[HN Gopher] Rarbg Is No More
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Rarbg Is No More
Author : 0___0
Score : 1005 points
Date : 2023-05-31 10:56 UTC (12 hours ago)
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| hiofio wrote:
| I found a replacement is the same as Rarbg
| https://torrentgalaxy.to/
| majkinetor wrote:
| looks even better. thx
| clsec wrote:
| Thanks! This seems like a great replacement. Much better than
| l337x or TPB, especially with dark mode turned on!
| DoItToMe81 wrote:
| Their host charges 250 euro a month for 100 megabits and a one
| terabyte data cap. At the prices they're paying, I'm surprised
| this did not happen sooner.
| LordShredda wrote:
| Do you have a source for that? Curious how you found out. But
| yeah, that's basically a scam for hosting a static website.
| DoItToMe81 wrote:
| Site IP is owned by Netsaap.
| firstSpeaker wrote:
| Is there is any replacement with similar clean design and
| availability?
| KennyNON wrote:
| Ouh, do you know any alternative with UHD BD remuxes?
| SamuelAdams wrote:
| There are private trackers like PTP, but good luck getting in.
| pallas_athena wrote:
| Does anyone know how to find where a certain team uploads stuff?
|
| I loved VXT stuff on rarbg, and would love to find them again.
| feyes wrote:
| That's pretty devastating. This was old reliable for a long time.
| I could never keep up with the demands from private trackers as
| streaming made it so I didn't need to utilize them as much.
| dmix wrote:
| Are there any private torrent sites for movies/tv that you can
| buy your way in without needing a seedbox?
| holoduke wrote:
| Checkout sonarr and radarr together with jackett. Plenty of
| ways to find zillions of sites. Most dark streaming sites use
| these tools to fully automate everything
| paintballboi07 wrote:
| Yep. Although, I'd recommend prowlarr instead of jackett.
| Integrates with the other arr apps much better.
| drexlspivey wrote:
| Last I checked you can get in IPTorrents and HDTorrents with
| a donation. Still need to maintain your ratio but you can
| also boost your upload with donations.
| sbdaman wrote:
| It's absolutely insane how many of these incredibly important
| torrent sites are just managed and hosted by a rag-tag group of
| people with the site barely clinging to life.
| abwizz wrote:
| a taste of the original internet
| [deleted]
| q1w2 wrote:
| While we like to romanticize these groups, they often have
| ulterior motives in getting users to the site. Pushing ads from
| less-than-reputable ad-sources, and having a section with
| binaries where admins can push malware laden
| programs/games/files to increase the size of a client's botnet.
|
| The model is that as users become more comfortable on the site,
| they eventually browse to the more dangerous categories and
| download programs/games/cracks/etc...
|
| I wrote a blog post about a deep dive I did on one site, and
| showed that the admins were seeding malware in program
| downloads.
|
| Suffice to say, when I reported the admins, other admins banned
| my account on the site and IP blocked me.
|
| I actually ended up taking the blog post down because they
| started attacking my domain, and even Google blacklisted my
| domain because I had snippets of the malware code posted (I
| guess I should have used images instead of code). I was younger
| and just tinkering with security research anyway.
| logical_person wrote:
| sorry but this is nonsensical, one site pushed malware so
| they all do? typical "security" person
| narag wrote:
| _I wrote a blog post about a deep dive I did on one site..._
|
| But it wasn't this site, was it? The most salient feature of
| Rarbg was that they verified uploads.
| best_one_there wrote:
| Basically all of an actual software company is bullshit jobs
| unrelated to the core product like legal, marketing, investor
| relations, HR, maybe even developers for R&D etc.
|
| Running a website doesn't require that many people.
|
| I've worked at companies with 4 developers and 30+ "other
| stuff". The company would not be profitable and we would not
| get paid without them, but the actual product would work just
| fine if we wanted it to.
| fknorangesite wrote:
| > The company would not be profitable and we would not get
| paid without them
|
| Seems their jobs aren't bullshit, then, are they?
| best_one_there wrote:
| For a real company, sure!
| hirako2000 wrote:
| Referring to the developers, not the bullshit workers
| running around them.
| jahewson wrote:
| Anecdotally, I've never met anyone who thought this way who's
| product didn't suck.
| ebiester wrote:
| I don't understand this.
|
| If you build a system for resilience, it should not take
| significant effort to maintain. You should be able to keep
| the lights on with 10-20% of the engineering team. The rest
| is growth.
|
| Growth may be making the product better, creating new
| product lines, or improving the scalability - for example,
| allowing larger numbers of users or entries. However, you
| can make the choice to make a well constrained product that
| serves a valuable use but doesn't need growth. Consider
| Bingo Card Creator, for example.
| lamontcg wrote:
| > If you build a system for resilience, it should not
| take significant effort to maintain. You should be able
| to keep the lights on with 10-20% of the engineering
| team. The rest is growth.
|
| After 10+ years you always see the operational demand
| increase because of all the necessary edge conditions you
| build up (backcompat and whatever else).
| ebiester wrote:
| Does the cost of change increase, or the cost of
| maintenance, or the cost of keeping it on?
|
| Yes, the cost of change by definition increases with the
| complexity. I don't think that is in contention. Why is
| it changing for any other reason that you're growing (or
| trying to stave off decline?) For internal tools, change
| may be a function of external business pressures (like a
| supplier going out of business, requiring changes in an
| internal tool), but that is asking for new software.
|
| As you add libraries, the cost of maintenance increases
| because the surface area of security increases. However,
| short of major changes (React, Rails, Etc), this feels
| like it's not moving outside the 10-20% range.
|
| Then, there's the cost of keeping it on.
| best_one_there wrote:
| It's not an opinion.
|
| Legal is very useful in the general case, but if you're an
| anonymous torrent site operator who fully intends to ignore
| the law anyway it's a waste of time.
| George83728 wrote:
| Stack Overflow seems to still be running well.
| raincole wrote:
| > bullshit jobs unrelated to the core product like legal,
| marketing, investor relations, HR, maybe even developers for
| R&D etc.
|
| Wow. You think legal, marketing, investor relations are all
| bullshit jobs...?
|
| Just wow.
| [deleted]
| Zanneth wrote:
| Try working at a big company for a little while.
| kuschku wrote:
| If you're running a community funded website, you don't
| need any of this overhead. In the 90's, pretty much the
| entire internet ran without these jobs.
|
| Sure, they're necessary if you have an actual company, but
| the point is that you can run a website without a company.
| best_one_there wrote:
| If you're not an official company with a legal presence,
| yes.
|
| A lot of seriously dense replies to my comment, seemingly
| wilfully misunderstanding.
|
| _Obviously_ the legal department at an actual company is
| not bullshit.
| budoso wrote:
| Love that you excluded HR
| m00dy wrote:
| No one needs HR.
| afterburner wrote:
| C-level execs love their on-message HR.
| vdnkh wrote:
| Peak HN moment
| costco wrote:
| KickAssTorrents made millions of dollars a year in advertising
| revenue. I doubt their decision to start Rarbg was charitable
| or even ideologically driven. They probably just want out now.
| Lower margins may have been a part of that.
