[HN Gopher] Brussels to allow installation of spyware on journal...
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       Brussels to allow installation of spyware on journalists' phones
       and laptops
        
       Author : ailef
       Score  : 24 points
       Date   : 2023-06-22 18:46 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.thetimes.co.uk)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.thetimes.co.uk)
        
       | csilverman wrote:
       | https://archive.is/JohMZ
        
       | kranke155 wrote:
       | Is Uk law any better? My impression is the UK has terrible
       | privacy laws atm.
       | 
       | And The Telegraph is notoriously antiEU and I wouldn't trust them
       | to report on a bagel in Brussels accurately
        
         | jkaplowitz wrote:
         | > Is Uk law any better? My impression is the UK has terrible
         | privacy laws atm.
         | 
         | You're quite right on this.
         | 
         | > And The Telegraph is notoriously antiEU and I wouldn't trust
         | them to report on a bagel in Brussels accurately
         | 
         | Again you're right, but what does this have to do with the
         | article we're discussing? It comes from The Times, not The
         | Telegraph. They aren't notoriously anti-EU at all, and they
         | even endorsed Remain in the Brexit referendum back in 2016. The
         | Times did just appoint a pro-Brexit person as editor in 2022,
         | but they their history isn't dominated by any particular
         | political viewpoint other than supporting the establishment.
         | Even with the new editor, their staff still spans a variety of
         | political positions across the establishment in both major UK
         | political parties.
        
       | boring_twenties wrote:
       | > France has won support for the carve out, which is justified as
       | "essential to strike a fair balance between the need to protect
       | the confidentiality of journalists' sources and the need to
       | protect citizens and the state against serious threats, whoever
       | the perpetrators may be".
       | 
       | So you mean this would only be applicable in cases of e.g.
       | imminent terrorist attacks? Or ...
       | 
       | > pirating music or video
        
         | jkaplowitz wrote:
         | The examples in the article also include such serious threats
         | as bicycle theft and ... any crime with a maximum punishment of
         | 5 years in prison, which blows the door wide open to far more
         | crimes than one can count.
         | 
         | Several other countries supported France on this - including
         | Germany, which would probably have trouble getting its own
         | Federal Constitutional Court to permit this broad of a rule,
         | since its Basic Law does include the secrecy of communications
         | as a fundamental right. (Presumably subject to some exceptions
         | like most fundamental rights, but this would be a huge
         | exception.)
         | 
         | I wonder if Germany's courts will refuse to apply this new EU
         | legislation to the extent of any conflict with Germany's Basic
         | Law. No rights guaranteed by a fundamental constitutional
         | document of a nation are truly solid if they can just be
         | overridden at the EU level. Hopefully the ECJ will not uphold
         | this EU legislation so we don't have to consider the question
         | of an override.
        
       | croes wrote:
       | So why again is China bad?
       | 
       | Seems like this time we copy from them.
        
         | m-p-3 wrote:
         | China being copied doesn't make them good.
        
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