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Tell HN: YouTube download websites disappearing from Google search
results
Hey HN community, I've noticed an intriguing shift in Google search
results lately. As someone who often shares comedy videos with
friends via WhatsApp, I typically search for "YouTube Download" on
Google and click on one of the first few results. However, today I
was taken aback to find that no working websites appeared in the
search. Upon further investigation, I discovered that numerous
recent DMCA reports have called for the removal of these websites,
e.g., (https://lumendatabase.org/notices/34141048#) and
(https://lumendatabase.org/notices/34226349#). Interestingly, this
development coincides with YouTube's ongoing ad-blocker crackdown.
I don't agree that those websites necessarily violate copyrighted
content. I can't help but feel that my trust in Google search
results has been further eroded.
Author : bratao
Score : 154 points
Date : 2023-05-31 16:51 UTC (6 hours ago)
| bondarchuk wrote:
| yt-dlp
| ls612 wrote:
| Just googled "yt-dlp" and got its github page as the first result
| so that's food for thought.
| galleywest200 wrote:
| For what it is worth, yt-dlp rejects videos that have DRM
| (official Vevo music videos, etc).
| usr1106 wrote:
| That's not term the average use would enter into their search.
| And not a tool that that too many non-techies could use.
|
| I as a software developer use it occasionally. And nearly every
| time (after a break of several months) there seem to be new
| tricks to learn/parameters to consider. At least if you some
| requirements on what format you need.
| absoluteunit1 wrote:
| It seems Google is trying to eliminate anything that affects
| YouTubes bottom line more aggressively than before.
|
| Introducing ad-blocker blockers is among one of those.
|
| Another one I've noticed and I'm sure it's not a coincidence; I
| always use YouTube via browser on mobile (has some great
| extensions including ad blockers) and I've noticed that the
| quality on the mobile browser is limited to 360p...
|
| There's no option to increase in the drop-down. I tested on
| various videos that have 1080p in the web browser and no dice.
|
| There's trying to squeeze every penny from YouTube
| znpy wrote:
| Use duckduckgo, i guess
| MarcellusDrum wrote:
| I'd use an engine that censors piracy sites over an engine that
| censors political views any day of the week.
| flangola7 wrote:
| Eh? Piracy is a strong political act.
| nathan_compton wrote:
| I have a sick compulsion to know what censorship you are
| talking about.
| Firmwarrior wrote:
| I can't find anything except some half-assed clickbait from
| the New York Times last year. First they paint DuckDuckGo
| as the favored search engine for the far-right, then say
| far right people are furious that it's censoring Russian
| propaganda
|
| I guess that reading between the lines, it could be
| inferred that some wrongthink is being censored, but I
| couldn't find any actual info
| sshine wrote:
| DuckDuckGo censored Russian news sites during the invasion
| of Ukraine. I can't say I experienced the censorship, or
| that I've confirmed if Russian websites are still censored,
| but this is the reason I stopped using DuckDuckGo. Which
| was quite disappointing, because they had very fast, not
| annoying search results. But I just can't use fast and good
| looking, if I can't modulate my search filters (have
| filters that are always on regardless of what I prompt
| for).
|
| https://slate.com/technology/2022/03/duckduckgo-russian-
| disi...
|
| > Last week, Gabriel Weinberg announced that his company
| would be combating Russian disinformation. "Like so many
| others I am sickened by Russia's invasion of Ukraine and
| the gigantic humanitarian crisis it continues to create,"
| he wrote on Twitter. "At DuckDuckGo, we've been rolling out
| search updates that down-rank sites associated with Russian
| disinformation." Although the move was more or less in line
| with how other major online platforms have been responding
| to the Russian invasion, pushback from DuckDuckGo's user
| base has been pronounced. More than 30,000 users on Twitter
| have responded to Weinberg's post with largely negative
| comments about the decision, accusing the company of
| engaging in censorship and injecting bias into search
| results. Breitbart ran a piece attacking DuckDuckGo as
| "Diet Google," and high-profile libertarian YouTubers have
| also told their followers to stop using it.
| yegg wrote:
| See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36143328.
|
| I had poor word choice that got grossly misinterpreted,
| so I subsequently wrote the help article referenced above
| (https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-
| pages/results/ne...) to give clarity: "we don't evaluate
| or otherwise take into account any potential political
| bias or leanings of websites in our search result
| rankings."
