[HN Gopher] Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs
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Brave Browser introduces vertical tabs
Author : czottmann
Score : 63 points
Date : 2023-06-01 17:44 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| SxC97 wrote:
| Looks like there's no tree functionality. I'll be sticking with
| Orion for the time being.
| thunderbong wrote:
| Or Vivaldi, which even lets you rename the group of tabs!
| DerekBickerton wrote:
| Never liked vertical tabs. Horses for courses, personal
| preference and all that. My muscle memory for normal/horizontal
| tab layouts is so ingrained in me, that using anything different
| would take on a huge unlearning.
| dschuessler wrote:
| I want to like them because they save vertical space, and you
| can always read the page titles, regardless of how many tabs
| you have open.
|
| But as with you, my muscle memory gets in the way.
| witchesindublin wrote:
| It becomes useful if you need to sort through dozens of tabs or
| use a touchscreen.
| slily wrote:
| Why do people need dozens or hundreds of tabs to the point that
| they need groups for them? We've had bookmarks (and folders for
| them) for decades... It made way more sense when you could expect
| tabs to always be loaded, and not behave like another set of
| bookmarks.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Bookmarks have management overhead and are too easily forgotten
| about. For a lot of people tabs serve as a sort of to-do list
| or with groups, repositories for sites that will briefly be
| useful for a certain task in the near future. They naturally
| get closed as they're done with, eschewing any kind of cleanup
| step as is necessary with bookmarks.
| james_pm wrote:
| Everyone is copying Arc. Microsoft showed a similar design to
| what Arc has along with vertical tabs.
| OutsmartDan wrote:
| The crucial difference is keeping the address bar- this is
| where I think Arc is falling short. Maybe it's me, but I have
| an extremely difficult time reprogramming my expectations of
| where the address bar should be.
| miohtama wrote:
| Tree Style Tabs were released for Firefox around 2007
|
| https://piro.sakura.ne.jp/xul/_treestyletab.html.en#history
|
| I am not sure if someone like Opera was earlier, but Arc is
| likely copying this.
| Lammy wrote:
| > I am not sure if someone like Opera was earlier
|
| OmniWeb 5.0, 2004:
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2004/02/ow5/3/#tabs
| cosmotic wrote:
| Windows common controls had side-aligned tabs around 1997
| pgeorgi wrote:
| OS/2 2.1:
| https://guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/os221#general,
| released December 1993.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Yep, OmniWeb was the first place I saw the of the vertical
| tabs back in the mid-00s. Blew my mind.
|
| The concept of "drawers" that OS X had at the time was well
| suited for this kind of thing, with some "free" (in terms
| of dev effort) flexibility of allowing the user to choose
| which edge they unfurled from. It's too bad they fell out
| of style in favor of much more static sidebars.
| stonogo wrote:
| Opera 4 had them in 2000. Opera 3 might have, but it won't
| run on Windows 10 so I can't easily check.
|
| edit: Started up a VM -- Opera 3 didnt have tabs at all,
| although it did already have an MDI.
| fayten wrote:
| I don't really think anyone is copying anyone here. This is a
| popular feature for browsers that has been around for over a
| decade.
|
| Orion[1] is another recent MacOS browser that released before
| Arc in 2021 and has vertical tabs. Edge had vertical tabs as an
| experiment back in 2020[2] and is full feature now. Vivaldi has
| had vertical tabs since 2015[3]. It might not count since it's
| not built in, but Firefox has had vertical tab extensions since
| 2007[4].
|
| [1]https://browser.kagi.com/
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| [2] https://www.howtogeek.com/697986/how-to-enable-and-use-
| verti...
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| [3]https://www.maketecheasier.com/vertical-tabs-browsers/
|
| [4]https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/graphs/contributors
| whatscooking wrote:
| I care more about having enough horizontal space to do split view
| than I care about having 10px of vertical space
| joaopms wrote:
| For me it's opposite! Since I have a ultrawide 1080p monitor
| (2560x1080), I actually prefer to "waste" horizontal space :)
| zamadatix wrote:
| Anyone remember the "Compact Navigation" test Chrome did ~a
| decade ago? https://pureinfotech.com/how-to-enable-compact-
| navigation-fe...