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| Can be both. Even Marx participated in the stock market
| pxc wrote:
| Of course he did! Marx was an economist, living within and
| studying capitalism. He wasn't some ascetic monk.
| miroljub wrote:
| Marx always preached that the way to go is for the working
| class to become owners of the means of production. The only
| logical way to achieve exactly this is to participate in
| the stock market and own company shares.
|
| I still don't understand how the communists managed to
| convince people that Marx saw things exactly in the
| opposite way.
|
| Even now, you hear left leaning parties telling that
| "stocks are evil, one can lose complete retirements on the
| stock market" and in the same time "rich are rich because
| they earned everything in the stock market".
| mordae wrote:
| > "stocks are evil, one can lose complete retirements on
| the stock market"
|
| Putting retirement money into "balanced portfolio" of
| stocks also destroys competition and pits corporations
| against their employees in a fight to get them more money
| after they retire minus the profits of the bookkeepers or
| how are those managers called.
|
| > "rich are rich because they earned everything in the
| stock market"
|
| Insider trading. :] And also just buying index funds,
| with the save issue as above.
| princevegeta89 wrote:
| It's quite unbelievable that the reason was they could not meet
| the costs of running it, while not being able to collect
| donations or help raise funds to keep the lights on.
| Technically the ownership and administration of their servers
| could have been distributed all across the world, which would
| have helped with the staff availability to a good extent.
| CyberDildonics wrote:
| They are mostly serving text that can be cached and have a
| search function. Is it really surprising that a few people can
| run one?
| sbdaman wrote:
| >Is it really surprising that a few people can run one?
|
| No, and I didn't say that.
| CyberDildonics wrote:
| What did you mean then?
| shrimp_emoji wrote:
| CyberDDDDDD takin people to TASK! |DDD
| sbdaman wrote:
| I'm not surprised that a haphazardly organized group of
| people /can/ run a site like rarbg. It's just interesting
| how volatile (this isn't the right word but I'm not sure
| what is) the operations of these sites tend to be in
| light of the fact that the sites hold a lot of cultural
| value. RARBG was incredibly popular and was an important
| resource for torrenting. It's rare to see sites of that
| size and importance run in that way these days.
| narag wrote:
| I guess he meant what he wrote: that the site was
| immensely useful, with just a handful of people behind
| it.
|
| In this case, the reason is that being it in a sensible
| position, they must have chosen to close rather than to
| involve more staff.
| ihateyouall123 wrote:
| [dead]
| George83728 wrote:
| > _I guess he meant what he wrote_
|
| Radical notion these days. Everybody has an ulterior
| motive, probably one you find offensive, and you have to
| read between the lines and make uncharitable assumptions
| about their motives to find them out.
| oxygen_crisis wrote:
| [dead]
| high_priest wrote:
| @sbdaman Pointed out how many of these projects exist which
| seem to have been spun out by barely organised groups of
| random interner enthusiasts.
| mistercheph wrote:
| see: google.com
| CyberDildonics wrote:
| Are you trying to say that 110k page views per day is the
| same as google executing 8.5 billion searches of the entire
| internet per day?
| bsaul wrote:
| i was always skeptical on people saying that torrentz are a
| symptom of bad legal streaming services..
|
| Well, i recently got myself a videoprojector with an android tv
| included, and since i happen to have an amazon prime account, i
| installed the app, which is quite good.
|
| And yes, it's true, since i've done that, my torrentz usage has
| dramatically dropped..
| mvanbaak wrote:
| Dont forget to subscribe to all the other 100+ streaming
| platforms, as originals will not end up on amazon. Oh, and
| hopefully you will never need a subtitle that is for a language
| that's not the main one in your region.
|
| legal streaming is horrible at the moment.
|
| To be able to battle at least some of the reasons to pirate
| media they need to fix a couple of things (and this is just my
| shortlist, there's 1000+ more reasons) - allow indexing and
| playback outside of the official app so 1 app could be used for
| multiple platform subscriptions - allow access to content no
| matter where the viewer is on the world. Not only the video,
| but audio and subtitle languages as well - allow subscriptions
| for specific content, not a 'one subscription fits all'. I dont
| want to watch nor pay for yet another Walking Dead something,
| but I do want to watch See - allow to buy content, and provide
| that DRM free in high quality (not the streaming quality)
| npteljes wrote:
| >Dont forget to subscribe to all the other 100+ streaming
| platforms
|
| These are the "bad legal streaming services" that OP is
| mentioning.
| George83728 wrote:
| Streaming is a content ghetto. 9 times out of 10, _none_ of the
| streaming websites have the media I 'm looking for. When I
| visit friends and family and am made to sit down with their
| streaming services and find something to watch, it always turns
| into a disaster of everybody sitting on the couch browsing the
| various catalogue on their phones, discovering that no service
| has whatever movie somebody just thought of and suggested.
|
| If you treat streaming like old cable television; you turn it
| on _then_ decide what you want to watch from what is available,
| I guess it might seem fine to you. But if you try to decide
| what you want to watch first, treating streaming as a means to
| an end rather than the end itself, then streaming is
| unmitigated trash.
| rightbyte wrote:
| Deciding a movie and then look for it on streaming sites is
| hopeless. Just rent it on a pay to view site if they don't
| want to download via torrents.
| npteljes wrote:
| I agree. It seems like an flippant opinion, and I'm sure many
| use it that way, but some services, and frankly, regimes have
| proven that convenience, comfort and ease of access is very
| attractive to people. If a service can navigate the obstacles
| such as copyright, they will be more popular than taking the
| thing for free with a bit of work.
| bsaul wrote:
| As a mentionned to someone else in the thread, i've realized
| that i was actually ok seeing less popular content straight
| from the remote control, than search for the top content in
| torrents.
|
| Ease of use and guaranteed video & subtitles quality _can_
| compensate to some degree to not having access to all the
| content in the world.
| npteljes wrote:
| Absolutely they do. Streaming sites see huge traffic even
| now, being very far from their full potential, and being
| full of dark patterns.
| superph wrote:
| im an IT and i developed a typical download -> playback
| workflow that works over my home network and its pretty much
| convenient too :) ^_^
| npteljes wrote:
| No doubt! I'm in IT myself and it's second nature doing
| stuff like this. Most people have a different set of
| experience and knowledge though. I only experienced the
| convenience of streaming sites when I began using other
| devices for media, like my phone. On the phone, it was much
| easier to use whatever streaming than to search a torrent
| site, download on phone / seedbox, wait, navigate to the
| file, play the file. With streaming it's just search and
| play.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| I got myself Amazon prime, logged in on my computer, and found
| out I can only watch 480p video because of DRM shenanigans. The
| app on my TV is no longer supported (TV doesn't run Android),
| my phone is rooted (Xiaomi stopped making updates after two
| years) so I sometimes can't even find the app in Google Play
| let alone play decent quality video and the Chromecast app is a
| buggy mess.
|
| So yeah, I went back to torrents after that. All of my problems
| disappeared when I just had an MP4 file I could play anywhere.
| I'm still paying my subscription but they can take my 1080p
| video from my cold dead hands.
| bsaul wrote:
| I get your point, and i may be in the same case as you in a
| few years (my projector is brand new).
|
| But that doesn't really disprove my point : _when_ the legal
| streaming service is working fine, then it does have an
| immediate effect on pirated content consumption.
|
| I thought that not being able to have access to all the
| content in the world would be a no-go, but i'm surprising
| myself preferring to watch legal content directly in two taps
| of the remote than having to search for the torrentz, the
| subtitles, download it, plug the computer to my projector,
| etc.
|
| This came as a surprise to me.
| kypro wrote:
| I've been using Jackett for torrents recently. It seems to work
| really well if anyone is looking for alternatives.
|
| https://github.com/Jackett/Jackett
| roesel wrote:
| Doesn't Jackett still need trackers such as Rarbg to function?
| egKYzyXeIL wrote:
| Yes - Jackett is just a search aggregator for multiple
| selected torrent indexers
| kypro wrote:
| Yes, but Rarbg was both a tracker and a popular torrent
| search site.
|
| Out of the box Jackett supports many popular public trackers
| like 1337x and you can configure private trackers too.
| MayeulC wrote:
| Prowlarr is another alternative
|
| https://github.com/Prowlarr/Prowlarr
| reyqn wrote:
| Interestingly (or not), I avoided prowlarr because it didn't
| cache results, which triggered rarbg's rate limiter.
|
| Well it took rarbg going down for me to see that they
| actually started caching results for rarbg in the latest
| release... Too bad.
| dmix wrote:
| Kinda makes sense the team was (partially) operating out of
| Eastern Europe and then had some issues with rising costs given
| the war and inflation.
|
| Maybe it will come back in the future when things settle down or
| a new backer comes in.
| johnvanommen wrote:
| The first time I went on vacation in Eastern Europe, almost two
| decades ago, I noticed that basically _everyone_ pirated
| content.
| m00dy wrote:
| Ive had best parties of my life in Eastern Europe :)
| Sharply2703 wrote:
| Any other places that do find by imdb code or similar? That was
| the best feature here, with the TV show seasons grouped together.
| dlxfoo wrote:
| [dead]
| SSLy wrote:
| https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/407284-imdb-scout-mod
| Giorgi wrote:
| Damn. I used to use their "popular movies" feature the most. RIP
| KoftaBob wrote:
| This is the torrent search engine I've been using lately, works
| reliably and has a clean UI: https://bitsearch.to/
| petecooper wrote:
| Two DHT search engines that might be useful:
|
| https://btdig.com
|
| https://bt4g.org
| qersist3nce wrote:
| So these crawl torrent indexers and provide search
| functionality?