|
| In reality we never censored anything, nor do we have a
| disinformation/"truth" detector, nor did we go looking
| for any Russian narrative (or any other narrative for
| that matter). Instead, we just have essentially a spam
| detector that had detected some spam from Russian state
| sites. That's it.
| Karunamon wrote:
| I am going to call out this lie every time you post it:
| _spam is not a synonym for misinformation_. This was a
| disingenuous lie seven months ago when you copy pasted
| this response and it is no less different today.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33250463
|
| Relevance and truth are two different things. It is not
| your job to be making calls on the second one, and I find
| your willful conflation of these concepts, and continuing
| attempts to deflect from the fact that you have done so
| to be a bit gross.
| yegg wrote:
| I never said they are synonyms. What I am saying is we
| are acting on spam and not misinformation. We do not have
| a misinformation/disinformation/truth/lie detector or
| whatever you want to call it. We do not evaluate
| individual stories or narratives for truth and never
| have. We are not an "arbiter of truth" in any way. We did
| not go looking for anything Russian or for any other
| country in particular. We did not go looking for any
| narrative at all. And highest level as I quoted from the
| News Rankings page, "we don't evaluate or otherwise take
| into account any potential political bias or leanings of
| websites in our search result rankings."
| Karunamon wrote:
| _We do not have a misinformation
| /disinformation/truth/lie detector or whatever you want
| to call it. We do not evaluate individual stories or
| narratives for truth and never have._
|
| No, going by your own website, you outsource that
| judgment call to an unnamed and unaccountable list of
| third parties that apply unnamed and unauditable
| "objective" "journalistic standards" (which are not
| things that exist), which will then result in entire
| sites showing lower in the rankings an unspecified amount
| with no notification to the user that you have done this.
|
| If this was actually about spam, there would be no need
| to bring "journalistic standards" into the equation. Spam
| is spam regardless of who it comes from. There would be
| no need to be so coy about all of this.
| yegg wrote:
| It is about spam. There are actually many flavors of spam
| and they each need their own spam detector. For example
| parked domain spam vs. adult content spam vs. copycat
| site spam vs. content-farm spam vs. news spam.
|
| This is about news spam. The referenced organizations are
| evaluating a supposed news site's process on how they go
| about making news ("journalistic standards") and in
| particular what we care about is whether there really is
| any process/standard at all. That is, we're only looking
| for the very few sites that everyone agrees has no news
| process and is just a site purporting to be a news site
| but isn't in reality. From the page: "a well-documented
| history of a site's extremely low journalistic standards,
| correlated with: routinely using spam or clickbait to
| artificially inflate traffic, consistently publishing
| stories without citing sources, censoring stories due to
| operating with very limited press freedom, and misleading
| readers about who owns, funds, and authors stories for
| the site." Spamming search engines to game rankings is
| the primary criteria here.
|
| However, we note that "Many sites may occasionally do one
| or more of these things, but we take action very rarely,
| only in the most extreme cases." We're talking tiny
| amounts of domains here because "we must see at least
| three of these organizations independently assess a site
| as having extremely low journalistic standards and also
| see that none of these organizations have assessed the
| same site as having even somewhat robust journalistic
| standards." That means if the site has any pulse of a
| real news site then it doesn't get counted as spam.
|
| And it also says for these spam sites: "We trust that
| users can find the right information for themselves, so
| even in these rare cases we do not remove these sites
| from our search results page. Additionally, impacted
| sites are not moved so far down in the results that they
| are effectively removed."
| Karunamon wrote:
| If this is truly a site by site blacklist, and it is
| truly this small, and truly limited to only the most
| extreme cases, you realize that even the slightest crumb
| of transparency would invalidate most of the complaints,
| right? This is why you are getting dragged repeatedly,
| all of the possible reasons for being this cagey about
| this reflect _terribly_ on DDG. Your FAQ page is loaded
| with what Wikipedia would call "weasel words".
|
| - Why can you not publish who these organizations are and
| what the "objective" standards they all use are?
|
| - Why can you not notify users when they have entered a
| query that has results subjected to this rank
| modification? (And/or give them the ability to reverse
| it?)
|
| - Why can you not just publish the naughty list?
|
| - Why can you not publish _anything_ objectively
| verifiable about this entire process?
| nathan_compton wrote:
| High profile libertarian youtubers and Breitbart readers.
| Got it.
| rakoo wrote:
| Do you have any more details ?
| danjoredd wrote:
| They ended their partnership with Yandex, a Russian search
| engine, over the war. They also started downplaying Russian
| search results as a method of preventing misinformation.
