[HN Gopher] RSS Autodiscovery (2006)
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RSS Autodiscovery (2006)
Author : mawise
Score : 114 points
Date : 2023-06-22 14:21 UTC (8 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.rssboard.org)
| superkuh wrote:
| Mozilla removing long standing support for this from Firefox was
| a clear signal what their browser is for now and what it isn't
| for. Firefox is for running javascript applications and consuming
| DRM video and visiting your bank's website, just like chrome. It
| is not a browser for surfing the web and looking at websites.
| netghost wrote:
| Honestly the RSS support in Firefox and friends was just never
| that great. A long time back I used Sage and loved it, but when
| Firefox moved to use standardized plugins it wasn't an option
| anymore.
|
| So I built Brook, it's pretty simple and hangs out in your
| sidebar on Firefox: https://github.com/adamsanderson/brook
| ilyt wrote:
| RSS is still only sane way to subscribe to youtube channel, or
| rather only way that YT managed to not break over the years
| ttepasse wrote:
| Unfortunately Youtube pushes shorts into the channels feed,
| presumably because shorts are normal videos under the hood.
|
| For a time shorts had the string "#shorts" in their titles
| which was great for filtering those out but then youtubers
| started using custom tags. And filtering for "#" seems too
| risky.
|
| I recently found out that my feedreader, Feedbin, allows a
| media_duration field in their search/action syntax. Now I'm
| using that experimentally for filtering.
|
| Sidenote: Interestingly enough Youtube's feeds don't expose
| duration. Those feeds are ancient, apparently untouched for 15
| years. The <media:content> element still advertises its videos
| as application/x-shockwave-flash. Feedbin, according to its
| code on Github, does some custom extraction of the duration
| from the Website for its data model.
|
| (Googlers who may read this: Please, for the love of god, don't
| change anything. A crappy feed is still better than no feed at
| all.)
| begriffs wrote:
| Oh yeah, gotta love the secret feed link.
| https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=$FOO
|
| I follow a number of channels this way. I'm grateful and sort
| of surprised YouTube hasn't killed it off.
| rollcat wrote:
| You don't need the "secret" feed link.
|
| You can visit a channel's page directly, and copy the normal
| URL straight into your feed reader. It will do the right
| thing - thanks to the <link> tag, which YouTube advertises in
| the page source - as recommended by TFA. Your feed reader
| already knows what to do ;)
| begriffs wrote:
| Interesting, maybe it depends on the reader. I tried a
| channel just now in newsboat and it wasn't smart enough to
| find the feed, even though I see the page contains
| <link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml"
| title="RSS" href="...">
| rollcat wrote:
| I use / have used: NetNewsWire (Mac/iOS), RSSGuard,
| Miniflux, TheOldReader.com, TinyTinyRSS, and some others
| I forgot about; I don't think I've seen one that doesn't
| support this feature. Perhaps you should open a bug /
| support request?
| dannymi wrote:
| It's in the body--but it's supposed to be in the head.
| thirdplace_ wrote:
| Related to this topic, I made a website/api that finds feeds for
| you:
|
| https://discovery.thirdplace.no/?q=vimeo.com/user4464579
|
| It's pretty rudimentary but alleviates some manual work.
| kevincox wrote:
| > Supported by Mozilla Firefox 2.0, Microsoft Internet Explorer
| 7.0 and other browsers
|
| Unfortunately not supported by Mozilla Firefox 114 or Microsoft
| Edge.
|
| It is still a very useful standard. I use
| https://github.com/Reeywhaar/want-my-rss to add the icon to my
| browser. Plus even without browser support this allows you to
| just paste an article into your Feed Reader and most will use
| autodiscovery to find the feed for you. However without a browser
| icon you need to guess and check.
| begriffs wrote:
| I still follow many RSS feeds (about 250). Sometimes it's hard to
| find the feed on a site, because the feeds aren't always
| advertised and their URLs can be tricky. Based on the URLs I've
| seen, I created a simple script to check if a site has a feed:
|
| https://github.com/begriffs/findrss
| garganzol wrote:
| I suspect that Mozilla got pushed by Google to remove the built-
| in RSS support surrounding Google+ release.
|
| See, decentralized content delivery such as RSS was not friendly
| enough to ads, so RSS had to be removed for better profits.
|
| Needless to say that it was a nail in the coffin of internet
| information quality.
| mawise wrote:
| Most modern RSS feed-readers still use this `rel=alternate` link
| to allow users to just paste the URL of the site they want to
| subscribe to instead of forcing the users to look for and find
| the RSS link somewhere on the page. It's (surprisingly) very
| broadly implemented among sites and blogs that publish RSS.
| smusamashah wrote:
| Why Chrome to this date does not support RSS while all browsers
| that came before chrome had native support to at least read RSS
| xml files. Try opening any RSS xml feed in chrome, it will appear
| as plain XML.
|
| I hold chrome responsible for decline of RSS.
| rmdes wrote:
| I'm a big fan of FreshRSS (self-hosted) and if I need more
| powerful feature (such as filtering, dedup, webhooks) I use
| Inoreader, I have been using at least one rss reader since 2003
| and there is no way silo's such as Twitter or others can do
| better than carefully curating ones own information feed.