|
| Do they also search private indexers?
| arsome wrote:
| They crawl the peer to peer DHT, private torrents have a flag
| so they do not get announced via DHT.
| SSLy wrote:
| You can't search private indexers without having account on
| them.
| dark-star wrote:
| they are not searching the indexers, they are searching the
| DHT directly.
|
| Some private trackers do not set the "disallow DHT" flag,
| so those will be indexed as well. Most do, however, and
| it's impossible to scrape those without an account, yes
| westmeal wrote:
| Damn there goes another titan RIP to real ones
| sktrdie wrote:
| Why don't torrent site owners just release their sites as a
| torrent file itself? Like a sqlite dump with search indexes?
|
| They could either self-update the torrent [1] or just release the
| new torrent via forums/groups/chats etc. Would bring the costs
| down to zero.
|
| 1. http://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0046.html
| traverseda wrote:
| Because they make money off of ads and people who have the
| skills and resources to do that without profit motive also
| probably are afraid of getting entangled in legal battles.
| sktrdie wrote:
| From the announcement doesn't seem like they were making
| money?
| traverseda wrote:
| Pretty sure I remember there being ads.
| krzyk wrote:
| Pirate bay does that.
| Lammy wrote:
| It's not just the site. RARBG themselves were responsible for
| many of the video encodes, hence the "RARBG_DO_NOT_MIRROR.exe"
| included in many of them: https://torrentfreak.com/rarbg-adds-
| exe-files-to-torrents-bu...
| ferCats99 wrote:
| They don't, many encodes were from other P2P or release
| groups and they just stripped the names and attributed to
| themselves
| Rant423 wrote:
| Got any proof for this wild claim?
| FractalParadigm wrote:
| I can't offer any hard proof (especially now the site is
| down) but I've cross-seeded _many_ files to private
| trackers after removing [rarbg] from the filename and
| deleting the additional files they add. Looking at my
| client now, I have two episodes of a TV show ripped by
| NTb, the TL version of that is _just_ the video file, the
| rarbg version appends [rarbg] to the filename (to prevent
| cross-seeding /re-uploading) and includes RARBG.txt and
| the infamous "do not mirror" file. Both episodes were
| uploaded to TL ~4 hours before Sonarr grabbed the rarbg
| release (which usually happens within 20 minutes or so of
| uploading). If you visit any of the piracy- or torrent-
| related subreddits you'll see a lot of
| complaints/comments/concerns regarding "why bother with
| private trackers when it all ends up on rarbg anyways?"
| or "why did rarbg steal *upload* from *site* while
| claiming it as their own?"
| CoBE10 wrote:
| I guess mirrors would stay unaffected, because they seem to be up
| right now. Someone will probably clone their torrents. They might
| not have been the best quality, but they were always better than
| YIFI (YTS). I always liked that you could search Rarbg using IMDB
| numbers. Also, their UI was really pleasing to me, plus, there
| were many userscripts that extended the functionality of the
| site. I wounder who will fill up their place, because TPB was
| always the last resort for me. In the meantime Btdig could be a
| nice transitory place to find all of their torrents.
| e12e wrote:
| > I always liked that you could search Rarbg using IMDB
| numbers. (...) I wounder who will fill up their place, because
| TPB was always the last resort for me.
|
| https://thebay.cf/search.php?q=tt2906216&cat=207
| tawayasdf wrote:
| what is the de-facto alternative these days?
| medlazik wrote:
| 1377x
| melvyn2 wrote:
| 1377x is an ad-hijacking "clone" of the real 1337x
| [deleted]
| inversetelecine wrote:
| I think this is a typo? should be 1337x.
| poisonarena wrote:
| rutracker
| grishka wrote:
| I second this but I'm not sure how much use it is outside
| of the former USSR. Most movies and TV shows there do come
| with original English soundtracks tho.
| sampa wrote:
| pity
|
| seems like rutracker.org (ex torrents.ru) is gonna outlive
| everybody
| jamesy0ung wrote:
| rutracker is amazing. I've had no problems with the stuff I
| download from there (games, movies, books and software) and
| they also have some super niche stuff as well. Rip RARGB
| jackspratts wrote:
| phenomenal site. while the content is upped by users the fact
| that multiple rips were found on the same page; SDR, HDR, HDR10,
| 264, 265, 720, 1080, 2160, dubbed, original, theatrical cuts,
| director's, producer's etc. was all on the brilliant, dedicated
| folks of rarbgtor and is what made the site the best in the
| world. nothing else even approaches it. like OiNk wiithout the
| drama. i'll remember the time spent there with gratitude and
| fondness. and I just installed two more 20TB drives, less than 18
| hours ago...
|
| - js.
| jumm wrote:
| [dead]
| zit10 wrote:
| [flagged]
| rwmj wrote:
| I notice that "anti-piracy efforts", DMCA notices, etc don't
| figure at all.
| userbinator wrote:
| DMCA would be completely irrelevant as they are not in the US.
| paulcole wrote:
| Is "completely irrelevant" accurate? In reality, the
| influence of the US extends far beyond where the jurisdiction
| of US laws ends.
| omniglottal wrote:
| In the case of DMCA notices, yes. 100.00% of those which
| are relevany are served within US jurisdiction.
| pixxel wrote:
| KimDotcom?
| moffkalast wrote:
| Wait, so EU businesses don't have to comply with DMCA?
| Neat.
| BossHogg wrote:
| Given the Bulgarian heritage, I'd assume looming laws[0] were
| in fact a factor even if not mentioned.
|
| [0] https://torrentfreak.com/bulgaria-approves-draft-law-that-
| tu...
| no_time wrote:
| 2007 - 2023 RIP
|
| Is there a successful tracker founded after 2010? With all these
| old sites and their experienced crew quitting, things are not
| looking good for the long term of warez. The only one that comes
| to mind is the .si reboot of nyaa.se.
| jumm wrote:
| [dead]
| defrost wrote:
| Elsewhere:
|
| _Iconic Torrent Site RARBG Shuts Down, All Content Releases
| Stop_
|
| https://torrentfreak.com/iconic-torrent-site-rarbg-shuts-dow...
| RARBG, one of the world's largest torrent sites, has said
| "farewell" to millions of users. The site, which was a prominent
| and stable source of new movie and TV show releases, cited a
| variety of reasons behind its decision to cease operations. The
| surprise shutdown marks the end of an era. Founded
| in 2008, RARBG evolved to become a key player in the torrent
| ecosystem. The site didn't only attract millions of
| monthly visitors from all over the globe, it was also a major
| release hub, bridging the gap between the Scene and the broader
| pirate public. ... etc.
| tejohnso wrote:
| They just abandoned it and closed? Why no handoff? Why no appeal
| for funding? Or even a warning?
| lofaszvanitt wrote:
| Is this the real reason or just something like Truecrypt did?
| atmosx wrote:
| Aren't torrents legal in Spain and Switzerland?
| biatch wrote:
| [flagged]
| vachina wrote:
| Devastating to see them go, they're like the Apple of pirated
| content, oracle of only quality releases presented in a
| consistent manner.
| Klaster_1 wrote:
| Any advice on where to download daily MP3 scene release from now?
| SSLy wrote:
| usenet
| GOATS- wrote:
| You could always try Soulseek?
| OGITH wrote:
| There are Other Torrent Sites' Like so...
|
| https://rargb.to/ https://www2.rarbggo.to/
| https://www.rarbgproxy.to/ https://rarbgmirror.org
| https://rarbgget.org https://rarbgaccessed.org
| https://rargb.to/search/?search=Skinwalker
| https://rarbg.to/torrents.php and This one. https://www.1377x.to/
| pallas_athena wrote:
| > https://rargb.to/ https://www2.rarbggo.to/
| https://www.rarbgproxy.to/
|
| these are NOT clones, they host different torrents (rarbg never
| hosted qxr stuff from 1337x).
|
| > https://rarbgmirror.org https://rarbgget.org
| https://rarbgaccessed.org
|
| these are redirects, and so they are offline too.
|
| > https://www.1377x.to/
|
| this is a clone of 1337x, with added shit on top - do not
| visit.