| This led to a bit of controversy because it makes one
| question, if they are willing to censor over one political
| issue, what else are they censoring?
|
| https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/duckduckgo-yandex-
| ukraine
| yegg wrote:
| See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36143328.
|
| To be clear, we do not censor. Per the help article
| referenced above (https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-
| help-pages/results/ne...): "we don't evaluate or
| otherwise take into account any potential political bias
| or leanings of websites in our search result rankings."
| yegg wrote:
| (Hi, I'm the CEO & Founder of DuckDuckGo.)
|
| It is simply not true that we have censored anything or made
| ourselves "the arbiters of truth." I realized I previously
| explained how our news rankings work very poorly on Twitter
| but I subsequently put out a clarification in this help page
| with a much clearer (and detailed) explanation of how our
| news rankings actually work:
| https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-
| pages/results/ne...
|
| From that page: "When we apply our own ranking signals we do
| so in a strictly non-political manner, meaning we don't
| evaluate or otherwise take into account any potential
| political bias or leanings of websites in our search result
| rankings."
| Tommstein wrote:
| I abandoned DuckDuckGo during the Tank Man fiasco, but
| recently started giving it a chance every now and then. The
| fact that some page loads figuratively take a literal god
| damn eternity in Firefox on Android (I'm talking double-
| digit seconds) put the kibosh on that, Google is still
| instantaneous.
| yegg wrote:
| First off, we do not remove any results ourselves for
| political purposes and in fact we have been banned in
| China for many years for that very reason. What you're
| referring to was a temporary bug in our image search
| results from Bing that they promptly fixed. If they
| hadn't fixed it promptly then we would have taken further
| action. That seems hardly cause to abandon us.
|
| That said, super slow results I can understand :). But
| they are super fast according to all our metrics, so
| something else must be going on. There was a bug in
| DarkReader recently causing our page to be slow that was
| recently fixed -- not sure if that is related. In any
| case, if you want to email me (my email is my profile)
| then we can try to get to the bottom of it.
| shiomiru wrote:
| Lately the main thing that's been greatly hurting DDG's
| usability for me is the search results being influenced by
| geolocation. It's quite frustrating to see completely
| unrelated search results that just so happen to have my
| city's name in their title (especially when I searched in a
| completely different language). Plus I frequently use
| proxies which makes the entire scheme meaningless either
| way. At least a way to switch to non-localized results
| would be nice to have.
|
| (As for my more subjective opinion, a privacy-first search
| engine looking at your real-world location by default might
| be making the wrong compromise in the first place.)
| VancouverMan wrote:
| That page states: "To identify these rare, extreme cases,
| we rely on multiple non-governmental and non-political
| organizations that specialize in objectively assessing
| journalistic standards."
|
| Is there any transparency (an up-to-date and publicly-
| accessible list, for example) regarding exactly how many of
| these "extreme cases" there are, and which specific web
| sites are involved?
|
| Is there any transparency regarding who exactly these
| "multiple non-governmental and non-political organizations"
| are, too?
|
| For each "extreme case", is there any transparency
| regarding the assessments that were considered?
| jotjotzzz wrote:
| Did you mean duckduckgo? Lmao!
| znpy wrote:
| Yes, thanks for calling that out, i was able to fix the typo
| :)
| bitwize wrote:
| Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. YouTube's URL obfuscation
| is "effective" DRM, circumventing it is a crime. Do not expect
| Google to list websites that promote criminal activity.
| lobster45 wrote:
| Try invidious. https://invidious.io/ It is a FOSS front end to
| YT. You can do anything, download in various video and audio
| formats. Watch any video without signing in. No ads, etc. There
| are other options as well such as https://newpipe.net/ client for
| Android and Yattee for iOS. https://github.com/yattee/yattee
| doublerabbit wrote:
| Thanks for this. Will be hosting my own copy.
| BLKNSLVR wrote:
| Piped is another option that can be self hosted:
| https://github.com/TeamPiped/Piped
|
| It's been on my to-do list for a while now.
| explosion-s wrote:
| I like LibreTube better than NewPipe. It has more features and
| a better interface imo
| usr1106 wrote:
| I use Youtube very sparingly. Sometimes not at all for months,
| sometimes a bit more for some days. I might consider paying for
| going ad-free. But their pricing is exorbitant for my usage. Some
| pay per view with a monthly capping at the current rate might be
| OK.
|
| So currently my biggest incentive is to avoid the whole ad-heavy
| crap. And if I have something that I want to share to a group or
| my language class I use yt-dlp to ensure availability in
| different countries and no interruptions by ads.
