[HN Gopher] A medieval comedy act has been discovered in first-e...
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A medieval comedy act has been discovered in first-ever find,
researcher says
Author : isaacfrond
Score : 73 points
Date : 2023-06-01 11:20 UTC (11 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.vice.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.vice.com)
| baerrie wrote:
| I saw a medieval comedy with a killer rabbit when i was a
| kid...by some troupe known as "Monty Python"
| skippyboxedhero wrote:
| [flagged]
| meepmorp wrote:
| Please don't.
| hungryhungryhun wrote:
| If you want to make racist jokes or not see the new kids movie
| with the native american lead, just do so.
| rippercushions wrote:
| Where do you see the previous poster bring racist? If
| anything, he is being anti-racist by calling out the
| structural inequity of medieval society.
| PcChip wrote:
| is there a link to the actual manuscript?
| a_shoeboy wrote:
| Here's the Hunting of the Hare (starts on the page marked 113
| and it's in Middle English, but there's a glossary after):
| https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236869902_'The_Hunt...
| soneca wrote:
| I was expecting to read the text. :(
| thedailymail wrote:
| The academic paper has quite a bit more detail. The link to it
| in the Vice article seems to be broken, but it's available
| (open access!) on the journal website.
|
| https://academic.oup.com/res/advance-article/doi/10.1093/res...
| ilyt wrote:
| It's vice, any expectation is too high for them
| stronglikedan wrote:
| Even solvency, apparently.
| coldpie wrote:
| Some better information in this article:
| https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/23557334.librar...
|
| The manuscript itself seems to be available here:
| https://digital.nls.uk/early-manuscripts/browse/archive/1336...
|
| I freely admit I cannot read it :)
| lstamour wrote:
| Interesting. The table of contents is rewritten in modern
| cursive, though I can't read everything even there.
| Contents The Hunttinge of the Hare. A Mock
| Sermon. ...
|
| From there we can flip forward to the actual content and ...
| yep, can't read it. Honestly the only reason I know it says
| "huntinge of the hare" centred at the top is because I read
| it in the table of contents.
|
| I can tell it's English, but that's about all I can tell, and
| that only because I can read some of the words, but not all
| of them. :) Maybe I can send the image to GPT-4 for
| transcription and translation. (lol)
| Izkata wrote:
| Looks like a Gothic font with spelling differences, I think
| the first line translated is something like:
|
| > (something) tale I will now tell
|
| Except the spelling is like:
|
| > (something) take y wyll yow tell
|
| I can also read what seems to be "me to blame" on the 6th
| line.
| jacobolus wrote:
| ? letyll tale y wyll yow tell y troye hit wyll lyke
| yow well that ye shall habe snd same ooooo
| ?ot ?? it was the da? not say for appyr.??ly a nod?
| day hit myself(?) t?ne me to blame ooooooo
| ??ow take snd hede eny?hon how a yomon come rydyng
| alon hafull fayve may he fond ooooooo he
| lokud ke syde hym lys?t slydand he fond a hare(?)
| full fay? syttand a pon a falow h?nd ooooooooo
| he markyd wyll wher the fatt th thkyd to the town
| as fast as he myght go th way then con he ha?
| ooooooo ...
|
| I think the y with dot over is "the", but there seems to
| be a distinction between y and th so I'm not entirely
| sure what all the abbreviations are supposed to be.
| poglet wrote:
| If you take a screen capture then paste it into google
| image search then select the text or translate button - it
| also detects the English characters, but still makes very
| little sense to me.
| alvarezbjm-hn wrote:
| I think the table of content is modern. It says "rebound in
| 1964" after all.
|
| This is what seems to be the first page of the text
| https://digital.nls.uk/early-
| manuscripts/browse/archive/1341...
|
| I recognize latin characters in what my classmates called
| "gothic font" in highschool. But I can't recognize the
| language.
| greenhearth wrote:
| This is no surprise. There's a lot of Monty Python style in
| Shakespeare, and he was definitely influenced by earlier sources,
| such as medieval morality plays, etc.
| dsr_ wrote:
| Perhaps we should say that Monty Python draws on Shakespearean
| comedy, given the relative times and the fact that we know that
| most, if not all of the Pythons studied Shxpr.
| geocrasher wrote:
| And thus it was proved true that an artists value isn't known
| until they are dead.
|
| In this case, it took six centuries for somebody to get their
| jokes. and for those who don't get *my* humor,
| it's a play on words about 'getting' jokes, physically, in
| written form
| heywhatupboys wrote:
| IN BRITAIN!
|
| I think some of the posts on here are very anglo-centric. I like
| that HN is a place that serves no one particlar nation or people.
| [deleted]
| andrewxdiamond wrote:
| As a noob asking from a place of curiosity, does "Medieval"
| mean anything outside of the Europe sphere of influence?
| Medieval evokes a certain imagery in my mind, rather than a
| time period. It feels weird and Eurocentric to refer to Asian
| countries in ~1200 as "Medieval" for example.
| nemo wrote:
| "Medieval" can sometimes be applied to places like China or
| India, but it's not used that way by historians. In general
| historians don't use the terms "Medieval" or "Dark Ages" much
| anymore, and if they do it's with qualifiers. For Europe
| "Post-Classical," "Early Middle Ages" or "Late Antiquity" are
| more often used refer to the earlier Middle Ages.
| senkora wrote:
| The general term is the Post-classical Era.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-classical_history
| jahewson wrote:
| Medieval refers to a specific European time period, I'm not
| sure what you expected.
|
| > Minstrels were fixtures of European life in the Middle Ages,
| but though countless references to these entertainers exist in
| literature from this era, no clear records of an actual
| minstrel's "repertoire," meaning their act or set, has been
| identified--until now.
|
| What's not to like?
| anthk wrote:
| Also most of Europe had similar jokes both from books and
| trovadours.
| mongol wrote:
| Got me thinking... what is the oldest, preserved joke? Is it
| still funny?
| krapp wrote:
| The oldest recorded joke[0], as recorded on a Sumerian tablet
| somewhere between 1900 and 2300 BC: Something
| which has never occurred since time immemorial; a young woman
| did not fart on her husband's lap.
|
| [0]https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2017/09/oldest-
| know...
| anyfoo wrote:
| An intellectual was told by someone: "your beard is now
| coming in." So he went to the rear-entrance and waited for
| it. Another intellectual asked what he was doing. Once he
| heard the whole story, he said: "I'm not surprised that
| people say we lack common sense. How do you know that it's
| not coming in by the other gate?"
|
| Most of them suck by today's standards, but that one is
| genuinely still funny today!
| annoyingnoob wrote:
| https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/04/24/earliest-gag/
| drewcoo wrote:
| In medieval England people joked about killer rabbits. Must be a
| direct ancestor of Monty Python's rabbit - connection!
|
| In medieval England there was a sketch about "Robin Hood,
| jousting bears, and partying pigs" yet there's no mention of Walt
| Disney.
|
| I'd say it's a load of hogwash but I'm sure somewhere Becky
| Ferreira has written about how medieval Britons used to bathe
| their swine.
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