because I
| don't want them to get mad or dislike me. I have a hard time
| shutting my mouth. I'm so tired of playing the game of
| socializing, most people have nothing interesting or
| unpredictable to say or talk about.
|
| When I'm drunk, I'm actually nice and can lie to kick it. I'm
| genuinely more loving, forgiving, and fun-loving.
|
| - I like who I am when I'm drunk, and I don't like sober me
|
| - I don't feel a loss of control and my experiences are better
| when I am able to let go of pretension and disappointment.
|
| - I remember everything that happens to me, at worst I forget a
| non-important conversation
| tester756 wrote:
| You're sure you don't have something to hide and
|
| you're worried that alcohol would make you show it? :P
| belfalas wrote:
| "When a man is sober he is ashamed of what seems all right when
| he is drunk. In these words we have the essential underlying
| cause prompting men to resort to stupefiers. People resort to
| them either to escape feeling ashamed after having done something
| contrary to their consciences, or to bring themselves beforehand
| into a state in which they can commit actions contrary to
| conscience, but to which their animal nature prompts them.
|
| A man when sober is ashamed to go after a prostitute, ashamed to
| steal, ashamed to kill. A drunken man is ashamed of none of these
| things, and therefore if a man wishes to do something his
| conscience condemns he stupefies himself."
|
| - Tolstoy (from the article)
| circuit8 wrote:
| This is the core of the issue. The thing is that in modern
| western societies shame is placed upon many activities that are
| normal and necessary for a human to enjoy a good life. It is
| shameful in many places for a person to sing, dance, and to
| express their true emotions. So we intoxicate ourselves, in
| order to escape from the overly rigid social conditioning we
| have all internalised.
| kgwxd wrote:
| Seems to only be focusing on mean drunks. I've never had the
| desire to do any of those things, drunk or sober, and I'm drunk
| almost every night.
| dizzydes wrote:
| Inhibitions are inhibiting, so its mighty fine to lose them once
| in a while.
|
| Lose them continually and there's no life left.
| [deleted]
| bcatanzaro wrote:
| I find the description of alcohol as something that "stupefies"
| rather reductive. People are often louder, more expressive and
| more interesting when they've had a drink. The opposite of
| catatonic. Now it's true that overdosing on alcohol is poisonous
| but most people don't drink to the point of stupification
| regularly.
|
| I am interested in why Tolstoy feels the need to be so reductive.
| Sounds to me like he might also be "hiding from himself what he
| doesn't wish to see". Which is a human activity so I don't
| begrudge him his own chosen blind spots, I just think it's
| interesting and I'm wondering if he is being fully honest with
| himself about why he hates alcohol so much.
| ProllyInfamous wrote:
| People ~~do~~ abuse drugs to escape seemingly-insurmountable
| problem(s) in their life.
|
| "The opposite of addiction is connection" ----Gabriel Mate
|
| I have been "clean" from a past life for 14 years. Every day is a
| challenge.
| wouldbecouldbe wrote:
| yeah you can be perfectly happy and just really enjoy a beer.
| If dosed & timed properly it amplifies happiness & relaxation.
|
| Problem after too much the body just craves more.
| shortcake27 wrote:
| Eh, I don't think it's that deep. I take drugs because it feels
| good and I have a good time, so the risks are worth it. I have
| zero interest maximising my lifespan at the expense of
| enjoyment. I'll never understand why the general population is
| so hell-bent on preventing people from enjoying their own life.
| UniverseHacker wrote:
| Alcohol and other drugs feel good and allow you to have a
| good time by allowing you to escape negative emotional
| experiences and just enjoy the moment: fear, social anxiety,
| trauma. Without those negative feelings, you would already
| feel good, and the alcohol would lose it's appeal.
| Arn_Thor wrote:
| No, it's not so simple. Alcohol changes the brain in ways
| that affect dopamine and endorphins. You literally feel
| pleasure and happiness... unless and until you've had too
| much of course
| mvdtnz wrote:
| No, you're overthinking it. I'm perfectly happy when I'm
| sober - I have a nice house, a great relationship, a happy
| family and tons of hobbies. I am in no way crippled by
| fear, social anxiety or trauma.
|
| Drinking with my friends makes me happy in different ways.
| Alcohol doesn't lose its appeal just because I'm happy
| while I'm sober.
| OkayPhysicist wrote:
| You're confusing "drinking as a coping mechanism" and
| "drinking for recreation". You know what rich college
| students don't have a lot of? "fear, social anxiety, and
| trauma". Know what they do a lot of? booze, sex, and drugs.
| You show me the most content, meditation-and-
| philosophizing-on-a-Friday-night person, and I'll show you
| someone who could be having an even better time on MDMA.
|
| Booze, sex, and drugs are just life's cheat codes for
| giving you more dopamine. The person with fear is the one
| who is so terrified of judgement by society, too betrothed
| to the idea that they'd be _sinning_ to actually enjoy
| themselves, that they deny themselves extremely fun
| experiences.
| hadlock wrote:
| Because support costs for drug addicts have tremendous
| support costs for society. Prohibition was a genuine attempt
| at solving the problem once and for all, but for reasons that
| are clear now, didn't work.
| kibwen wrote:
| There's an important distinction to be made between
| recreational drug use and habitual drug use, though the line
| can be blurry. For individuals who are predisposed to start
| at recreational and end up at habitual, it can be better to
| abstain altogether.
| ProllyInfamous wrote:
| This is a really good response. I definitely "have an
| addictive personality."
| Etheryte wrote:
| Send your regards to Nixon and his public relations team for
| that last part (see
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs).
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| Maybe you are the exception.
| shortcake27 wrote:
| In which regard? That I take drugs, that I favour enjoyment
| over longevity, or that I don't dictate other people's
| lives?
| ProllyInfamous wrote:
| I changed "people do drugs" to "people abuse drugs" to help
| encompass the good point you bring up. I want you to safely
| enjoy your life =D
| nkuttler wrote:
| > People do drugs to escape seemingly-insurmountable problem(s)
| in their life.
|
| Some people
| skhm wrote:
| congratulations on 14
| ProllyInfamous wrote:
| Thanks man! I just got my teeth fully-restored (implants)
| from all the teeth-grinding that having-been such-a-fool was.
| I've cried for days (teefs are so important!)... I can chew
| food again.
| [deleted]
| psychphysic wrote:
| I drink because I'm boring sober, I don't drink cause I'm an
| ass when I do.
| mynonameaccount wrote:
| Stupid and ignorant is a valid philosophy, mostly practiced in
| the US
| jrflowers wrote:
| This is a good point about the famous American author Leo
| Tolstoy
| naughtyAI wrote:
| [dead]
| victor9000 wrote:
| Mainly to distract myself as a way to destress
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