| imgabe wrote:
| Be careful: you want https://1337x.to/ note 1337 not 1377
| snickerbockers wrote:
| what happens if you go to 1377?
| sonofaragorn wrote:
| are these safe? being clones doesn't really inspire much
| confidence
|
| rarbg was my go to for years :S
| wkat4242 wrote:
| They're not clones. Just proxies so they are down too.
|
| This is usually done to make it harder for the courts to
| force providers to block these sites. Whack-a-mole..
|
| PS: Why am I getting downvoted? Try clicking on the links,
| you will see the same goodbye message.
|
| Edit: Oh the first 2 do seem to be clones, now I understand.
| The rest are proxies though. I do think even the clones
| basically skived off the original's database though so I
| doubt they will have much going forward.
| fastball wrote:
| Did you actually try any of these yourself? Some are
| clearly clones, and are not down.
| wkat4242 wrote:
| The first two are 'clones' but they seem to have just
| taken a backup of the actual rarbg content from a few
| days ago (last torrents from the 25th of May!)
| pallas_athena wrote:
| Not even, they cloned the UI but (some of) the torrents
| are stuff that never was on rarbg
| wkat4242 wrote:
| A lot of the ones you mention are just proxies for rarbg (for
| countries where the main site is blocked) so they have of
| course stopped working too.
|
| Only 1337x is really a different site.
| ta8903 wrote:
| They won't get new uploads but they will still work fine as
| indexers for the huge amount of media already uploaded.
| keylo96 wrote:
| While that is true their releases are not the same, take the
| Attenborough doc wild isles the main rarbg top release was 44gb
| in size those u list is 13gb, no SWTYBLZ UHD releases
| qersist3nce wrote:
| >SWTYBLZ UHD
|
| I'll always be amazed by warez subculture and how they name
| stuff :))
| forgotpwd16 wrote:
| You listed mirrors/proxies and once the submitted link that
| says it shut downs. Only last one is distinct.
| misterbishop wrote:
| That site has been Comcast's honeypot for like 10 years.
| crumpled wrote:
| Someone already mentioned the Comcast angle, and they are
| correct. The ISP isn't involved until they get the notification
| from an agent of the owner of the content.
|
| The honeypot isn't the torrent site. You can use any site in
| the world or no site at all and still get busted. It's a peer
| to peer network, and the people busting you are seeding the
| torrents themselves. They catch you when you peer with them.
|
| Use a VPN, and read more.
| crumpled wrote:
| Just to be clear, the rights holders probably aren't
| publishing torrents, they just also download them and monitor
| anybody that happens to connect with their seed.
|
| In a way, they are helping us with better download speeds.
| partiallypro wrote:
| I'm sure they are capping their upload speeds to basically
| nothing and just monitoring the IPs that connect to it.
| 8organicbits wrote:
| I'd be interested in the legal argument that by sharing
| their media in this way, the rights holders are authorizing
| the download.
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| If it's a problem at all, it seems like they could easily
| bypass it by only offering a couple chunks rather than
| the whole file.
| rightbyte wrote:
| You can offer 0 chunks and still see the seeders, right?
| How would you otherwise start leeching.
| lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote:
| If Comcast is your ISP in this context, it's not their
| honeypot. They're the ones receiving the requests that
| downloads cease from the copyright holders and Comcast acts on
| those requests as they see fit.
| boomboomsubban wrote:
| Running a torrent site as a honeypot seems like a stupid move
| for an ISP given how cheap it would be to run a bot that
| automatically downloads every release and tracks the IP
| addresses. And Comcast would only bother with that as they own
| NBC, so probably have been running such a bot for about 14
| years now.
| omegaworks wrote:
| >some of the people in our team died due to covid complications,
| others still suffer the side effects of it - not being able to
| work at all.
|
| Long COVID is having a real impact on technical people.
|
| There's a reason Google buys COVID rapid testing kits in bulk for
| any of their onsite events. One of my friends working behind the
| scenes was gifted a grocery bag full of leftover tests.
|
| Governments around the world have largely abandoned us to a
| disabling virus.
| biatch wrote:
| [flagged]
| slazaro wrote:
| I keep wondering all the time why torrent search is based on
| websites (centralized), which can be taken down, etc., while once
| you have a torrent file or a magnet/hash everything is
| distributed.
|
| Is there a main reason why there isn't (AFAIK, even though I
| haven't really researched) a distributed search that wouldn't
| have these problems? Is it a tech problem that literally can't be
| solved? Or it just hasn't been done? It seems like search is the
| obvious weak link, since the websites keep disappearing or taken
| down or blocked by governments and ISPs, etc.
| rakoo wrote:
| You can't build a decentralized search because there's no way
| to trust whatever results you get until you actually build it.
| If you don't want to rely on a specific community, your best
| bet is to crawl yourself and search locally: you can do that
| with magnetico (https://github.com/boramalper/magnetico/).
| Don't be frightened by the fact that it is archived, it works.
|
| The problem then will be, how do you make sure your content is
| legit? There's no magic way here, the best thing you can do is
| compare the number of seeders and aim for the highest. If a
| torrent is fake, people will delete it and it won't be seeded.
| I have a thingy for that: https://sr.ht/~rakoo/magneticos/
|
| The problem then becomes, number of seeders naturally selects
| towards popular content. It doesn't ensure viability of
| content. But I don't think there's a technical answer to that.
| xenago wrote:
| Very interesting, thanks for sharing your project. Magnetico
| is also integrated into Jackett I believe, which might be
| helpful to some people who use that
| Tuna-Fish wrote:
| The problem is not search, it's curation. Any system that
| accepts everything will be overrun with things you do not want
| (fakes, *very* illegal things), and so there needs to be some
| authority that determines what is allowed. At that point, you
| are centralized, and hosting a website doesn't significantly
| hurt you.
|
| This is also the problem with all distributed social networks.
| In the end, your options are formal centralization, and
| informal centralization, because absolutely nobody wants to
| live in true decentralization.
| tracker1 wrote:
| It's pretty much impossible to support Anonymous +
| Distributed + Free from poison/injection attacks. Not to
| mention, you still largely need at least _some_ known points
| of entry into such a system.
| abwizz wrote:
| > because absolutely nobody wants to live in true
| decentralization.
|
| oh, some ppl do indeed want to.
|
| thanks to encryption they can. but i agree that the likes of
| kazaa, edk and freenet are not for most ppl.
| throwawayiddqd2 wrote:
| Most of the time when I search for something, I sort by more
| seeders first. Some type of signature can be used too.
| pessimizer wrote:
| > I sort by more seeders first.
|
| But this couldn't be easier to game. All you have to do to
| be a seed is to report that you are a seed. You don't even
| have to send any data.
| ryandrake wrote:
| Sorting by number of seeders will probably get you a file
| that is fast to download because of the number of seeders,
| but it will rarely get you quality. Let's go take a stroll
| over to a popular public torrent site and search for, say,
| a recent superhero movie.
|
| I see 100 (!) results for that movie's name. 49 of them
| have zero seeders at all. I don't know what even is the
| point. 29 of the results have one seeder. So already, 78%
| of the results are pure crap.
|
| Let's look at the top result with 338 seeders: File is 3GB,
| H.264 video, 1080p, but with a crappy stereo AAC audio
| encoding... arrggh why??
|
| Number 2 result with 84 seeders: 1.43GB, H.264 video, 720p,
| no word on the quality of the audio encoding. Even more
| worthless.
|
| Number 3 result with 17 seeders: HEVC format, 2160p, audio
| streams include TrueHD Atmos 7.1, DTS-HD, Dolby Digital
| 5.1, stereo, and three non-English language streams. But,
| with an eye-watering download size of 61GB. Holy shit!
| Nice, but wow, what a download.
|
| You have to go a few more down the list to find a good
| balance of high quality video and audio encoding, but with
| a reasonable file size. By that point you're in the single
| digit number of seeders.
|
| Don't get me wrong, it's great to have _a few choices_ and
| quality trade-offs. I guess there 's someone out there who
| doesn't care about the stereo audio because they watch
| their movies with laptop speakers. But 100 results, with
| the vast majority of them either unseeded, poorly-seeded,
| or flawed in some way. I agree with OP: You definitely want
| some curation, not just search!
| OscarTheGrinch wrote:
| I always assume that the movie studios themselves hired
| some proxies to put out those 61gb files so as to waste
| everyone's time and bandwidth.
