[HN Gopher] DeArrow - Solving clickbait on YouTube
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       DeArrow - Solving clickbait on YouTube
        
       Author : zikohh
       Score  : 112 points
       Date   : 2023-06-22 20:00 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | qwertox wrote:
       | I'd like an extension which filters out all those Short-videos.
       | No way to pause, no way to scroll, they are horrible.
        
         | ajayyy wrote:
         | https://github.com/mchangrh/yt-neuter/blob/main/filters/nosh...
         | 
         | or if you still want to see them, but with the normal player:
         | https://uscript.mchang.xyz/yt/yt-shorts-redirect.user.js
        
         | satvikpendem wrote:
         | A combination of Enhancer for YouTube and PocketTube allows you
         | to do this, you can auto convert shorts to normal videos you
         | can scroll through with the former, and with the latter, you
         | can filter out shorts in your subscriptions.
        
         | unforgivenpasta wrote:
         | These are the uBlock Origin filters i use for blocking shorts
         | ! YT Homepage - Hide the Shorts section       youtube.com##[is-
         | shorts]       ! YT Menu - Hide the Shorts button
         | www.youtube.com###guide [title="Shorts"], .ytd-mini-guide-
         | entry-renderer[title="Shorts"]       ! YT Search - Hide Shorts
         | www.youtube.com##ytd-search ytd-video-renderer [overlay-
         | style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytd-video-renderer)       ! YT Search
         | and Channels - Hide the Shorts sections
         | www.youtube.com##ytd-reel-shelf-renderer       ! YT Channels -
         | Hide the Shorts tab       www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-
         | subtype="channels"] [role="tab"]:nth-of-type(3):has-
         | text(Shorts)       ! YT Subscriptions - Hide Shorts - Grid View
         | www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-
         | grid-video-renderer [overlay-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytd-grid-
         | video-renderer)       ! YT Subscriptions - Hide Shorts - List
         | View       www.youtube.com##ytd-browse[page-
         | subtype="subscriptions"] ytd-video-renderer [overlay-
         | style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytd-item-section-renderer)       ! YT
         | Sidebar - Hide Shorts       www.youtube.com###related ytd-
         | compact-video-renderer [overlay-style="SHORTS"]:upward(ytd-
         | compact-video-renderer)
         | 
         | I think these were on the uBlockOrigin subreddit, couldn't find
         | the post
        
       | balaji1 wrote:
       | Does anyone like seeing a video (usually clickbaity title and
       | thumbnail) but with super low view count?
       | 
       | I only want to see if such a video is coming from a channel I
       | explicitly subscribe to (friends usually).
        
       | hollerith wrote:
       | I would use (and contribute to) a system like this for HN
       | headlines (where of course thumbnails would not be needed).
        
       | 0cVlTeIATBs wrote:
       | This looks great; I'm only worried that this might change my
       | habit of specifically avoiding clickbait, so I might no longer
       | send that negative signal.
        
         | worldsavior wrote:
         | You control your mind. You don't want clickbait? You don't need
         | an extension. Control your own.
        
           | linster wrote:
           | You'd be a highly effective addictions councillor, especially
           | for physical dependence
        
           | ranting-moth wrote:
           | Most people are on autopilot most of the time.
        
         | okigan wrote:
         | Don't worry, they tryout different titles and will see that
         | content matters more than title.
        
         | autoexec wrote:
         | Yeah, I do a pretty good job already at avoiding garbage but
         | every once in a while I'm caught by surprise. Still, for me at
         | least it's not worth sending a list of every video I
         | watch/search for to a third party and also cloudflare. If this
         | gets popular I could also see it being used maliciously, but it
         | is an interesting idea at least.
        
         | unforgivenpasta wrote:
         | Since watchtime is a major contributor to the algorithm, it
         | might be the opposite if you click out of the video fast enough
        
         | ajayyy wrote:
         | Sending a negative signal doesn't seem to be working :)
        
           | shortcake27 wrote:
           | Negative signals don't seem to work on any platform.
           | Instagram has a "don't suggest posts like this" which does
           | absolutely nothing. The only thing which kind of works is
           | "Don't recommend channel" (YT) / "Don't suggest posts from
           | this user" (Instagram). However, on Instagram this option
           | only appears occasionally. In most cases I don't get this
           | option, so I need to click through to their profile to block
           | them. By clicking through to their profile it sends a strong
           | signal to Instagram that I want to see more content like the
           | account I just blocked, so my feed starts filling up with
           | garbage. Writing this makes me realise I need to quit, but
           | it's difficult.
        
