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       Show HN: Factiverse AI editor - Fact-checking text made smarter and
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       Heya HN, after 7 years of dedicated work, we're thrilled to unveil
       Factiverse AI Editor - a revolutionary tool to validate or debunk
       factual claims in any text, including AI-generated content.  Here's
       how it works: Our cutting-edge machine learning models analyze your
       text and identify check-worthy claims. We then scour search engines
       like Google, Bing, and Wikipedia, alongside manual fact-checks, to
       retrieve supporting and disputing evidence. The credibility of each
       source is carefully assessed using another machine learning model
       trained on expert fact-checks.  Try out the Factiverse AI Editor at
       https://editor.factiverse.ai/ and be sure to sign up and provide
       feedback on our Product Hunt page at
       https://www.producthunt.com/posts/factiverse-ai-editor or directly
       within the app.  To get started, check out our tutorial video at
       https://youtu.be/rMBHHfn6mk0 and hear a special message from the
       founders at https://youtu.be/Ri5rR_clpxg. Visit our homepage at
       http://factiverse.ai for more information.  Join us in
       revolutionizing fact-checking with AI!
        
       Author : vinni2
       Score  : 27 points
       Date   : 2023-06-23 17:28 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | ncr100 wrote:
       | Positive feedback:
       | 
       | * Yes, more of this kind of technology, yes please. Actual trust
       | is different from digital trust, and this tech moves digital
       | trustworthiness closer to Actual. This is Human-centered
       | technology, IMO.
       | 
       | Critical feedback:
       | 
       | * [minor] Red/Green colors for people with Deuteranopia MIGHT be
       | indistinguishable: https://www.color-blindness.com/coblis-color-
       | blindness-simul...
       | https://www.allaboutvision.com/conditions/color-blindness/re... I
       | know the factiverse Editor Results website is NOT the primary
       | product, and I have "full-color" vision, but hey whenever I see
       | Red and Green used for critical data, I criticize!
       | 
       | Idea:
       | 
       | * Build this into an assistant, an always-listening device, as a
       | lie-detector, for use in conversations, or for video streaming
       | services as a "truth track". Could be entertaining. I watch a lot
       | of MSNBC and I want to know what is BS.
        
       | elemos wrote:
       | Why is it an editor? Often times I want to fact check other
       | things, not my own writing.
        
         | abeppu wrote:
         | Or rather, if you're actually writing, you probably already
         | have sources in mind. Some people probably are willing to write
         | stuff before they know whether it's true or false
         | (astrologists, fiction authors), but who among those writers
         | cares to fact check whatever they just put down?
        
         | vinni2 wrote:
         | OP here, it is an editor because our first market segment is
         | content creators. A browser plugin is on the way!
        
       | CharlesW wrote:
       | IMHO the pricing model isn't quite right -- you could charge
       | professional/enterprise users a lot more, but you're too
       | expensive for filthy casuals like me. If there was a tier in the
       | $20-30 paid yearly range with reasonable limits for people who
       | might use it a handful of times per week, I'd be very interested.
        
         | vinni2 wrote:
         | OP here, that's great feedback. We are still tinkering the
         | pricing model.
        
       | ldehaan wrote:
       | [dead]
        
       | abeppu wrote:
       | I found it annoying to be led through a multi-step tutorial modal
       | that includes an "Add your own text" pane, but of course when you
       | try to change the text away from an off-the-shelf example it nags
       | you to sign up. The 3-preloaded examples aren't great, but I have
       | to expect that you chose examples to demo on which the system
       | works well (and for which there's a cached response) ... but I'm
       | not going to make an account to see how well it does (or how long
       | it takes) on an arbitrary new article.
        
       | gojomo wrote:
       | While there are many, many reasons to worry about a flood of fake
       | & false autogenerated AI content, in media & forums not yet
       | armored against the new reality, I am _also_ hopeful that various
       | kinds of LLM writing-prostheses can _help_ in places that do
       | adapt.
       | 
       | This seems like a good example, automating what a speedy &
       | diligent stickler-for-what's-supportable could discover, &
       | recommend, about drafts from users (or other AI-writers).
       | 
       | Other opportunities might include drafting for clarity, & against
       | common misreadings. Might services like Twitter improve if a
       | _user-loyal_ & _advisory-not-censoring_ writing coach was there
       | to warn when your wording might be misunderstood? When your reply
       | might 've assumed-the-worst about the root message whose actual
       | or likely intent was more agreeable to you?
       | 
       | Sympathetic reading & sympathetic reading can be hard for those
       | under various online stresses, or having just been fed a heavily-
       | spun/decontextualized narrative, or just learning a new space's
       | realities. It's _possible_ specialized AIs could help improve
       | online conversations, if deployed and tuned by those seeking
       | understanding rather than division.
        
         | unshavedyak wrote:
         | Yea, it's probably true that as much as LLMs could flood us
         | with bullshit, they might also give us the tools to deal with
         | the floods.
         | 
         | It's just that it's much easier to generate floods of bullshit,
         | especially in the beginning _(where we are)_.
        
       | JimtheCoder wrote:
       | Overall, this is pretty cool. Good Job.
       | 
       | One issue I have with it, though...
       | 
       | It would be nice if I could filter what count's as a valid
       | "source".
       | 
       | Meaning, having the BBC or The Guardian as a supporting source
       | doesn't really make me feel much better.
       | 
       | Just a thought, but good stuff overall.
        
         | JPLeRouzic wrote:
         | I just tried and I had the same thought.
        
         | CharlesW wrote:
         | Did you try it? Each claim results in Supporting, Mixed, and
         | Disputing citations. You decide what it means if _[Media Source
         | You Hate]_ supports or disputes a claim.
        
           | JimtheCoder wrote:
           | Yes, I did try it...that's how I found out that sites like
           | BBC or The Guardian are used as sources.
           | 
           | All I am saying is that it would be nice to have the ability
           | to choose categories of "sources" so I don't have to sort
           | through a ton of clutter.
           | 
           | Using the El Nino example that was auto filled, a large
           | portion of the sources look like they come from sites that
           | more than likely will be using things like ChatGPT to
           | generate their content in the near future, thus negating any
           | real benefit...
        
             | CharlesW wrote:
             | Ah, I see. For me, it's just as helpful to know whether
             | _[Media Source I Hate]_ supports or disputes a claim as it
             | is whether _[Trusted Media Source]_ supports or disputes a
             | claim. I 'm generally always curious about the spin,
             | especially when I know it's not objective.
        
       | dylan604 wrote:
       | >alongside manual fact-checks,
       | 
       | what does this entail, or is it exactly what i think it means?
       | does it list the names and credentials of those manual biobots?
        
       | deoxykev wrote:
       | I would love an API, and more flexible pricing options. A
       | subscription just won't work for my use case, which would be just
       | once in a while for a hobby chatbot.
        
         | vinni2 wrote:
         | We do have APIs https://search.factiverse.no/v1/redoc
        
       | miahwilde wrote:
       | What is a fact - fundamentally?
        
         | CharlesW wrote:
         | Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact
        
         | masswerk wrote:
         | An observation in the context of a specific frame of reference
         | (and only in this context). As a frame of reference is mostly a
         | social construct (or an idea anyways), it mostly relies on
         | social consensus, which is both fundamental but also limited to
         | the particular frame of reference.
        
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