| resfirestar wrote:
| This is nothing new [1], but the music industry has seemingly
| been getting more aggressive recently. The other day there was a
| story about an independent label trying to get a Wikipedia
| article delisted [2]. TorrentFreak is doing great work covering
| all these developments, by the way. The sites are being delisted
| and sometimes taken down entirely with "anti-circumvention"
| claims, and it will continue at least until some appeals courts
| rule on whether YouTube ripping counts as circumvention under the
| DMCA. Search engines can follow GitHub's example and take a stand
| against the validity of these notices, but otherwise they are
| just following the letter of the DMCA.
|
| [1] https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-delists-youtube-rippers-
| from-g...
|
| [2] https://torrentfreak.com/music-company-asks-google-to-
| delist...
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Recently, there was also a lawsuit against Yout, and that
| lawsuit (now on appeal) ruled conclusively that YouTube _does_
| have legally-protected copy-protection mechanisms (
| "technological protection measures" aka TPMs aka DRM). Now,
| this is the first time I think anyone here will have heard the
| theory that YouTube has DRM, but legally from that case, they
| do. And anything that breaks said DRM...
|
| I think Piracy is actually much closer to dying than people
| think. Not just with RarBG going down today and 1337x being the
| last major player standing; but also Denuvo now being so
| complicated there is only one person known to be able to crack
| it who is also schizophrenic (literally); the Xbox One having
| never been cracked and the PS5 currently uncracked, and the
| Nintendo Switch having software that has been described as
| being basically perfectly secure and unlikely to ever have a
| kernel exploit ever again (if only NVIDIA's code and chip was
| as well designed), laying the groundwork for a potentially-
| uncrackable Switch 2 once NVIDIA adds glitching protection and
| all Switch 2s have the recovery mode patch...
| flangola7 wrote:
| What stops people from hacking an Xbox? Ultimately all the
| processing and memory is right in front of you, lots of
| people have access to sophisticated electronics labs.
| nadermx wrote:
| This is the most recent update on the yout case
| https://torrentfreak.com/yout-counters-riaa-in-court-
| quoting...
| ravenstine wrote:
| As long as The Pirate Bay is around, piracy will remain
| alive. Plenty of current stuff gets uploaded there.
|
| I too thought that piracy might be on its way out, but I
| think it will see a second life.
|
| More often than previous years have I been resorting to
| piracy. Why? Well, streaming catalogues have been trimming
| things because either their rights to an IP expired or for
| reasons unknown. Regardless, I had to pirate a film the other
| day because it disappeared from every streaming platform, and
| I know for a fact that I originally watched it on Netflix. In
| other cases, I pirate because the "HD" and even "4K" quality
| toted by these streaming services rarely lives up to its
| promise. Somehow videos served by a bunch of individuals far
| exceed the quality of videos I pay for almost every time.
| Bandwidth on my end has nothing to do with it. Sometimes I
| just don't want to watch something filmed in 2023 that looks
| like it was filmed on a potato in 2006, but films and shows
| can often look like that when streamed in my experience.
| Sometimes I get lucky, but it's annoying when the streaming
| quality hits a wall and doesn't improve. And I don't get my
| money back if the video never looks like HD even if I paid
| for the HD version.
|
| The more these companies crack down, the closer we are to the
| threshold where piracy seems fun and cool again.
|
| Also, pirates will always find a way. Something I watched
| recently that was pirated was actually a screen recording,
| and it looked pretty good. If DRM thwards screen recording,
| then pirates will hack together dummy monitors that encode
| the input to mkv. And if that doesn't work, there's still the
| analog hole.
| chankstein38 wrote:
| One thing a lot of the streaming services do is you can
| buy/rent the 4k/HD/whatever version but if you're watching
| on a PC with some browsers (I think Edge supports 4k) they
| will stream in 360p or something. Like what the hell am I
| paying for then?
| kelnos wrote:
| I think your doomsaying is a bit premature. As long as
| companies want us to be able to see their content, there will
| be ways to extract it without the DRM gunk. From a security /
| threat model analysis perspective, DRM can never be 100%
| secure. And remember, for DRM to work, all these products
| have to be perfect 100% of the time. Someone trying to break
| DRM only needs to be lucky once. The idea of all software and
| hardware reaching some sort of perfect level of security is
| pretty laughable.