         | foxbyte wrote:
         | Yeah but don't worry too much about changing your habits, just
         | continue to be selective and critical in your consumption.
         | Remember that it's all about finding a balance between staying
         | informed and maintaining your personal preferences, right?
        
       | charcircuit wrote:
       | Good marketing is not inherently clickbait. YouTube already
       | solved clickbait in how videos are punished for getting bad watch
       | time.
        
         | joemi wrote:
         | I agree with your first sentence, but I don't think I agree
         | with your second sentence (namely "solved").
        
           | charcircuit wrote:
           | More specifically they solved the "bad" form of click bait
           | where people click on a video and it turns out to be
           | something they did not want despite the thumbnail and title
           | being attractive.
        
       | hrdwdmrbl wrote:
       | Fun! In an ideal world it would be better to use ML to recognize
       | the faces, arrows, etc. A first pass could blur them. In a real
       | ideal world the ML would watch the video and give it better
       | titles and thumbnails too! Sadly we live in the real world .
       | Maybe in 2030
        
         | el_isma wrote:
         | You could generate titles from the subtitles! Even auto-
         | generated subtitles are pretty good nowadays, feed it to AI and
         | get it to summarize them in one phrase?
        
         | basch wrote:
         | Whatever solution needs to be at the network layer to capture
         | android tv, Apple TV, Roku, Xbox etc.
         | 
         | Having it be a chrome extension only fixes the problem for a
         | computer, not everyone in a household.
         | 
         | And realistically, it would be nice to extend way beyond
         | YouTube, rewriting all headlines on all articles with a
         | community sourced patch list you can scroll through and upvote
         | the best variant of each title. And then rewrite the articles
         | to remove repetition. Combine articles that say the same thing.
         | 
         | I can almost imagine a web browser, that when it invests a
         | page, uses what it can take from the page to update an internal
         | store of that story with new information.
        
         | ajayyy wrote:
         | Behold, a perfect training set :)
         | 
         | https://sponsor.ajay.app/database
        
       | simlevesque wrote:
       | I really appreciate your work ! How can I donate ?
        
         | ajayyy wrote:
         | https://dearrow.ajay.app/donate/ :)
        
           | simlevesque wrote:
           | Done ! I can't give much right now but you've saved me so
           | much time.
        
       | joemi wrote:
       | It's kind of odd to me that the two examples shown on the page
       | are from creators who aren't really all that clickbaity, CGP Grey
       | and Tom Scott. Their videos typically _are_ what the title says,
       | maybe with a slight bit of poetic license, and their thumbnails
       | are eye catching but relevant and not too egregious.
        
         | shortcake27 wrote:
         | Veritasium has a video about this and I've seen other creators
         | like GothamChess and maybe even Tom Scott talk about how they
         | have to create clickbait thumbnails otherwise they get no
         | views. The YouTube algorithm punishes creators who don't use
         | clickbait.
         | 
         | https://youtube.com/watch?v=fHsa9DqmId8
        
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           | ortusdux wrote:
           | Linus as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRGBAUz5mA
           | 
           | They claim that they only create clickbait because the
           | platform requires it, but that argument is undercut a bit by
           | the fact that they use the same playbook on floatplane.
        