|
| It had a major downside of putting browser chrome over the page
| area and hiding the URL. Over time the latter has become the
| default anyways but the former is still iffy. Safari approached
| this concept more recently, as the only browser I'm aware with
| this as an officially supported option, but put the URL bar
| directly in the tab, which is a bit more awkward to use. On
| Vivaldi there is the option to hide it but then activate it via a
| keyboard shortcut/gesture, which functions similarly but can
| cause extra switching between keyboard based navigation and mouse
| based navigation (the latter of which can be very hard to avoid).
| Because of the way Vivaldi is implemented it's always performed a
| lot worse than other Chromium based browsers for me as well. In
| Firefox there were several CSS hacks for this but it was
| constantly falling apart on updates so I gave up on it.
|
| I guess the long story short is: as a very light tab user (1-8
| throughout the day) I miss this old option in Chrom* greatly.
| gnicholas wrote:
| I've been using this on Brave dev for several months. It's great!
| I hope they enable nested tabs, which I loved having in TST on
| Firefox.
| bandzest wrote:
| I was waiting for the 'Arc'-ening to happen.
| hiidrew wrote:
| I just want the shift-ctrl-c to be in every browser. Probably
| my favorite feature from Arc.
| greenie_beans wrote:
| ah! nice! thanks!
| [deleted]
| game_the0ry wrote:
| I really liked brave and this is an interesting feature, but I
| had to stop using it when I tried syncing my bookmarks - for some
| reason, a bunch ended up duplicating, and I have a lot of
| bookmarks that are well organized.
|
| Otherwise, I would have kept using it - it was fast and energy
| efficient on my intel macbook, way better than chrome.
|
| I also have to say - I hate when I have so many tabs open. It's
| basically a manifestation of my ADHD. I need to focus one thing
| at a time.
| TradingPlaces wrote:
| Kagi's Orion browser also has this. I like it.
| biggestfan wrote:
| It's strange to me how a key selling point of these vertical tabs
| is "save on vertical space", but they almost always still include
| a header bar. You can see in the video they posted that it saves
| almost no vertical space, while now taking up a massive amount of
| horizontal space.
| tivert wrote:
| > It's strange to me how a key selling point of these vertical
| tabs is "save on vertical space", but they almost always still
| include a header bar.
|
| Honestly, that's not the main selling point of vertical tabs
| for me. Horizontal tabs don't scale for more than a dozen or
| so, but vertical tabs do. The "wasted" horizontal space is
| useless for reading most page, but displays enough data for
| practical navigation, and the vertical organization allows
| more-developed vertical scrolling technologies to be used with
| the tab list (e.g. scroll wheels).
| alpaca128 wrote:
| > the vertical organization allows more-developed vertical
| scrolling technologies to be used with the tab list (e.g.
| scroll wheels).
|
| Firefox also lets you scroll the tabs horizontally. Which I
| prefer to Brave's approach of simply not displaying the last
| tabs in the bar if it's too many, which means newly opened
| tabs simply never show up while the others are shrunk so far
| they become difficult to hit with the cursor.
| nicklevin wrote:
| Arc moves the header bar stuff (URL) to the left pane, so the
| entire right pane is site content.
| kevincox wrote:
| That's a cool idea. Move the rest of the browser chrome into
| the left bar as well. Less of vertical tabs as an entire
| vertical chrome.
| amelius wrote:
| Perhaps we should just make monitors in 4:3 like we used to
| instead of 16:9 which is ridiculous since we typically don't
| watch movies in the office.
| tivert wrote:
| > Perhaps we should just make monitors in 4:3 like we used to
| instead of 16:9 which is ridiculous since we don't typically
| watch movies in the office.
|
| That's on the right track, but going too far. 16:10 or 3:2 is
| much more reasonable.
|
| The idea of using 16:9 screens for work needs to die in a
| fire.
| Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote:
| IMO the closer the ratio gets to 1 the better but the only
| fact I have for this is 1280x1024 (5:4) being better than
| 1024x768 (4:3)
| abdullahkhalids wrote:
| They certainly do save space on Firefox (with the right
| config).
|
| In the default setting, there is OS title bar, then a
| address+icon bar, then the tab bar.
|
| After installing sidebar tabs, you can remove the tab bar with
| some css, which saves about 5% of the vertical screen space.
| zamadatix wrote:
| "tab bar in titlebar" has been the Firefox default for a
| number of years at this point. If Linux, your distro/packager
| of choice may have overridden that. The only true exception
| to this is tile based WMs (which don't have title bars) but
| in that case it's still above by default.
| abdullahkhalids wrote:
| You are correct. I have been using sidebar tabs for
| probably a decade now, so I had completely forgotten about
| the redesign.
