[HN Gopher] ASRock Brings 56-Core Xeon W3400 to Deep MicroATX
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ASRock Brings 56-Core Xeon W3400 to Deep MicroATX
Author : rbanffy
Score : 48 points
Date : 2023-06-15 08:24 UTC (1 days ago)
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| pm2222 wrote:
| I am more interested in a mini pc with amd 7940hx.
| CyberDildonics wrote:
| This article is about MicroATX and a 56-Core Xeon
| qwertox wrote:
| I'm unhappy with the spacing between the PCIe slots, since many
| graphics cards are dual slot cards, which means that only the
| lower slot could be used without obstructing the other ones. Then
| there's the issue with ventilation, if, for example, you choose
| to use the remaining slots for 4x or 2x nvme adapter cards (4
| times or 2 times 4-lane nvme cards). That huge limitation only
| for the smaller form factor really hurts.
| noncoml wrote:
| Price?
| kjs3 wrote:
| The motherboard looks to be around US$800. The processors look
| to be (list) around US$1k for a 16/32 and run up to US$12k for
| a 96/192.
| hknapp wrote:
| ASRock is the only company that consistently pushes the limits in
| smaller form factors
| rewmie wrote:
| I'm not sure that's right. Does ASRock have any product in the
| miniPC market? All I see are brands like Beelink and
| Minisforum, and they shove Ryzen5/7/9 and Core i5/i7/i9 in
| boxes similar to raspberry pis.
| hknapp wrote:
| I was talking more of mini itx and micro atx form factors.
| E.g.:
|
| https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=X.
| ..
|
| https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k8KhP6/asrock-
| motherboard-x...
|
| But they do have a smaller platform:
|
| https://www.asrock.com/microsite/DeskMini/#About
| rewmie wrote:
| Mini itx is over two decades old.
|
| micro atx is even older.
|
| Did ASRock had anything to do with any of the standards?
|
| Meanwhile, any product being sold by the likes of Beelink
| and Minisforum is far smaller than any of those standard.
| The board alone is about a quarter of that area.
|
| Why do you claim that ASRock pushes any form of boundaries
| in small form factor PCs?
| FootballMuse wrote:
| If you are thinking SFF in terms of smaller than itx,
| then no, not really.
|
| If you think creating a new form factor that others want
| to standardize means pushing boundries, then no.
|
| Beelink and Minisforum don't sell motherboards. They sell
| barebone PCS with soldered on CPUs. And certainly not
| anything in the HEDT space. So they are in a completely
| different category IMO.
|
| But utilizing the existing standards of itx/mini-atx (or
| nearly so), ASRock is far and away a leader in this
| genre. They are packing so many features into these form
| factors that few, if any, are able or willing to
| replicate.
| bitbckt wrote:
| Their creativity in these board designs is fun to watch. They
| have managed to pack so much into that board area, given a
| little stretch outside the standards. It's a shame Mini-ATX
| never really caught on.
|
| It must be an interesting culture over there to allow these
| sorts of designs to get to the retail market outside of their
| chassis, in comparison to, e.g., SuperMicro WIO designs that
| don't really fit anything but SM chassis.
| imiric wrote:
| I love them specifically for their server motherboards. Very
| innovative designs with a variety of chipset support and form
| factors. Well built, reliable, featureful, and relatively
| inexpensive. They're eating into Supermicro's dominance in the
| market.
| titzer wrote:
| This is a really cool board! But, it's bizarre that it has a VGA
| connector and no HDMI.
| toast0 wrote:
| I've yet to see servers with anything other than VGA. PS/2
| keyboard connectors are going away (this one doesn't have one),
| but there'e too many crash carts built around vga to change for
| the moment.
| bitbckt wrote:
| That's for the IPMI.
| accrual wrote:
| Surely VGA is simpler to implement than VGA and doesn't carry
| the burden of HDMI licensing requirements. It's common to see
| VGA and PS/2 connectors on server boards. A little bit
| fuzziness on the console output isn't going to stop a sysadmin
| from getting work done. :)
| [deleted]
| Clamchop wrote:
| It's just that displays have been omitting vga inputs for a
| while now.
| toast0 wrote:
| For a crash cart, you can pick up a vga capable display at
| your local thrift store for $20. The specs barely matter,
| it just needs to work enough to get the network management
| back online.
| parshimers wrote:
| At least on the crash carts I've used, the displays were
| always VGA. Not sure if that's still the case. I'm not sure
| why.
| accrual wrote:
| If I was building a crash cart today (without knowing the
| environment) I'd have at least VGA, DVI, HDMI, and
| DisplayPort as options. It wouldn't be too difficult to
| get a monitor or setup (adapters) to support them all,
| especially if one just needs to buy a couple for the
| datacenter or whatever.
| accrual wrote:
| A CPU socket so dense there is a moire pattern in the image.
| khaki54 wrote:
| Looks interesting, not sure what "deep" MicroATX is other than
| being out of spec for MicroATX by about 19 sq. inches. I like the
| high core count of the Xeon processors but 15x price premium over
| top of the line desktop/or enthusiast CPUs is hard to justify for
| anything outside large corporation or research activity.
|
| Old hotness: Building a computer in a huge EATX case with lots of
| room to work, multi-gpu SLI, and massive airflow for overclocking
| that fits (12) 3.5" HDD.
|
| New hotness: Building a computer in custom mini/microatx form
| factor w/ watercooling and massive amount of cores and memory
| running nearly silent
| bee_rider wrote:
| I did a mini ATX build, it is a good way to get some of the old
| fashioned PC building flavor: Working with terribly un-
| ergonomic cases, and worrying about compatibility issues.