         | _gabe_ wrote:
         | I think this is a definition thing, because I agree with you,
         | but the author's comment below seems to imply clickbait is
         | anything that looks flashy. I found this definition when
         | googling "what is clickbait" and I like it:
         | 
         | > Clickbait is a sensationalized headline that encourages you
         | to click a link to an article, image, or video. Instead of
         | presenting objective facts, clickbait headlines often appeal to
         | your emotions and curiosity. Once you click, the website
         | hosting the link earns revenue from advertisers, but the actual
         | content is usually of questionable quality and accuracy.
         | Websites use clickbait to draw in as many clicks as possible,
         | thus increasing their ad revenue.[0]
         | 
         | In Tom Scott's case, the video thumbnails look flashy but are
         | accurate and representative of the video.
         | 
         | I think a good example of clickbait vs non-clickbait according
         | to this definition would be Jazza vs NerdForge. I stopped
         | watching Jazza because he would put great looking art in the
         | thumbnail slightly blurred out, and the actual video would be
         | about everything except that artwork. Whereas Nerdforge will
         | show a huge piece of beautiful art, and that's what the whole
         | video is about.
         | 
         | Just because someone presents their work well doesn't mean it's
         | clickbait. And this is an age old problem, it's the reason we
         | have the idiom "don't judge a book by its cover". I appreciate
         | the effort people like Tom Scott, Sebastian Lague, and
         | Nerdforge put into their thumbnails, because a picture is worth
         | 1000 words and they use their thumbnails to paint that picture.
         | 
         | [0]: https://edu.gcfglobal.org/en/thenow/what-is-clickbait/1/#
        
         | ajayyy wrote:
         | This was a purposeful choice to demonstrate the extent of the
         | clickbait/sensationalism problem. Both channels have only
         | changed their thumbnail and title style in the last few months,
         | and previously had great titles and thumbnails.
         | 
         | Edit: To clarify, when I say "clickbait" here, I am using it as
         | a neutral term referring to any materials used to convince
         | someone to click on a link. I understand that it is kind of a
         | loaded term and it is not used anywhere in the extension itself
         | because of this.
         | 
         | The title of this post seems to be taken from the satire title
         | on my YouTube video demo. If you install the plugin and view
         | the video from there, there is a better title. It was meant as
         | a demo of the extension.
        
           | suddenclarity wrote:
           | Looking at Tom Scott now I don't really see it. Most of the
           | thumbnails seems to be him next to the object, an arrow
           | highlighting it and a short fact about it. On the contrary,
           | seeing the submarine in the thumbnail with this plugin kinda
           | spoil the ending of his video.
        
             | progbits wrote:
             | He's retroactively changed thumbnails to match this new
             | style.
             | 
             | Edit: this video shows the old and new styles:
             | https://youtu.be/CcyTzhrN6bM
        
           | eddythompson80 wrote:
           | I like more descriptive titles! Don't know if I agree about
           | the thumbnail though. Replacing a "You won't believe what
           | they do here!!" with "A tour of X facility where Y is
           | produced plus an interview with Z" is much better. It's more
           | expressive, easier to find what you're looking for, and
           | overall a definitive improvement for the viewer.
           | 
           | However, I'm not sure a random screenshot, or any still frame
           | from the middle of a video is a better replacement for a
           | custom thumbnail.
           | 
           | The only benefit I see of something like that is to
           | explicitly reduce irritation of stupid thumbnails, not to
           | improve your ability to find content you care for. And if you
           | get emotionally worked up enough because of stupid youtube
           | thumbnails that you must change them to something that's
           | obviously just as random, you might need more meditation.
           | It's just youtube, it's not worth it.
        
             | ajayyy wrote:
             | The plugin supports replacing only titles if you prefer.
        