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| You can also remove that unnecessarily large sidebar header
| that Firefox insists on not letting users disable via normal
| means with userchrome mods. Some such setups can be seen at
| https://firefoxcss-store.github.io/.
| svet_0 wrote:
| Brave gives a very bad vibe (mostly due to the affiliate links
| scandal), I prefer to just use my favorite browsers (ff/edge) +
| uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger which give good privacy/adblock
| experience, are open source and customizable to my liking.
| elforce002 wrote:
| Ngl, I'm digging this feature.
| stranded22 wrote:
| I have just found that 'disable JavaScript' in Brave on iOS
| removes 'Promoted Posts' on Reddit on mobile.
|
| So, looks like I'll move to that when Apollo shuts down.
|
| Works with Twitter too - I'm a noob smh.
|
| *looks like I'm wrong- now not loading. Oh well.
| gnicholas wrote:
| Are the vertical tabs available on iOS also? I could see it
| being useful on iPad, but not iPhone.
| adr1an wrote:
| Sidebery firefox addon, among others, saves you of making richer
| CEOs that are against human rights (search for brendan eich
| homophobia).
| elbrian wrote:
| I see the name "Brave Browser" and my brain just refuses to
| engage. Their marketing team ruined the product for me before I
| ever got the chance to try it.
| gota wrote:
| What do you mean? Do you feel anxious about having to rent a
| tuxedo when someone mentions Opera?
|
| I jest, but I don't think I get what you are implying. What is
| the difference between this fantasy name and any other that is
| also an existing noun?
| lagniappe wrote:
| > What do you mean?
|
| For once can we just skip the inevitable discussion that
| takes place in every single brave thread?
| gota wrote:
| I am sorry, I am truly not aware. I'll google it but
| appreciate a link if you have it at hand.
|
| Thanks and sorry - I didn't mean to start a thread that is
| not useful for most people
| zcmack wrote:
| close your damn tabs, heathens
| CoBE10 wrote:
| I've been using Firefox with Tab Center Reborn, and a config
| which collapses the tabs so only the favicons are visible. Using
| Shift-Tab, Ctrl-Shift-Tab and Ctrl-T, Ctrl-W to go around and
| open/close is so logical for me. First time I heard about Tree
| style tabs I was so against them because they occupied
| significant amount of space and I didn't know you could collapse
| them. I don't see myself ever going back horizontal tabs.
| Vertical is so much better, especially on smaller screen (like
| 1366x768), where horizontal space isn't needed that much as
| vertical is.
|
| My setup: https://i.imgur.com/sZ8zdol.png
| miohtama wrote:
| Tree Style Tabs work well, because screen estate is not wasted
| on 16:9 and 16:10 style displays. Web browsing is mostly
| reading task and because of usability, line length cannot
| exceed a certain width. Thus, there is more screen estate
| horizontally around the page than vertically on top and bottom
| of the page you are reading.
| smoe wrote:
| I liked vertical tabs on my main monitor where there is
| plenty of space. But on the laptop, especially with using
| split screen i got too crowded. I have since made the tabs
| completely invisible and just navigate trough them with the
| Vimium extension.
|
| This has some quirks because of the limitations a browser
| extension has, but I now much prefer to just use keyboard
| shortcuts and search to jump to tabs.
| meghan_rain wrote:
| aka bookmarks
| chrisco255 wrote:
| who needs bookmarks when you can have 750 tabs open at once?
| 1MachineElf wrote:
| The latter is more valuable to the ad tech industry. In fact,
| they benefit from browsers with crippled bookmarking systems.
| Every time a user types in "facebook" instead of facebook.com
| into the omnibar, that user is directed to a
| Google/Bing/Brave Search page with ads.
| jollyllama wrote:
| I can't live with Braves terrible bookmark manager, and
| inability to save history for more than a few months. But I
| can't live without the flawless ad blocking.
| elforce002 wrote:
| Same. I can't live without ad blocking + ublock. I don't
| remember the last time I saw an ad and I'm happy for
| that.
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