| zolland wrote:
| This is a proven fact, do not be fooled. For decades Big
| Movie have been propagating disks out into the public
| with giant movie files on them.
| OscarTheGrinch wrote:
| Just like how Big Music decided to fight their pirates by
| only releasing unlistenable music for the last 20 years.
| o1y32 wrote:
| Great example. Some private trackers have strict rules
| about quality, e.g. at most one 720p and at most one
| 1080p (probably 1080p and 4k nowadays), bitrate must be
| above a certain threshold, whichever was published first
| stays, unless there is an "official" version published by
| the same people maintaining the website. The exact
| opposite of decentralized torrent sites, and works really
| well. Takes a lot of work, obviously.
| fknorangesite wrote:
| > arrggh why??
|
| Because you are vastly overestimating how much most
| people actually notice or care about this.
| hirako2000 wrote:
| I often pick the 0 seeders results if there is even a
| slight chance of better quality, and quite often there
| is.
|
| 0 seeders now doesn't mean forever. Some seeders only
| hook to the network once in a while, long enough for a
| few leechers to fetch it all. If the content is in demand
| enough then a few seeders may be left and suddenly a 0
| seeder search result becomes an attractive one. Even
| curating is complicated for the human eye, so good luck
| automating that.
| saiya-jin wrote:
| Yes it sometimes works but usually for smaller stuff like
| ebooks or music. You dont want to download gigabytes if
| not more from 1 spotty seeder, the chances it wont take
| days of 24h online and source being obline too are tiny.
|
| Sometimes disconnect from site seeder count is bigger,
| and say 1 seeder mentioned is actually 15. But that was
| never rarbg's case, it was reliable and dependable like
| no other similar service. It also had IMBD rating so I
| could quickly weed out not so great stuff and focus on
| well rated ones, it generated maybe 60-80 movies a day
| with my filter applied, so quite a stream. After 2 week
| vacation, catching up took some time.
|
| I used to, including today, to just go there every day or
| two and check whats new with my predefined filter. Often
| great movies that I never heard about before, old and new
| alike, took 2 mins to get 1080p x265 variant. Glad I've
| still managed to download that highly rated turkish movie
| this morning.
| drexlspivey wrote:
| How is it distributed? Don't you need a torrent tracker? How do
| you know which peer has which files to share?
| zolland wrote:
| Here is a good resource
| https://wiki.theory.org/BitTorrentSpecification
| maeln wrote:
| There is many search engine that use the DHT to retrieve the
| metadata and share torrent via the magnet. The main issue here
| is not the tech, it's the trust and discoverability/curating
| and also not spreading the seeding capabilities.
|
| When downloading from "reputable torrent tracker XYZ" you can
| trust the quality of the torrent, that it is virus free, etc
| ... It is also usually make searching for particular torrent
| easier (less like searching for a nail in a hay stack) and you
| avoid spreading the seeding potential to hundreds of similar
| torrents.
|
| As a extreme example, BakaBT (a private torrent for anime/manga
| related torrent) has a strict "no duplicate torrent" policy.
| This means that if you are searching for the OST of a specific
| show, you will have usually only one result and it's the most
| up-to-date, highest quality version. Since it is the only
| option, everyone seed this one. It really diminish the issue of
| abandoned torrents. To "replace" and existing torrent, you have
| to provide a strictly better version.
|
| A decentralized torrent search engine could not do that. The
| real value of torrent tracker are the community.
|
| That is also why decentralized software like eMule/eDonkey lost
| a lot of popularity to torrent tracker: Lots of duplication,
| very dodgy download, no curation, virus, ....
| [deleted]
| Solvency wrote:
| This makes sense but...I'm being fully serious and earnest
| here and revealing my own naivete:
|
| Couldn't some form of blockchain work here? Like couldn't
| some form of distributed/democratized community curation and
| moderation happen by using the blockchain to manage the
| arbitration of new torrents (and their successors, like when
| the community decides New Random Anime X encoding to be a
| superior copy)? Plus you have proof of stake or whatever the
| leading mechanism is to help combat and filter out
| fakes/illegal activity (etc)?
|
| Then you'd have blockchain managing the trackers and torrents
| managing the file sharing.
| cirelli94 wrote:
| That would be really interesting usage of blockchain!
| nopcode wrote:
| This happened in the dutch usenet piracy community.
|
| Downloading happened over usenet, but curation and
| discussion on a centralised website. The site got seized
| and the community moved to a new forum that runs on usenet
| itself.
|
| Blockchain is overkill here - don't need a coin or stake or
| whatever
| dmix wrote:
| You could probably accomplish as much just indexing
| torrents and combining it with an HN style voting system +
| user profiles. There's always risk of bad actors but the
| main thing is having humans in the loop to provide
| reputation signals.
| fallat wrote:
| Cryptocurrency could be used here to both decentralize and
| incentivize such a system. I think a major hurdle would be
| the fact torrents have been "free" since their inception.
| PoS is irrelevant here - it's a mechanism that lives
| "higher up" to protect the entire cryptocurrency ecosystem.
| Then there's also the social issues and useability issues
| that plague the space.
|
| My best guess is most bittorrent enthusiasts (and myself)
| would like to see a more natural solution to the
| decentralization problem. "Natural" being incentives which
| arise around sharing / not sharing and similar, vs straight
| up money incentives.
|
| A reputation system could work but again, Sybil attacks
| could happen. So some how the network needs to figure out a
| way to make certain actions more expensive in the large.
| unixhero wrote:
| How would they? Torrents are fairly trivial to build a web
| site around.
|
| Blockchain sounds lile experimental engineering
| Solvency wrote:
| I asked because the original question was around
| centralization (a tracker website) being the weak link in
| the chain. I suppose you could build a very simple
| decentralized voting system / index of sorts... but it
| wouldn't be a centralized hosted online "website"
| (..right?)
| TheCoelacanth wrote:
| Tracker websites are hardly centralized. There are
| thousands (millions?) to choose from.
| Xen9 wrote:
| Freenet works this way. I would replace all torrents with
| Freenet(s) but the technology seems to be too obscure to be
| comfortable for large audiences.
| 6510 wrote:
| It's therapeutic, people use whatever is available to them.
| Having a struggle at the edge allows people to do the busy
| work they bill for while not accomplishing anything
| meaningful. Technical folk will find new ways to keep their
| thing going. If to many websites are gone people will move
| to a new formula (new to them)
|
| The network of sharing software and movies is much older
| than the internet. Eventually you just purchase a preloaded
| data carrier from your local pot dealer. The drives are so
| large, the formula would go dramatically faster than
| BitTorrent. Shipping [say] 10 kg worth of data carriers is
| amazingly cheap.
|
| Looking at some random portable drive 10 kg box / 0.265 kg
| = 37 drives and 37 * 5 TB = 185 TB ? Something like 100 000
| to 400 000 hours of film. Good for a maximum fine in "lost
| revenue" of $ 1 000 000 000 000 for the single box.
|
| There is a lengthy therapeutic treatment program between
| that stage and the torrent websites.
|
| Eventually some bean counter will discover crowd sourcing
| Police Academy 8 and people will just give them money
| provided they desire to see it. Star citizen raised over
| $569 million. On the most profitable movies list nr 191 is
| Fifty Shades of Grey with $569 million from a budget of 40
| million. I can see the problem, with crowd sourcing it
| would be like normal work. That extra 500 million would be
| unlikely. They would have to make 10 movies.
| maeln wrote:
| Bitcoin is going to be 15 years old soon and aside from
| this original usage, no real usage has really taken off for
| "blockchain" technologies (and no, I am not counting the
| occasional pump and dump / virtual scarcity scheme as a
| real usage of the tech). We really have to stop asking this
| question. And I say this having had some involvement with
| some web3 projects/company.
|
| Even if it is theoretically possible, it create a huge
| barrier for entry, a lot of user friction, issue with
| governance and distribution of power, exploit, etc. And it
| is extremely hard to put in place for something that can be
| replaced by a generic phpBB forum in an afternoon. It is
| like trying to make a ICBM to kill a fly.
| whimsicalism wrote:
| There are plenty of real uses for cryptocurrency that
| exist in the real world, but most of it is boring stuff:
| people holding their assets in stablecoins in countries
| that have capital controls.