|
| From the hardware side, tools get cheaper and cheaper every
| year. Even today it's a lot more feasible for a motivated
| group to do things like decapping chips and scanning them to
| extract keys. This sort of thing will only get cheaper and
| more accessible over time. Maybe manufacturers will have to
| start putting HSMs into their products that self-destruct
| when they detect tampering to try to combat this?
| bitwize wrote:
| > As long as companies want us to be able to see their
| content, there will be ways to extract it without the DRM
| gunk.
|
| But it is a federal felony to employ those ways to extract
| it without the DRM gunk. That's the point of the DMCA:
| where DRM mechanisms fail, the law kicks in.
|
| It's kinda like gun control. Gun control is a good idea not
| because it prevents a sufficiently motivated person from
| obtaining or making a gun, but because it vastly reduces
| the market for gun buyers and helps solve the "gun
| availability problem": mass shootings happen because there
| are so many guns around it isn't hard for a crazy person to
| get their hands on one. The Sandy Hook shooter used his
| mother's legally purchased rifle.
|
| If piracy tools are extra super illegal, and people start
| visibly going to jail for making, using, or distributing
| them, then that adds friction to the act of piracy that
| will make simply paying for the product the easier option.
| That's why anticircumvention laws exist.
| realusername wrote:
| > the Xbox One having never been cracked and the PS5
| currently uncracked,
|
| There's just a lack of interest, the Switch has been broken
| wide open because there's tons of exclusives on it. I don't
| see any point doing the same on a PS5.
|
| And even for the switch, why bother if your goal is piracy?
| You can just emulate it better than the real hardware
| itself...
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| > And even for the switch, why bother if your goal is
| piracy? You can just emulate it better than the real
| hardware itself...
|
| For a hypothetical Switch 2, you can't emulate if you can't
| decrypt the games. You also can't build an emulator if you
| can't run homebrew to figure out the hardware.
| Firmwarrior wrote:
| > perfectly secure and unlikely to ever have a kernel exploit
| ever again
|
| -_-
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| It's actually not my words on this one. The Nintendo Switch
| uses a completely homegrown microkernel, that a single
| open-source developer (SciresM) was able to reimplement
| from scratch single-handedly. This would normally have a
| performance impact, which is partially mitigated by having
| the Switch permanently reserve 1 core for the OS and many
| other optimizations. However, the microkernel design is
| intrinsically much more secure than the monokernels used by
| Xbox (NT) and PlayStation (BSD).
|
| Outside that tiny kernel, everything runs in a sandbox, in
| userspace and not kernel space. Graphics drivers? USB
| drivers? The games themselves? All in userspace, confined
| to minimum functionality, and W^X. Exploits in the USB
| drivers, WebKit, and games are actually fairly easy to find
| on the Switch, but useless for launching homebrew from. The
| last exploit bad enough to launch homebrew in Nintendo's
| software was over 4 years ago.
|
| Some commentary from the developer (SciresM) who
| reimplemented it from scratch (everything below comes from
| https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/hygtnx/mesosphe
| r...):
|
| "It is a completely unique microkernel with a cooperative
| (non-preemptive) scheduler. The kernel is secure -- so far
| as I can tell (as a reverse engineer and hacker), it has
| zero security bugs. They throw out years of backwards
| compatibility (they're not POSIX/UNIX), and they really,
| really benefit from it from a security and modularity PoV."
|
| "Horizon's the only meaningful RTOS with a microkernel that
| I'm aware of (other than Fuschia). Everything's in userland
| -- filesystems, gpu (and other device drivers). The OS is
| capability-based and conceptually all about lots of
| different processes/drivers ("system modules") that host
| microservices. The fact that Nintendo designed such a rock-
| solid, modular, custom operating system for their consoles
| fascinates me."
| ShadowBanThis01 wrote:
| Now that most people use LEGAL online sources of music, the
| industry is scraping for new members of the public to
| persecute, prosecute, and rip off.
| meinheld111 wrote:
| Maybe stagnating subscriber numbers force the question of
| where they are going
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| That, but also, movie companies are not exactly living well
| with great profits right now.
|
| Disney+ is losing about $1.5 billion per quarter. Despite
| being very close to maxing-out the number of subscribers
| they will ever get. They've tried raising prices which
| seems to be helping reduce the bleeding, but investors are
| now in a lawsuit with them to determine whether the
| profitability projections were ever reasonable (and,
| surprise, Disney _might_ have been doing some classic
| Hollywood Accounting to make the streaming division look
| better).