| rejectfinite wrote:
| Big case + noctua fans is silent too. 0 pump noise. 0 mess with
| water cooling.
| nickstinemates wrote:
| > running nearly silent
|
| That's the play.
| accrual wrote:
| One benefit of tinnitus is that I appreciate white noise, so
| a silent PC is no longer my goal. I still want well-made fans
| (Noctua, Be Quiet) but the sound of air wooshing through my
| PC is welcome!
| TrainedMonkey wrote:
| My play was always to build big cases with water-cooling +
| low speed fan radiator sandwich for near silence.
|
| Next gen play is to accomplish near silence in a much form
| factor because super towers take a lot of space and moving
| them sucks.
| rch wrote:
| Have you investigated single phase dielectric liquid
| immersion?
| TrainedMonkey wrote:
| Yeah, back when I was into overclocking I looked at
| exotic methods such as chillers, thermo electric, and
| liquid submersion. The latter one was interesting way of
| building fully passive systems due to heat diffusion +
| lightning effects that looks amazing... the downside is
| weight and having your PC in the aquarium. With chillers
| / thermo electric, sizing is a problem because modern
| overclocked CPUs require monstrous amount of power, which
| means hugely overbuilt and noisy chillers. Thermo
| electric requires a lot of power + dedicated water
| cooling setup... was not really worth it for me.
| codetrotter wrote:
| Tbh the three main things that suck about desktop computers
| for me are:
|
| - lots of cables everywhere
|
| - when you bring it with you on travels it feels like it's
| gonna fall apart internally
|
| - external monitor is difficult to safely bring as well.
| (This one is a problem with the laptop as well because I
| still use an external monitor there.)
| imtringued wrote:
| External monitor depends on the stand. If the stand is
| adjustable it most likely can't be disassembled in a way
| that saves space. I have a normal 19 inch monitor that
| fits in a backpack because the stand can be disassembled
| into two components.
| rejectfinite wrote:
| Powerful desktop + cheaper laptop to remote into it or
| just use. Some cloud service or server for sync. easy.
| Why are you trying to do something desktop is not
| designed for?
| nickstinemates wrote:
| This is why I have always been a fan of my work flow
| being based around thin clients.
|
| You should be able to access your data, projects,
| anything from anywhere. Then the desktop vs. laptop is a
| matter of comfort/circumstance.
|
| My toolkit for this now involved tailscale for network,
| nfs/smb shares for data access, and vscode/neovim for
| programming.
|
| It's incredibly powerful
| neilv wrote:
| > _when you bring it with you on travels it feels like
| it's gonna fall apart internally_
|
| If I had a take a critical desktop-sized PC traveling,
| I'd consider building it in a rackmount 4U chassis,
| adding additional bracing (e.g., to keep big GPUs from
| wrenching on the PCIe and board, and for general chassis
| flex), and bolt it into a shock-reducing rackmount flight
| case when not at home.
|
| But I'm trying to stick to just lugging around a vintage
| ThinkPad, and keeping anything larger in self-hosted
| servers or at cloud providers.
| imtringued wrote:
| Or you just get a micro ATX motherboard and a case that
| mounts it horizontally.
| redroyal wrote:
| What is this deep Micro ATX and ITX form factor? I can't find any
| cases for it, they've made a proprietary standard we need to take
| a dremel to a regular case to make fit. Anyway why not Genoa?
| Who's buying Intel today?
| bitbckt wrote:
| I've built machines around these "deep" form factor boards in
| both Fractal Node 804 and Coolermaster NR200 cases. They fit
| fine, no surgery required.
|
| As to the latter question, until/unless AMD updates TR Pro,
| this is the only HEDT option in the DDR5/PCI-e 5.0 era. Whether
| that matters to you and your needs is another question
| entirely.
| matja wrote:
| ASRockRack make a deep MicroATX Genoa and EATX/EEB boards
| too, which can take up to the 128 core Bergamo EPYC, or the
| high-frequency "F"-SKUs : https://www.asrockrack.com/general/
| productdetail.asp?Model=G...
| bitbckt wrote:
| Yup. I personally find those to be a waste of PCI-e lanes
| in the smaller form factors, but my purposes are based
| around I/O more than thread count. To that end, I'm on a
| Milan frequency-optimized SKU in my current workstation,
| and an ATX board with access to all of the lanes the CPU
| offers.
|
| That said, with PCI-e 5.0, a little board like this has a
| LOT of bandwidth.
| redroyal wrote:
| Yes but there is no mounting screw for the last screw on the
| 804 and you have to ditch the SSD tray on the NR200. You
| can't say something is like a standard, it either is
| compliant or not, since everyone else designs based on
| assumptions from the specification
|
| HEDT is also a make believe standard to run a pricing ladder
| against desktop processors for those who can't afford
| workstation parts
| toast0 wrote:
| > You can't say something is like a standard, it either is
| compliant or not,
|
| Ok, deep mATX isn't mATX compliant. It's been said. But
| still, it _is_ like mATX, but longer. I tend to prefer
| bigger cases, but mATX boards fit in them, and deep mATX
| would too.
| Dylan16807 wrote:
| > HEDT is also a make believe standard to run a pricing
| ladder against desktop processors for those who can't
| afford workstation parts
|
| There are no current gen AMD workstation parts either.
| bitbckt wrote:
| What a strange hill to die on. Just don't buy the boards?
| redroyal wrote:
| Well it's a variant of bait and switch and the impression
| that they fitted the design into a standard small form
| factor is false. Anyone who buys this is in for a world
| of hurt
| bitbckt wrote:
| Having been that very person several times, I guess my
| anecdata is different from yours.
| [deleted]
| Avlin67 wrote:
| this is dope with a quadro watercooled and high performance
| watercooling
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