[HN Gopher] Four children found alive in Amazon 40 days after pl...
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Four children found alive in Amazon 40 days after plane crash
Author : sjcsjc
Score : 215 points
Date : 2023-06-10 12:46 UTC (10 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.bbc.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.bbc.com)
| Solvency wrote:
| I was vaguely tracking this through Reddit for a while, and I
| thought the consensus was that they falsely claimed they found
| the children and it turned out to be a big political lie. Glad to
| hear it finally happened.
| jeromegv wrote:
| Who's they? Surely if politicians claimed they found them, I'd
| be in the news?
| flashback2199 wrote:
| From reading this article, it sounded like they found the
| general area where they were, but it took a while to actually
| find them because they kept moving
| chrisbrandow wrote:
| If true, this is a great demonstration of the advice to
| stay put when lost in the wilderness.
| meowzor wrote:
| They had claimed they were found before this, but they
| retracted it. This time they did find them.
|
| Edit: I believe the president is the one that tweeted it the
| first time, and he retracted.
| Kalkaline wrote:
| "The president came under criticism last month when a tweet
| published on his account mistakenly announced that the
| children had been found.
|
| He erased the tweet the next day saying that the information
| - which his office had been given by Colombia's child welfare
| agency - could not be confirmed." quote from the article this
| thread is about.
| karaterobot wrote:
| There's another article linked at the bottom of that article
| that talks about how the president had mistakenly claimed
| they'd been found a month ago, and had to retract it. Maybe
| that's what you're remembering.
| 11235813213455 wrote:
| There's much food around in a forest, from fruit, insects,
| plants. What's important is to figure which one are edible, and
| avoid injuries
| therealdrag0 wrote:
| > The bodies of the three adults were found at the crash site by
| the army, but it appeared that the children had escaped the
| wreckage and wandered into the rainforest to find help.
|
| PSA I'm no expert but as a kid I was taught to stay where you
| were if you got lost. And this seems to demonstrate that.
| kramerger wrote:
| Finally since good news :)
|
| Surprised that a 13 years old was able to take care of 3 small
| children in a jungle full of snakes and jaguars for 40 days. How
| was he able to keep the toddler alive? What do you feed someone
| that young in a jungle??
| jlg23 wrote:
| > She said the eldest of the four siblings was used to looking
| after the other three when their mother was at work, and that
| this helped them survive in the jungle.
|
| > "She gave them flour and cassava bread, any fruit in the
| bush, they know what they must consume," Ms Valencia said in
| footage obtained by EVN.
| sveme wrote:
| SHE. The two elder sisters kept the two younger ones alive.
| They knew what to eat in the jungle and used some of the
| randomly dropped emergency kits.
| alienfromearth wrote:
| [flagged]
| smallerfish wrote:
| > Surprised that a 13 years old was able to take care of 3
| small children in a jungle full of snakes and jaguars for 40
| days
|
| FTA: "The children belong to the Huitoto indigenous group."
|
| I.e. they're used to living on the land. Snakes are a concern
| if you're unwary in the jungle, but if you are somewhat aware
| of your surroundings you'll be OK. Jaguars are probably a
| different story, but I guess luckily they weren't in the
| territory of any animals.
| looofooo wrote:
| Well Jaguars are very limited in numbers. So of falling risk
| to be eaten by one of them is low. If it would be high, then
| there are to many and hence they would decline due to lack of
| food soon. Plus human is not in their hunting scheme and
| rather offsetting smell.
| BasedAnon wrote:
| You shouldn't be, 13 year olds have complex reasoning and the
| physical capability. 14 year olds used to be expected to fight
| wars.
| Cyph0n wrote:
| Definitely not a normal 13 year old. Taking care of a 1 year
| old in ideal conditions is already a challenge (even for an
| adult!), but doing so in the Amazon for over a month is a
| different ballgame. Also, the older siblings' mental state
| must have been all over the place.
| karaterobot wrote:
| What do you mean by normal? Having an adolescence centered
| around indulgence and freedom from responsibility was not
| the norm anywhere, historically, and is not the norm in
| many places today. Waiting until adulthood to learn
| practical skills (whatever those might be) is a little
| weird, if you think about it.
| Cyph0n wrote:
| "Normal" as in, if you take a random 13 year old off the
| street and throw them into the Amazon with their younger
| siblings, they wouldn't be able to keep a 1 year old
| alive for a month.
|
| I'm not talking about history. I'm talking about the
| current state of the world.