| Valgrim wrote:
| This is an example of a real, yet illegal use of
| cryptocurrency (in the sense that it is used to
| circumvent the local laws). Also said cryptocurrency has
| to remain hidden like a treasure in a chest inside a
| secret cave, or it can be seized, and if the owner does
| not comply with the seizure, he can be jailed.
| whimsicalism wrote:
| Yes, illegal with respect to the laws of the country, but
| there are many countries where most economic activity is
| underground/casual, not tracked by the state/outside of
| capital controls, and crypto is absolutely muscling into
| those spaces because it allows for complex financial
| infrastructure & also much better security compared to
| holding it.
| latchkey wrote:
| > no real usage has really taken off for "blockchain"
| technologies (and no, I am not counting the occasional
| pump and dump / virtual scarcity scheme as a real usage
| of the tech)
|
| In the Bitcoin world, Ordinals have started to make waves
| as they are a creative use of unintended consequences.
| This will likely spur other innovations.
|
| In the EVM world, DeFi is still used all the time. It
| lost a lot of steam from the last bull run, but trading,
| be your own bank, interest arbitrage, options, perps, all
| of that is still going on quite a bit. New sites are
| popping up all the time. LybraFinance LUSD/eUSD is one of
| the more recent ones.
| gobip wrote:
| Wow. DeFi? Be your own bank? Ordinals? No dear, we are
| here to hate and give our opinion on something we don't
| understand!
| dmos62 wrote:
| That's a good question, but the answers are somewhat sad. I see
| the other commenters saying it's not about the search, but
| about the curation. Curation or identification (as in, "who's
| the author?") is essential, but decentralized search is non-
| existent too. Yes, there is unmaintained, resource-hungry,
| locally-run, unscalable software out there that you can use,
| but there really isn't a public search engine for this. Which
| is a shame. I really hope someone will tell me I missed
| something, but I'm not holding my breath :(
|
| Edit: found mentions of https://btdig.com and https://bt4g.org.
| I wasn't aware of the latter. A problem with the former is that
| it doesn't track number of peers.
| grishka wrote:
| Decentralized search is a complex problem and there exist
| different approaches to it with different degree of
| centralization and resource requirements.
|
| DC++ is a bit more decentralized than BitTorrent. There still
| are central servers ("hubs"), but they don't even host any
| metadata. Search works by the hub broadcasting all search
| queries to all online peers and them replying with results if
| they have any. The file transfers themselves are p2p.
|
| I have an idea that's kind of more decentralized. Initially
| envisioned as a missing global search feature for the
| fediverse, but can be adapter for anything that has a similar
| network structure. A server has a number of peers already
| established because of the ActivityPub federation. Each server
| would send to its peers some kind of bloom filter that
| determines the tags or keywords that this server has results
| for. Then, when searching, your server would find the peers who
| are likely to have what you want, and only send your search
| query to them. If there aren't any, then it would send your
| query to the peers that have most users (with some random bias
| for load balancing purposes) because they're likely to have
| more connectivity, and _they_ would point you where to look
| based on their own peers and their bloom filters. There would
| also need to be some kind of reputation system (centralized
| server lists? p2p exchange of scores /reports?) so that servers
| that return spam or intentionally wrong results would get
| punished.
|
| This could probably be made to work in a fully-decentralized
| p2p network, but I imagine it would be too easy to abuse.
| Getting a new domain costs money, yet getting a new IP or
| public key is free and easy.
| boredcaveman wrote:
| boredcaveman (at] tutanota d0t com
| r3trohack3r wrote:
| Mining the DHT for content isn't particularly difficult, just
| time consuming and noisy.
|
| For example, here is a personal DHT monitor where you can view
| what's being announced on the DHT:
| https://github.com/retrohacker/taboo
| babuloseo wrote:
| It's always sad news when something that is widely used by people
| goes down.
| qersist3nce wrote:
| Sorry to see it go.
|
| While we are at it, an honest question: Why should _anyone_
| undertake the legal risk, monetary cost and development time
| burden for maintaining a public tracker?
|
| What would release teams gain from setting up encoding pipelines
| and upholding their networking infrastructure?
| a1369209993 wrote:
| > Why should _anyone_ undertake the legal risk, monetary cost
| and development time burden for maintaining a public tracker?
|
| Try a more extreme example: why should anyone undertake the
| legal risk, monetary cost and logistical hassle of hiding Jews
| from the SS? It's not some psychopathic _business decision_ ;
| it's because some people stubbornly insist on doing the right
| thing _despite_ it being unpopular, illegal, and clearly a bad
| idea.
|
| If someone _does_ manage to turn a profit doing it that 's (all
| else being equal) _great_ , but it's not the _point_.
| Shish2k wrote:
| Gotta have a hobby -\\_(tsu)_/-
|
| I wonder if The Scene is still remotely accurate by modern
| standards -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIs_5nfJKu4
| 0___0 wrote:
| Hello guys,
|
| We would like to inform you that we have decided to shut down our
| site. The past 2 years have been very difficult for us - some of
| the people in our team died due to covid complications, others
| still suffer the side effects of it - not being able to work at
| all. Some are also fighting the war in Europe - ON BOTH SIDES.
| Also, the power price increase in data centers in Europe hit us
| pretty hard. Inflation makes our daily expenses impossible to
| bare. Therefore we can no longer run this site without massive
| expenses that we can no longer cover out of pocket. After an
| unanimous vote we've decided that we can no longer do it.
|
| We are sorry :(
|
| Bye
|
| Edit: This isn't me BTW. I just copy-pasted the text from the
| site.
|
| Archived link:
| https://web.archive.org/web/20230531105653/https://rarbg.to/...
| PiranhaTO wrote:
| Thank you for everything you've done.
|
| Your efforts did not go unnoticed and you will be greatly
| missed.
|
| I hope the circumstances of your lives improve and that you can
| find normality in these difficult times.
| Nick-Adventure wrote:
| First, a sincere thank you for all the efforts you have done.
| My collection of TV shows is nothing but ION10 webrips. You
| will be missed. While I can respect your decision, I have to
| ask: Why the hell did you not choose to ask for donations or
| monetize the website? While there are many that cannot afford
| to purchase, there are plenty of hackers that could have /
| would have supported you.
| tokai wrote:
| Why would anyone fight on both sides? Seems ridiculous.
| schroeding wrote:
| Some are probably Russian, some probably Ukrainian (or in the
| international legion).
| InCityDreams wrote:
| Many 'other nations', too.
| bombcar wrote:
| I take it to mean some people were on one side, some on the
| other.
|
| Not one person playing both sides (but that probably happens,
| too).
| spacesuitman2 wrote:
| I think he means that employees/contributors exist on both
| the Russian and Ukrainian side.
| pmontra wrote:
| Yet another example of language ambiguity.
| netfortius wrote:
| Considering the recent events in the area previously known as
| Yugoslavia, and the fact that part of hosting is there, in
| addition to Russia - Ukraine conflict being over a year old,
| I'd think of other sources. ...that if we were to trust
| what's been publicized, of course.
| e12e wrote:
| Thank you for your work so far. Out of curiosity - what kind of
| expenses are we talking before/after ad revenue?
|
| How much would it have helped to have 1% of users chip in 10
| USD/year? (1% is probably optimistic, but still...)?
| Laaas wrote:
| I don't think this is an account owned by the rarbg people.
| hosteur wrote:
| It does give the impression of being one of the owners.
| SamuelAdams wrote:
| It's a copy of the website text in case it gets "hacker
| news hug of death"'d
| dlxfoo wrote:
| [dead]
| MagicMoonlight wrote:
| Ugh that was the only good public site
| smashah wrote:
| Thank you for your service
| voynich wrote:
| Rest in peace, RARBG. This is a pretty surreal feeling,
| considering I was just on the site last night. Little did I know,
| that'd be the last.
| m4r1k wrote:
| Probably the largest blow to the torrent sharing community since
| The Pirate Bay got shut down. The impact of content availability
| will be noticeable for years to come
| rabuse wrote:
| RARBG was my favorite for finding HDR/4k content. Anybody got
| an alternative?
| GaggiX wrote:
| I usually just try to find stuff on DHT using BTDigg.
| unnouinceput wrote:
| 1 - Pirate bay still exists and is very much alive.
|
| 2 - Rarbg was a margin note in torrent community. There are
| others very much alive and better.