| toastal wrote:
| I started self-hosting Miniflux as a New Year's resolution.
| Very simple layout & integrates with Newsboat.
| zevv wrote:
| Yes, oh yes, please bring this back.
|
| Firefox used to have this, I used it a lot. Am I that old?
|
| Unfortunately live bookmarks have also gone away in Firefox,
| luckily I found an add-on for that.
| kevincox wrote:
| There is an addon for this too
| https://github.com/Reeywhaar/want-my-rss (others available but
| this is what I use).
|
| Although I haven't seen an addon that handles SPA well. Ideally
| it would monitor the DOM for links being added and removed.
| Although that may be expensive to do in an extension.
| samwillis wrote:
| The '00s were such a wonderful time, the explosion in open access
| information, mashups (how I miss mashups!), easy publishing and
| the reach you could get from your sofa. RSS is the epitome of
| that, it's such a shame we have ended up with these walled garden
| social publishing platforms that lock _our_ content down.
|
| This, adding the RSS icon to the address bar, was an inspired
| move to surface discoverability. Compare that with the fight to
| get Apple to surface the availability of PWAs!
|
| The big thing that has changed since that time is the
| monetisation, these walled platforms have had to instigate
| revenue share with large creators. But still, the wish for a
| simpler more open web is in the background. There is evidence of
| a swing back that way (the fediverse, blue sky?), I just hope
| "big business" doesn't destroy it (the rumour of Facebook
| embracing the fediverse...).
|
| RSS isn't dead, it's the backbone of podcasts, but it's such a
| shame our Twitter feed, our Facebook, or even our Twitch isn't
| available as RSS.
|
| Back in '06, my "mashup" was a social feed aggregator, it gave
| you a single "homepage" with all your activity from Myspace,
| Facebook, Reddit, Digg, Flickr, and many other sites. A lot of
| that was built on RSS, and you could add any RSS fead to your
| page. Sadly it went nowhere, but I learnt a lot...
| ozarker wrote:
| I've been discovering different tools to make the content I
| consume available via RSS. Some of those tools:
|
| nitter: Alternative Twitter frontend that provides RSS feeds
|
| teddit: Alternative Reddit frontend that provides RSS feeds
| (Reddit itself still has RSS feeds, we'll see how that plays
| out though)
|
| rss-bridge: Can generate feeds for a ton of different sites. I
| use it for Twitch feeds.
|
| invidious: Alternative YouTube frontend that provides RSS feeds
|
| It's been refreshing to subscribe to the feeds I want to see
| and not have "recommended" content stepping all over what I
| want to see. Recent trends make me worried some of these
| services are going to go away in the near future though.
| nanna wrote:
| Let's not forget https://hnrss.org for hacker news :)
|
| Anyone know a way to pull email lists (eg mailman) via RSS
| feeds?
| polygamous_bat wrote:
| "Kill the newsletter!" at https://kill-the-newsletter.com/
| is one of my favorite tools that does exactly what you're
| asking for!
| WirelessGigabit wrote:
| I just use https://news.ycombinator.com/rss
|
| Best of both words. Allows me to go to the article and the
| comments.
| jjordan wrote:
| Shout-out to the Livemarks / Foxish plugins which gives you
| RSS support on your Bookmarks toolbar. Still nothing better
| IMO for quickly browsing dozens of headlines across dozens of
| sites.
|
| Firefox: https://github.com/nt1m/livemarks/ Chrome:
| https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/foxish-live-
| rss/nb...
| flir wrote:
| > rss-bridge: Can generate feeds for a ton of different
| sites. I use it for Twitch feeds.
|
| Now that sounds handy. Extensible, too.
| ittner wrote:
| > rss-bridge: Can generate feeds for a ton of different
| sites. I use it for Twitch feeds.
|
| A bit of a shameless self-promotion plug: rss-bridge is great
| but I wanted to do the same from a command line program
| sending the output to stdout and without running a dedicated
| local web server, so I wrote newslinkrss (
| https://github.com/ittner/newslinkrss/ )
|
| It allowed me to replace a bunch of dedicated scripts at the
| cost of some complex command lines. It works pretty well for
| people who prefer desktop news readers to web-based ones.
|
| Feedback is welcome.
| ecliptik wrote:
| I have nitter, teddit, and piped setup similarly and it's
| game changing having it all available through RSS.
| nordsieck wrote:
| > invidious: Alternative YouTube frontend that provides RSS
| feeds
|
| Youtube natively offers per-channel rss feeds.
| ozarker wrote:
| You're right It's there but they don't make it easy to get
| a feed. I also like having a single feed with new vids from
| every channel I'm subscribed to on invidious which I don't
| think is possible on YouTube
| ixwt wrote:
| They do, kinda.
|
| You have to go looking for it. In my testing only provides
| the latest few videos, not the entire back catalog. But I
| have a naive understanding of the RSS protocol I didn't see
| how to get more because they didn't expose a "next" link
| for the RSS feed.
| [deleted]
| aaronax wrote:
| The only place I have ever seen a "next" link for an RSS
| feed is WordPress. Sort of a pagination thing you can do
| with the URL.
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