           | Nathan2055 wrote:
           | While I'm just as annoyed about the clickbait problem as
           | everyone else, it is worth noting that it's hard to blame it
           | on the individual YouTubers. If you don't follow whatever the
           | algorithm demands that given week, you're unlikely to get
           | very many views at all. Even subscription notifications are
           | fed into the algorithm now, and YouTube has been proven to be
           | perfectly willing to not send out notifications for videos it
           | seems unworthy. This even affects subscribers who turned the
           | bell on, a feature that was supposedly released to mitigate
           | the first time they implemented that change by supposedly
           | offering an "always force notifications for this channel's
           | uploads" option, but YouTube's guidance now says that the
           | bell only guarantees receiving all _notifications_ generated
           | by a channel while also stating that not all _uploads_ will
           | generate a notification.[1]
           | 
           | Linus Tech Tips famously ran an experiment several years ago
           | (and I believe have rerun it a few times since then) and
           | determined that, even though they hated doing it, videos
           | which used clickbait titles and thumbnails got consistently
           | got 20% higher engagement than ones that didn't use
           | clickbait.[2] I've also heard anecdotal numbers even higher
           | than that, and there's a knock-on effect as YouTube tends to
           | promote channels with consistently high performance way more
           | frequently (this is why big Game Theory uploads instantly and
           | consistently show up in everyone's recommendations).
           | 
           | This isn't a complaint about your tool at all, don't
           | misunderstand me. I just wanted to point out that most of
           | these big channels are their creator's primary business, and
           | it's gotten very difficult to be successful at YouTube
           | without resorting to algorithm tricks like these.
           | 
           | [1]: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3382248
           | 
           | [2]: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DzRGBAUz5mA
           | 
           | Edit: Ah, yeah, I missed your "It's no one's fault. It's a
           | system that creates a race to the bottom." text on the page.
           | You already probably know all of this.
           | 
           | I will add an addendum in response to "Many have even started
           | going through their entire backlog, changing old titles and
           | thumbnails to be more attention grabbing and vague." because
           | I actually know how that got started.
           | 
           | About a year or two ago, the late great Minecraft streamer
           | Technoblade ran into an issue where it turned out that one of
           | the community-made thumbnails on one of his videos had used
           | traced art. He quickly sourced a replacement piece and
           | updated the thumbnail, but then quickly noticed something
           | interesting happen: YouTube treated the thumbnail update
           | almost like a new upload, and that video showed back up in
           | people's recommendations, accordingly with a massive bump in
           | views. He tried this with a few other videos, sometimes
           | changing the title as well, and got similar results.
           | 
           | Other YouTubers began to copy this strategy, and it was
           | ultimately discovered that updating the title or thumbnail
           | caused Google to "re-crunch" the video in terms of the
           | algorithm, and applying the most popular current title and
           | thumbnail styles were led to a serious increase in
           | recommendations and views, even if the video was several
           | years old by that point. Many YouTubers began to abuse this,
           | updating their videos with "modern" metadata stylings, and
           | since then it's become standard practice for big YouTubers
           | and has led to a serious increase in growth for them.
           | 
           | Once again, it's an algorithm problem and not an individual
           | YouTuber problem, but that's what started the most recent
           | trend of editing the metadata on old videos rather than just
           | applying it to new uploads.
        
           | joemi wrote:
           | I guess I haven't noticed any difference, and what I see on
           | their channels today isn't what I consider clickbait. IMO
           | it's at least a step or two from clickbait.
        
         | ryanschaefer wrote:
         | CGP Grey and Tom Scott have both changed their thumbnails from
         | their previous style to new more "click-baity" ones. I'm not
         | saying it's wrong, it's just what creators have to do nowadays
         | to keep up with the state YouTube is moving toward. I think
         | this is why the extension author chose these two as an example.
        
       | Zetice wrote:
       | Artifact (a news platform mobile app) tackles this problem with
       | AI regenerating the article's title if you ask it to (and
       | reporting the ask back to its servers to save others).
        
       | globular-toast wrote:
       | This starting to annoy me too. It's not just shitty channels.
       | Even good channels are doing it because the analytics tells them
       | to.
       | 
       | General patterns:
       | 
       | - "I <verb>ed the <superlative> thing in <place>"
       | 
       | - <thing> vs <other thing>
       | 
       | - Boobs/cleavage in thumbnail
       | 
       | - Stupid face in thumbnail
       | 
       | - Large amounts of money and/or other numbers
       | 
       | I'm going to try the plugin.
        
         | mvdtnz wrote:
         | - You've been doing [obvious simple thing] wrong!
         | 
         | - NEVER do this (thumbnail of doing something clearly
         | correctly)
         | 
         | - 12 things you NEED to know before you [buy/do something
         | trivial]
        
       | kuhaku22 wrote:
       | Unfortunately, this approach cannot solve the clickbait problem,
       | because it is baked into the videos themselves. If someone is
       | using clickbait for their videos, the video itself is very likely
       | to be low quality. The rise of clickbait has led to content
       | creators doing things like exaggerating reactions,
       | misrepresenting things for views, putting on overexcited voices,
       | etc.
       | 
       | It's just the same as how the creator's previous work,
       | SponsorBlock, can only put a bandaid on things, because ad
       | incentives lead to creators padding out their videos to 10
       | minutes, causing the videos to be needlessly long and rambling.
       | Not to mention videos where the entire content itself is an
       | advertisement.
        