| abwizz wrote:
| > Rarbg was a margin note in torrent community
|
| really?
|
| i very much preferred it over pb or kat
| tejohnso wrote:
| Please indicate which is better. Where can I click on "top
| 100" or similar, and instantly see a page full of recent
| releases with screenshots, synopsis, and comments one click
| away?
| imran0 wrote:
| 1337x is a very good alternative.
| holoduke wrote:
| Rutracker is the best. You need to understand some russian.
| But everything is there.
| comprev wrote:
| Google Translate is your friend here. RUTracker has
| excellent quality music - often complete label
| discographies too.
| rg111 wrote:
| > There are others very much alive and better.
|
| Can you please tell me which ones or point me to a place that
| does?
| skulk wrote:
| Yes, you just have to join a certain private tracker that
| makes you wait for an interview. Then, once you're in, you
| have to seed for a bunch of time or fulfill requests that
| others have. Once you have gained enough reputation (which
| will be tracked with some weird point system), you are
| given access to a forum where people give out invites to
| their cooler secret clubs. Rinse and repeat this a couple
| of times and you can be in the cool kids club private
| trackers.
| drexlspivey wrote:
| check the sidebar of r/trackers
| throw74775 wrote:
| Better? Which ones?
| well_actulily wrote:
| Private ones that are invite only, like PTP, BTN, RED, Bib,
| etc.--the public tracker community really pales in
| comparison.
| autoexec wrote:
| Public trackers have the advantage that they often don't
| even require accounts. If a private site ever gets
| raided, they'll have a ton of records like everything
| you've ever seeded, every IP you've used, the email
| address you signed up with, anything in your profile or
| comments that could be used to identify you etc. Way more
| risky than accessing a public website where all they ever
| see is a random IP address that viewed a page or made a
| search. If magnet links are available the site won't even
| have a record of what you actually downloaded.
| FalconSensei wrote:
| so... unless you can send us invites, your suggestions
| are not really useful to us
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| Let the kid flex, will ya
| LeeroyWasHere wrote:
| Unless I've known someone for a decade, they're not
| getting an invite.
| FalconSensei wrote:
| good thing I wasn't asking you then :)
| Fordec wrote:
| Thanks for the confirmation that "you're not really
| useful to us" remains a valid statement.
| well_actulily wrote:
| There are still pathways into these trackers, which
| usually require luck or some amount of work on feeder
| trackers before you get an invite. I got in through the
| unofficial Reddit tracker BaconBits (RIP) back in the day
| --YMMV, but it doesn't change the fact that there are
| better trackers out there.
| asfdgaidfhfnio wrote:
| "Better" is a matter of opinion, but it certainly isn't a
| "margin note". Rarbg was one of the most popular torrent
| sites in the world. Torrent Freak puts it as #4 most popular
| in the world, ahead of The Pirate Bay, though I am not sure
| of their methodology.
|
| https://torrentfreak.com/top-torrent-sites/
|
| Of those most popular sites, I think it was by far the best.
| It offered consistently good encodes, with about the best
| achievable quality for a given file size, in a variety of
| formats and resolutions. Its files were well-organized with a
| user-friendly browser and a wealth of metadata. It was
| possible to quickly find a good version of anything not too
| obscure.
|
| Compare to TPB, where searches just vomit a page of often-
| mislabeled files the user must comb through manually. Compare
| to YIFY/YTS, which uploads bitrate-starved "HD" schlock that
| looks worse than rarbg's 480p.
| 2h wrote:
| > Compare to YIFY/YTS, which uploads bitrate-starved "HD"
| schlock that looks worse than rarbg's 480p.
|
| YES. I have always wondered why YTS is popular, as the
| quality is always overstated and always garbage. sorry but
| 1 MBPS is not "HD", no matter what codec you are using.
| lasc4r wrote:
| You could search using the IMDB ID/url suffix, which almost
| always gave you exactly what you wanted. RIP.
| xdennis wrote:
| > Rarbg was a margin note in torrent community
|
| It was the 4th largest according to TorrentFreak:
| https://torrentfreak.com/top-torrent-sites/
| autoexec wrote:
| Rarbg was also notable because it was public, you didn't
| need an account, and it was a lot more accessible (and
| safer) than other sites. Even TPB eventually required a
| bunch of JS just to see anything and they'd use that JS for
| shady things like crypto mining.
| SergeAx wrote:
| I wonder why there's no LimeTorrent on this list.
| qalmakka wrote:
| The reports of Pirate Bay's death have been grossly
| exaggerated.
| lasc4r wrote:
| Not really, it's a steaming pile of it's former self.
| pessimizer wrote:
| Not really. Only very current stuff stayed seeded, because
| there was both no obligation to seed back and significant
| danger. Very little that wasn't available everywhere else (and
| also highly commercially available) lasted for _years_ on
| rarbg.
| SSLy wrote:
| imagine thinking that while what.cd existed.
| SamuelAdams wrote:
| Shhhh, don't tell him about RED.
| SSLy wrote:
| i've been there since day 3.
| jzb wrote:
| OK, but tell me about RED... :-)
| nikanj wrote:
| When did TPB get shut down? I somehow missed that piece of news
| Strom wrote:
| It didn't. Even the classic .org domain still works. However
| it is blocked by some ISPs, which may lead some people to
| think it has been shut down.
| [deleted]
| thiht wrote:
| > The Pirate Bay got shut down
|
| It didn't happen though
| bscphil wrote:
| Eh. It got raided, was down for two months, and for a while
| it was unclear whether it would come back or not.
| https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-back-online-150131/
| Willish42 wrote:
| Seeing lots of mentions here in the comments about increased
| serving costs but the nature of the message sounds more like the
| community itself has fallen apart / lost people due to covid and
| war. I can't imagine the effort it must've taken to keep this
| site running for so long given the amount of traffic, especially
| during the hellish last few years.
|
| I'm sad to see them go but I support their desire to spend time
| and energy/resources on something else after all they've done
| pantulis wrote:
| From the released note:
|
| > Some are also fighting the war in Europe - ON BOTH SIDES
|
| What an absurd tragedy this is. I think it bears mention between
| all this conversation about sharing torrents.
| mxmilkiib wrote:
| A reminder that if you're using qBittorrent there is an in-client
| torrent search tab you can enable.
| oliwarner wrote:
| This seems to use EliteTorrent (by default) which has a strong
| bias towards Spanish language content. There might be other
| reasons to use qBittorrent, but if you don't want to switch,
| you could just use that.
|
| https://github.com/iordic/qbittorrent-search-plugins/blob/ma...
| EwanG wrote:
| I have seen several folks on here mention Usenet subscriptions as
| another option. What I haven't found is any good Usenet tutorial
| on how to actually get from "I know the name of something I want"
| to "I have downloaded it".
|
| The irony that I used to run a UUCP node on the original version
| of Usenet does not escape me :-)
| nickthegreek wrote:
| Research 'nzb'
| leovander wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34704654
|
| I have since switched to SABnzbd from NZBget. I saw a comment
| regarding hard to find things, I am subbed to two indexers and
| either I am not looking for obscure things or I am letting the
| other tools I listed do most of the heavy work. Prowlarr is
| doing most of the heavy lifting doing the searches for me.
| recursive_loops wrote:
| It's hard to find stuff on Usenet. I subscribe to two different
| paid (and not super cheap) indexes, and it's still routine that
| I can't find stuff. If I look over at pirate bay, it will be
| there about 50% of the time
| JustSomeNobody wrote:
| That's because the first rule of Usenet is you don't talk about
| Usenet.
| clsec wrote:
| I haven't used Usenet since probably around 2002. It seems like
| everything is still the same except for the indexer. I assume
| that is so you don't have to sign onto a bunch of binary groups
| into your newsreader and then search through them for what you
| want (part of the fun in the old days for me)? Is that correct,
| does anyone know?
|
| I also wonder if Forte' Agent still works? Does Newsguy still
| exist? /s
|
| edit: found the answer to my question
| jonathantf2 wrote:
| Just googled it and found this: a quick glance and it looks
| like you can get set up with this. https://robdix.com/usenet-
| beginners-guide/
| maronato wrote:
| r/usenet has a great FAQ about it[1]. In a nutshell, there are
| 3 things you need to use usenet. You need providers, indexers,
| and a software to download stuff.