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| Its not likely a random 33 year old would fare better to
| be honest
| the_jesus_villa wrote:
| I read a bunch of your comments and you seem like a very
| erudite person. Is there a way I can contact you?
| BasedAnon wrote:
| I appreciate that. You can find me on Discord with the name
| AbuSnood#6321
| furyofantares wrote:
| I'd be surprised if a 30yo could keep a 1, 4, and 9 alive in
| the jungle for 40 days.
| dahfizz wrote:
| A 30yo with no experience in the outdoors, maybe
| briga wrote:
| Big difference between a 30 year old westerner who's never
| been more than 500m from a paved highway and is afraid of
| spiders and a 13-year-old indigenous child who grew up in
| the jungle
| furyofantares wrote:
| I do believe we are in agreement, yes
| runsWphotons wrote:
| A few 14 year olds have always fought in wars but when was
| this common or expected?
| the_lonely_road wrote:
| Here is a good historical reference from a western
| viewpoint.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_children_in_the_
| m...
|
| I am less familiar with other regions of the world but
| understand it to be common place in some of them to this
| day.
| flashback2199 wrote:
| The repeated use of the phrase that children were "used
| by all sides" is concerning because there were many
| countries that used no children except those that got in
| by pretending to be older.
| kjkjadksj wrote:
| Just a few generations ago. If you were 14 in parts of
| europe during wwii theres a good chance you were in some
| army or a rag tag band of partisans. Probably a lot of 14
| year olds took up arms against the US in wars since if I
| had to guess.
| 0max wrote:
| Literally the age of any main character in a Shonen anime for
| these reasons.
| filoleg wrote:
| I think the reason for this being the age of most Shonen
| main characters is a bit more pragmatic than that - it is
| simply around the age of the target audience.
|
| P.S. No, I am not insinuating that shonen is strictly for
| middle schoolers, and that no one else could enjoy it. It
| is just the target audience for the genre, in general, is
| middle school boys. Like, even the name shonen itself
| translates literally to "boys' comics", and is officially
| listed as an editorial category targeting adolescent boys.
| the_mitsuhiko wrote:
| A one year old eats almost anything you give to them.
| [deleted]
| gdcbe wrote:
| They'll put anything you want in their mouth, but they're
| just as well masters in spitting it out. Feeding 1 year olds
| is fun though, I give you that :P
| xur17 wrote:
| I might be wrong, but I'd imagine a truly hungry 1 year old
| might manage to eat the food rather than starving.
| misnome wrote:
| It isn't a matter of preference, they might not have
| gotten to the point where they realise it is food, or
| sates hunger.
| mysterydip wrote:
| And several things you don't :)
| bombcar wrote:
| The cheetah is well known for its speed but the fastest
| land mammal is a toddler that was just asked "what is in
| your mouth?"
| pm3003 wrote:
| They found the baby bottle quite late. Maybe they managed to
| salvage some milk or formula from the plane.
| 9dev wrote:
| The word ,,harvest" is a particularly awkward choice given
| the fate of their mother...
| JadeNB wrote:
| > The word ,,harvest" is a particularly awkward choice
| given the fate of their mother...
|
| The verb used is (now? Perhaps it was edited) "salvage".
| biorach wrote:
| It looks like it's a place where plants fruit all year round,
| plus the BBC article said that they are members of a local
| indigenous group and might have known what was edible.
| Gualdrapo wrote:
| Also the rescue mission and the air force was leaving
| humanitarian packs here and there with food and essentials,
| but am not sure if they found anything of that while they
| were lost
| ncpa-cpl wrote:
| The children belong to the Huitoto indigenous group, who
| inhabit Colombia's Amazon region.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witoto
| dfawcus wrote:
| Why?
|
| In English common law, traditionally 7 is the age of reason, 14
| the age of an adult, and 21 the age of majority. We'd have 14
| year olds off to sea, etc.
|
| I suspect (but haven't checked) this comes from some biblical
| rules.
|
| Remember that people can generally breed by 14 (even now, some
| girls go through pubity around 10 or 11), though a lot of
| western cultures now outlaw it.
| ayhanfuat wrote:
| She*
| gfarah wrote:
| One thing I feel is missing from the article is how brutal the
| conditions (for the kids and the rescue team) must have been.
| Extreme heat and humidity are no joke.
| anjel wrote:
| Also the emotional headwinds of mourning the death of their
| mother.
| B1FF_PSUVM wrote:
| > Extreme heat and humidity are no joke.
|
| I don't think that applies - actually they probably had close
| to ideal conditions for survival, it is possible to live naked
| without discomfort, and some tribes do.
|
| In what we call "temperate" climates they might have died of
| exposure.
| gossamer wrote:
| I don't know about extreme heat. I have been to Colombia and
| there are very different climates. I am not sure exactly where
| they were, but it is probable that the temperature there was
| more warm with lots of rain.
| gossamer wrote:
| A child was abandoned in the colombian jungle at the age of 4 and
| lived in the jungle, raised by monkeys, for 5 years.
|
| https://allthatsinteresting.com/marina-chapman
| therealdrag0 wrote:
| Note the skepticism of experts.
| ufo wrote:
| I hope they can still find Wilson, the rescue dog. Its tracks led
| the rescuers to the children.
| https://www.elpais.com.co/colombia/el-perro-wilson-se-mantie...
| rasz wrote:
| Probably eaten by the children.
| beebeepka wrote:
| That's concerning. I do hope they find Wilson (if that's his
| name). He's the actual hero
|
| I have a soft spot for dogs with that sort of look.
| grendelt wrote:
| They just need to send in Tom Hanks to walk around and call for
| him.
| therealdrag0 wrote:
| Anyone find out how far the children wandered from the crash
| site?
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