         | satvikpendem wrote:
         | > _the video itself is very likely to be low quality_
         | 
         | This is incorrect, lots of educational channels use clickbait
         | because otherwise they simply won't be as successful and would
         | not be able to sustain themselves. Veritasium does a video on
         | exactly this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng
        
           | jxramos wrote:
           | 3:01 they had to decrease the importance of subscribers
           | 
           | That explains a lot of the experience recently, I was
           | thinking about my old subscriptions and why they haven't made
           | a poke in a while.
           | 
           | I wonder can I make my browser redirect youtube.com to
           | actually open https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions ?
        
             | jxramos wrote:
             | found a SO post on the subject here
             | https://superuser.com/questions/351771/can-i-get-my-
             | browser-..., apparently firefox has an extension to support
             | this workflow.
             | 
             | Looks like a straightforward browser extension
             | implementation too for a content script to inject this meta
             | tag for select urls
             | 
             | https://www.w3docs.com/snippets/html/how-to-redirect-a-
             | web-p...
        
         | kruuuder wrote:
         | > If someone is using clickbait for their videos, the video
         | itself is very likely to be low quality.
         | 
         | I disagree. There are many creators that produce content that I
         | consider high quality that use clickbait thumbnails and titles.
         | If they don't, they have a disadvantage because of the metrics
         | the YouTube recommendation algorithm uses.
        
           | gunshai wrote:
           | Veritasium is a good example of this.
        
             | kruuuder wrote:
             | Yes, they also made a video about this specifically.
             | 
             | Other examples are Rick Beato and LTT.
        
         | ajayyy wrote:
         | Here is a reply I made in the past to a similar complaint
         | 
         | > It's not just the Linus Tech Tips or the Mr Beasts of the
         | world doing algorithm optimized titles and thumbnails now. Even
         | really great channels like Tom Scott, CGP Grey, and Kurzgesagt
         | are falling for the trap now.
         | 
         | > And I don't blame them! That's what's needed to survive on
         | the platform these days. It's a race to the bottom.
         | 
         | > DeArrow hopes to solve this. DeArrow puts everyone on a level
         | playing field. There is no race to the bottom since no one is
         | allowed to be algorithmically optimized. It pauses the race,
         | and let's the true best videos rise to the top.
         | 
         | While a niche extension of course can't remove all bad
         | incentives, it still brings out the videos that actually are
         | good themselves, ignoring the branding they were put in.
        
       | CodeCompost wrote:
       | Didn't work for me.
        
       | godelski wrote:
       | > It's no one's fault. It's a system that creates a race to the
       | bottom.
       | 
       | This is another way to say that it is a market of attention with
       | individual actors acting (nearly) independently but with similar
       | convergence.
       | 
       | In a way, that makes it everyone that is a "buyer's" fault. Which
       | unfortunately means this will not appeal to most people (doesn't
       | mean it isn't useful). But we've converged to selecting click
       | bait videos over non-clickbait.
       | 
       | Cliques are a weird thing. People have them memorized and will
       | roll their eyes at you if you repeat them, but this is the
       | epitome of "judging a book by its cover." Repeat it all you want,
       | but there has to be a hook. And anyone properly marketing their
       | work intentionally wants you to judge the work by the cover.
       | 
       | As a bigger issue, I think YouTube fails for "explorers" and
       | concentrates too much on "exploiters." Referring to exploration
       | vs exploitation strategies. ML models will typically do this.
       | Especially because most people are "exploiters."
        
       | atum47 wrote:
       | I spend most of my time on youtube asking it to "not recommend
       | this channel". But even youtube is decreasing in quality theses
       | days, regarding recommendations. God forbid if I search for
       | something, the next day 30% of my recommendations is about that
       | topic.
        