|
| Warner Bros. Discovery; well, $57 billion in debt with only
| about $40 billion in _revenue_ per year... or $6B in profit
| per year. Financial struggles and pressure from investors?
| Immense. Their leverage ratio is 5:1 (whereas, 3:1 is
| considered the maximum for even remotely healthy). It 's
| also kind of a big deal to have $57 billion in debt when
| the company's entire market cap is $28 billion, give or
| take. Thus HBO Max had a very stiff and sudden price hike a
| few months ago.
|
| And so on. The media market just isn't great right now. The
| Disney+ and Warner struggles are also definitely coming
| into play when the Writer's Guild comes knocking asking for
| higher pay.
| danjoredd wrote:
| Having long been angry at The Mouse for their
| monopolistic and anticompetitive tendencies, I am
| indulging myself in a bit of schadenfreude seeing them
| fail like this. This has been LONG in the making and I'm
| glad to see their ivory tower start to fall.
| kelnos wrote:
| The stupid thing is that likely Disney and
| Warner/Discovery would be making much more money if they
| stopped running their own streaming platforms, and just
| licensed their content to Netflix or Hulu or whatever.
|
| And on top of that, customers would be happier not having
| to have 10 different subscriptions to cover what they
| want to watch.
| GuB-42 wrote:
| Big movie production is getting more and more expensive.
| We have been making movies for more than a century, and
| yet, the majority of the most expensive movies (inflation
| adjusted) have been made in the last decade, and that
| includes the pandemic. It is even worse with TV series.
| At some point, there won't be enough money in the world's
| entertainment budget to pay for it.
|
| And big studios don't really have the option of lower
| budgets. They need to go bigger and bigger to meet the
| ever increasing demands of spectators, cheap production
| won't cut it anymore. It is not that you can't make good
| low budget productions, in fact, movie production is more
| accessible than it ever was, which is the other side of
| the problem. Big studios have a hard time competing
| against the creativity of thousands of small producers
| who have little to lose and a lot to win in pursuing bold
| ideas.
|
| It is the same thing for AAA video games. Players want
| the latest ultra-HD, ultra-expensive stuff. And those who
| don't will typically turn to the indies.
| navjack27 wrote:
| Just use a tool. Jdownloader or something.
| villgax wrote:
| Google is too afraid of putting YouTube behind a paywall &
| desperately wants that Ad money so they'll do everything they can
| to ensure you see moar Ads. Just use YouTube-dl or ytdlp on your
| local machine or heck WASM
| yakattak wrote:
| Asking out of curiosity but how does Web Assembly play into it?
| perihelions wrote:
| Related thread:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36106741 ( _" Music Company
| Asks Google to Delist 'YouTube Downloader' Wikipedia Article
| (torrentfreak.com)"_; 3 days ago, 65 comments)
| Zemtomo wrote:
| I mean you use a Google product to circumvent a Google product.
|
| I understand the frustration of course but it's hard to me to
| complain about Google because I never thought Google search is
| independent unbiased.
| jchw wrote:
| If you're on Android, grab "dvd" off F-Droid.
|
| https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.yausername.dvd/
|
| Fairly user friendly, but also far more powerful than third party
| YouTube downloader services you can find online.
|
| I don't personally use it, but there's also Videomass for
| Windows.
|
| https://jeanslack.github.io/Videomass/
|
| These tools give you relatively user-friendly access to yt-dlp.
| DANmode wrote:
| What does it offer over NewPipe, if anyone knows?
| jchw wrote:
| Apples/oranges: NewPipe is a full YouTube client that can
| download videos, whereas yt-dlp and its frontends are
| downloaders for a myriad of websites that include YouTube.
| You can, for example, download video from Twitter, Reddit,
| Twitch, etc. in addition to YouTube using yt-dlp/dvd/etc.
| _erererer wrote:
| how long before chatgpt and execution are tied together in one
| platform - and we can ask it download it for us?
| adoxyz wrote:
| likely never. I had written a script a while back to easily
| download youtube video transcripts. In the past, I've been able
| to use ChatGPT to debug the script and improve it. Now if I ask
| any questions about the script the response is "this goes
| against YT ToS and I can't help you"
| galleywest200 wrote:
| Could you just massage the text and convince ChatGPT its from
| elsewhere?
| adoxyz wrote:
| Out of curiosity I tried a bunch of different ways to trick
| it with no luck.
| evo_9 wrote:
| I switched to this recently, works really well:
|
| https://www.4kdownload.com/
| aio2 wrote:
| I used to use it, but I prefer Invidious
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