[HN Gopher] Dreamfall: An experiment in hypnagogic dreaming
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Dreamfall: An experiment in hypnagogic dreaming
Author : dnetesn
Score : 46 points
Date : 2023-06-15 10:19 UTC (1 days ago)
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| _Microft wrote:
| There's a tutorial how to build the device that monitors the
| onset of sleep ("Dormio", version 3"):
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| https://makezine.com/projects/dormio-dream-incubator/
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| And here I think I dug up the details and schematics of the
| Dormio hardware prototype:
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| https://web.archive.org/web/20221007074902/https://www.fab.c...
| antonkar wrote:
| "A user wears a glove-like device with sensors. These sensors
| collect biosignals from the hand to measure changes in muscle
| tone, heart rate, and skin conductance. In past research, all of
| these biosignals have been shown to change during the transition
| from wakefulness to sleep. When the biosignals signal the onset
| of sleep, a timer of a few minutes starts. At the end of the
| timer, an audio recording is played to ask the user for a dream
| report, bringing the wearer back into wakefulness, but ideally
| not into full wakefulness. We record everything the user says
| during their dream report, which could be useful for users to
| play back later to avoid forgetting a potentially useful idea.
| Following their dream report, the system then plays an audio cue,
| reminding the wearer to think of certain words (like "fork" or
| "rabbit"), in the hopes of integrating the cued topic into their
| next set of dreams. The user then drifts back to sleep, with the
| cue in mind. In our laboratory testing, we have found that the
| cued words reliably entered the hypnagogic dreams of our users.
| The system continues to track the state (awake or asleep) of the
| user, repeating the process described above of waking them up
| after a few minutes of sleep to collect a dream report. This
| protocol is carried out repeatedly to guide dreams and collect
| dream reports." https://www.media.mit.edu/projects/sleep-
| creativity/overview...
| Sparkyte wrote:
| dream inception? no
|
| external dream manipulation? probably under certain
| circumstances.
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| not an expert but you can't ENTER a person's dream, this falls
| into the category of gemstones having healing powers.
| __ryan__ wrote:
| "Inception" is frequently misunderstood to mean entering other
| people's dreams or having multiple layers of dreams.
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| In the movie, they of course have the technology to do these
| things, but it's usually used for "extraction": stealing
| information and ideas from one's subconscious by infiltrating
| their dreams.
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| "Inception", as used in the movie, is just the opposite of
| "extraction": to plant an idea in someone's subconscious by
| infiltrating their dreams.
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| So while I think it's a stretch, it's not as bad as suggesting
| that people can commingle in dreams.
| nestorD wrote:
| This is about a poet using technology (the dormio) to experiment
| with dream seeding: reading a sentence then going to sleep and
| have the dormio wake you up when you are done with the dreaming
| phase so that you can take notes on what you dreamt.
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| Dream seeding does work in the sense that what you do / read
| before going to bed / during the day can influence you dreams. It
| is however limited in the sense that you cannot predict what your
| mind will do at a particular point in time with a particular
| seed.
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| I would also note that some creators (such as Nikola Tesla if I
| remember correctly) played with a low tech version of this:
| thinking about an idea then sleeping in a chair with a heavy ball
| in your hand. When you get into deep sleep the ball falls and
| wakes you up. This keeps you at the edge of deep sleep, in what
| some consider a very creative state.
| ranting-moth wrote:
| I learned about hypnopompia and hypnagogia a few years ago and
| finally found and explanation to absurd situations in my
| childhood.
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| If you've ever been awake but still encountered dream like
| absurdness, I'd highly recommend reading the two articles below.
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| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia
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| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnopompia
| tambourine_man wrote:
| Safari won't load some of the images in this page.
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| Looking at them, it seems they are serving HEIF with PNG
| extensions here:
| https://assets.nautil.us/sites/3/nautilus/aoQtV2D6-French_HE...
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| Even though
| https://assets.nautil.us/sites/3/nautilus/aoQtV2D6-French_HE...
| is a true PNG
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| Chrome seems to ignore the extension and just reads the file
| dang wrote:
| The project page is here: https://www.willdowd.net/dreamfall.
| (I've also nicked its title to replace the OP's less informative
| one.)
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