         | kolja005 wrote:
         | I do this as well. My experience was that after doing it for
         | long enough, none of the videos being recommended were of any
         | interest to me. This made me realize that roughly 90% of my
         | YouTube usage was viewing content I didn't actually care about.
         | I concur with others that using browser extensions that get rid
         | of recommendations and only show the search bar is the
         | healthiest way to use YouTube, at least for me. I get some FOMO
         | when doing this, but I've found that reiterating to myself that
         | my natural inquisitiveness should be enough to still find
         | interesting content on the platform when I want to seek it out.
        
         | mostlysimilar wrote:
         | Same thing if you click a YouTube link from a friend. I only
         | open them in private windows now because otherwise it wrecks my
         | recommendations, even if I tell YouTube to forget I watched it
         | or to not recommend it etc.
        
           | progbits wrote:
           | Removing it from watch history will have effect on
           | recommendations, but not immediately.
           | 
           | But yeah for a random "guilty pleasure" garbage video I use
           | incognito too, it's just faster.
        
         | zimpenfish wrote:
         | I added a whole bunch of stuff to Watch Later last week
         | because, obvs., I wanted to watch them later. Since then, those
         | exact same videos have been front and centre every day in the
         | "FOR YOU" list. I mean, well done, I guess, for thinking I
         | might want to watch videos I've specifically indicated I want
         | to watch?
        
           | Tildey wrote:
           | This infuriates me. I know the video exists, that's why it's
           | on my watch later.
           | 
           | It's like adding an item to your cart, and then having an ad
           | for it at the top of every search result.
           | 
           | Another thing I hate is if you watch a video from a playlist
           | (or the "podcasts" tab on a channel), and go into your watch
           | history to continue the video, you can't. It just shows a
           | link to the entire playlist
        
           | kbenson wrote:
           | I think I've interpreted your comment three different ways
           | _so far_ , and gotten additional insight each time. Well
           | done. :)
        
         | Bellend wrote:
         | I am convinced that music.youtube.com upvotes and downvotes are
         | irrelevant. I have been frequently using "Discover Mix" for 3
         | years. It seems pretty simple, I like dance music with no
         | lyrics. I have downvoted maybe a few thousand songs. I get the
         | usual snackbar. "We will tune your recommendations".
         | 
         | What really gets my goat is when I flip back to the browser to
         | see something I have already previously downvoted since there
         | is a "thumbs down" highlight. Whatever algorithm is being used,
         | it doesn't have the ability to not play something that has
         | previously been disliked.
         | 
         | Why I find this amazing is because if you told me to write a
         | "Discover Mix" algorithm, the first or last step of that is
         | going to be the only thing I really know. Filter out the manual
         | dislike clicks.
        
           | eddythompson80 wrote:
           | music.youtube.com can't even play a playlist on shuffle
           | correctly. I have a list with ~600 songs in it. It always
           | just picks like 14 random ones and loops through them for
           | ever.
        
           | Nathan2055 wrote:
           | It's bizarre, because I understand why YouTube recommends
           | heavily disliked videos or just things that you personally
           | are likely to dislike. Anger leads to massively increased
           | engagement, as Zuckerberg famously discovered.
           | 
           | But music? Most people don't listen or engage with music they
           | dislike, and just skip to the next track. They can't even
           | serve additional ads that way, at least as far as I know.
           | Unless they're trying to inflate some made-up "total streams
           | started" metric or something, it doesn't make any sense to
           | avoid filtering out disliked tracks. It's purely a net
           | negative for them.
        
         | mxfh wrote:
         | The could have added an option to block channels from
         | recommendations ages ago, it's by design. Especially negligent
         | with the amount of kids on the platform.
        
         | Zetice wrote:
         | Decreasing in quality relative to what? Is something you're
         | using blowing YouTube out of the water with its
         | recommendations?
        
           | asciimov wrote:
           | YouTube of a few years ago, back when discovery was more
           | important than monetization.
        
           | eddythompson80 wrote:
           | I think when people say that, which I have said before too,
           | we usually refer to previous experience with YouTube. Same
           | when I criticize Google's search quality for example. It's
           | compared to how I found it before.
           | 
           | Sure that's a bit difficult to quantify. Like for example,
           | there was a period where discovering new channels that were
           | right up my ally was something that happened once or twice a
           | week. YouTube would just recommend a really interesting video
           | from a channel I have never seen before, then I'd discover a
           | lot of content that I really enjoy.
           | 
           | Recently, I needed to cruise Reddit and other random sites
           | for recommendation. Then maybe every few months I'd come
           | across a channel that's 6 or 7 years old that's exactly the
           | stuff I watch all the time, and some how I never saw it
           | before despite searching for very similar terms before and
           | finding nothing I was interested in.
           | 
           | For example, I just discovered a channel called asianometry.
           | He's been making videos that are exactly the kind of stuff I
           | wanna listen to when I'm walking the dogs, but some how I
           | came across it by a complete accident through Reddit.
        
             | Zetice wrote:
             | Ah.
             | 
             | How do folks who compare YT with itself justify the
             | explosive growth YT has experienced in that timeframe?
        
             | Nathan2055 wrote:
             | If there's an option on whatever YouTube interface you're
             | using, try to select the "Related" section of the
             | recommendations on a video.
             | 
             | At least in my experience, that list seems to be running
             | the old algorithm that actually pulls videos related to
             | what you're currently watching, and doesn't utilize the
             | _awful_ "personalized" algorithm that just recommends that
             | same three videos over and over again.
             | 
             | The worst part is that the existence of that feed in some
             | versions of YouTube means that they're totally _capable_ of
             | offering the classic 2014-era recommendations that people
             | really liked across the board, they just...don't. For some
             | reason.
        
               | eddythompson80 wrote:
               | huh, interesting. Thanks. I never noticed it before, but
               | at least on desktop I can see the option. It doesn't seem
               | to be on iOS as far as I can tell.
        
           | _Algernon_ wrote:
           | Relative to Youtube 10 years ago. It's constant
           | enshittification[1]
           | 
           | [1]: https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-
           | doctorow/
        
           | atum47 wrote:
           | Relative to itself. I truly discovered YouTube back in 2016.
           | It recommend me Ben Eater building a computer on a breadboard
           | for instance. Great stuff. Now a days it recommends good
           | stuff once in a while, most part is irrelevant to my taste or
           | the content i watch on that account (i have two, just so
           | content don't get mixed up)
        
         | unforgivenpasta wrote:
         | I've done this to the point of getting less than a half page of
         | recommendations, only autogenerated "Mix" playlists with music
         | from 5+ years ago or almost exclusively videos from a channel i
         | recently watched or subscribed to.
         | 
         | I installed a channel blocker[1] extension to block channels
         | from ever showing up.
         | 
         | [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-
         | clean...
        
         | satvikpendem wrote:
         | Do you want recommendation? I use Distraction Free YouTube
         | which simply blocks the main page, leaving only the search bar.
         | When a video is playing, it blocks out the sidebar as well. As
         | a result, I don't see recommendations anymore at all, just my
         | subscriptions.
        
         | worrycue wrote:
         | > God forbid if I search for a something, the next day 30% of
         | my recommendations is about that topic.
         | 
         | Wipe your search (and watch) history - assuming you meant
         | YouTube Search (which is getting worse by the day but I
         | digress); Google Search at least for me doesn't affect my
         | YouTube recommendations at all.
        
       | high_pathetic wrote:
       | I've been using this
       | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/clickbait-remover-...
       | extension for quite some time. Works wonderfully.
        
         | grey_earthling wrote:
         | I also use this (but for Firefox) and I always forget quite how
         | obnoxious the "real" thumbnails are until I see YouTube on
         | another device -- it's the same disorientation as seeing a
         | browser without an ad-blocker, or an OEM Android or Windows.
         | 
         | So I guess I'm also in the "why and how do other people put up
         | with so much crap" camp :)
        
       | nfriedly wrote:
       | This is awesome! I expect there will be a ReVanced patch shortly.
        
       | halfjoking wrote:
       | Can it undo fake Anime eyes?
       | 
       | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nzlSBBVpbS4/maxresdefault.jpg
       | 
       | I actually like 'Pitch Meeting' videos - but their thumbnails are
       | the worst.
        
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