|
| Providers are companies and servers where the data is actually
| stored, as opposed to peers in torrenting. Since they are for-
| profit, you need to purchase a subscription to have access to
| these servers. r/usenet has some nice deals on those[2]. Frugal
| is usually the most recommended for beginners since it's pretty
| cheap and has most files you'll want.
|
| Indexers are similar to what rarbg was. They make it easy to
| search for files stored in the providers. They usually require
| a subscription as well, and some require invites, but are
| really cheap and easy to get [3]. nzbgeek doesn't require an
| invite and is pretty complete. nzbplanet and drunkenslug have
| more content, but require invites. You can get invites for
| those on r/UsenetInvites
|
| Finally, you need something to download the files. There are
| many options available for that, but I find that the best one
| is sabnzb [4]. It is pretty complete and has a lot of moving
| parts, so I recommend following the trash-guides article on it
| to get started[5]
|
| [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Usenet/wiki/faq/
|
| [2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/wiki/providerdeals/
|
| [3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/Usenet/wiki/indexers/
|
| [4]: https://sabnzbd.org/
|
| [5]: https://trash-guides.info/Downloaders/SABnzbd/Basic-Setup/
| majkinetor wrote:
| Too many suscriptions. Pass.
| westmeal wrote:
| thanks bro
| __alexs wrote:
| https://sonarr.tv/ https://radarr.video/ +
| https://github.com/theotherp/nzbhydra2/ + 1 or more
| https://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/wiki/indexers
|
| Usenet is a lot of effort.
| moss2 wrote:
| Your proposed alternative to downloading movies using
| torrents is to set up and maintain a torrent tracking
| service?
| aaomidi wrote:
| That software uses Usenet too.
| inversetelecine wrote:
| It's only as much effort as you want to put into it. Yes it's
| more effort than public torrent sites, but the tradeoffs are
| worth it.
|
| Plus. most of these are setup once and forget. Automation &
| not having to seed is what makes Usenet worth it IMHO.
|
| And of course, torrents still have benefits and their place
| as well.
| illegalsmile wrote:
| I haven't used Usenet for some time but I remember probably
| 15 years ago a lot of the files were DMCA'd or incomplete
| (even with parity) and it was difficult to put together a
| complete download. Does it come down to the indexer you
| use? Have things changed these days?
| simse wrote:
| It's not too complicated. I heard from a friend, that all you
| need is a downloader like Sabnzbd, a usenet provider like Eweka
| or Frugal Usenet, and an index like Drunkenslug to find stuff.
| k5hp wrote:
| Let's hope the same doesn't happen to Rutracker.
| chromoblob wrote:
| Rutracker seems to have big ad revenue (just look at the ads
| and how popular it is). Also, Rutracker administrators seem
| quite serious to me (I compare the feeling I get from observing
| elaborate upload post format requirements, massive forum
| structure, important size of dedicated wiki on Rutracker and
| the feeling I get after reading the linked announcement).
| yieldcrv wrote:
| note: this has no more information about the shut down than the
| blurb posted on rarbg's website
| cronix wrote:
| That's because it's an archive of that blurb from the rarbg
| site.
| robertoandred wrote:
| "Content releases" aka stolen goods
| mdrzn wrote:
| Damn RARBG was the GOAT lately, it had more stuff than TPB.
|
| Guess I'll have to subscribe to a USENET after all.
| cheapliquor wrote:
| RIP RARBG
|
| It was a good site.
| mrtksn wrote:
| RARBG was originally Bulgarian, like many other trackers and
| warez stuff. Eastern Europe - inside EU or outside of the EU -
| has always been major player in this scene. RIP.
|
| I'm still curious how it's possible to run such global illegal
| operations without being exposed or caught.
|
| How is it still possible to remain anonymous on the Internet,
| considering in this age the thing is very mature and well
| commercialised?
| Gasp0de wrote:
| What are they doing that is illegal? I thought they were just a
| torrent tracker?
| gersg wrote:
| Linking to pirated content is illegal in many European
| countries.
| moffkalast wrote:
| Then Google should be prosecuted.
| happymellon wrote:
| That's not Google's primary purpose.
| B1FF_PSUVM wrote:
| Well, printing was going to be for instruction. And then
| radio. And TV. And the internet.
|
| We're so instructed we've gotta wear ad-blockers.
| gersg wrote:
| Google takes down content when they get notified, rarbg
| doesn't.
| moffkalast wrote:
| I've yet to see Google not return a piratebay link at any
| point in history. Is it a loophole where they take it
| down, but their indexer then immediately puts it back in
| the next pass, lol?
| abwizz wrote:
| > I've yet to see Google not return a piratebay link at
| any point in history.
|
| indeed. as it should, if it's relevant for the search.
| tivert wrote:
| > I've yet to see Google not return a piratebay link at
| any point in history. Is it a loophole where they take it
| down, but their indexer then immediately puts it back in
| the next pass, lol?
|
| No. If you pay attention there can be a message at the
| bottom of the search results telling you how many results
| were removed due to takedown requests. IIRC, they used to
| even link directly to the request, but now I think you
| have to jump through hoops to see it.
|
| The "loophole" is that a takedown request has to be for a
| specific URL, so it requires a lot of constant effort to
| even try to get them all. Pirate Bay always had dupes and
| a million mirrors.
| malux85 wrote:
| I'm not being nit-picky or contentious - I'm asking from
| a genuine point of curiousity ...
|
| but in the case of Google linking to the pirate bay,
| isn't the pirate bay the one linking to the pirated
| content? Google is 1 step removed in that node graph
| because they are just linking to the pirate bay.
|
| I guess if they directly linked to a pirate bay page that
| had a magent link on it .... maybe (?)
| judge2020 wrote:
| A court is unlikely to care about the distinction between
| actually linking to pirated content, and linking to a
| page with both instructions and a link to the pirated
| content. To add, enough TPB torrents contain screenshots.
|
| Also, Google's takedown request handling in Google Search
| is not a matter of DMCA or a legal matter at all -
| instead, it's like Content ID, where they have their own
| system for evaluating takedown requests separate from any
| law. Rights-holders can still send Google legal requests,
| but it's easier to go through the expedited processes
| Google provides that also won't increase rights-holders'
| liability if they happen to submit a false takedown.
| whstl wrote:
| Google seems to refuse removing because, according to
| them, "Whole-site removal is ineffective and can easily
| result in censorship of lawful material."
|
| Instead of removing, they just remove links by request.
|
| Sources: https://torrentfreak.com/google-opposes-whole-
| site-removal-o... and
| https://www.scribd.com/document/286275022/TorrentFreak-
| Googl...
|
| -
|
| However they did ban Pirate Bay in the Netherlands after
| a Dutch court ordered them.
|
| https://www.makeuseof.com/why-google-removed-pirate-bay-
| from...
| NoMoreNicksLeft wrote:
| It's been 5 or 6 years ago now, but one night I searched
| for torrents for a particular movie, and Google returned
| hundreds of results from a dozen sites... and the next
| evening they returned 0. I think it was an October.
|
| While I don't doubt that a torrent link shows up once in
| awhile, Google no longer usefully searches for such
| things. Or really anything, legal or not. It's more like
| a purchase recommendation system pretending to be a
| search engine.
| andrepd wrote:
| And a terrible one at that, as it points to the lowest-
| quality blogspam sludge possible.
| cykros wrote:
| Google used to rule the net. These days they're not even
| the best search engine for legal content, let alone
| overall net searching.
|
| Bing and Yandex will get you most everything you want.
| roncesvalles wrote:
| It seems Google's tech can't keep up with the scale of
| the Internet anymore. It simply doesn't index a very
| large portion of the Internet now.
| kelnos wrote:
| Google will only remove specific URLs, not entire
| sites/domains. Even if every copyright holder with
| content on TPB sent a DMCA notice to Google today, new
| torrents -- at new URLs -- would pop up tomorrow.
| worldsayshi wrote:
| Hmm i guess torrent sites can also counter by just not
| having static URLs for content?
| madeofpalk wrote:
| Google does not return links to the pirate bay for me
| https://i.imgur.com/MkAPoFl.png.
|
| At the bottom there is a message that says "In response
| to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 4
| result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more
| about the request at LumenDatabase.org" and links to
| https://lumendatabase.org/notices/27615507
| tyingq wrote:
| In the US: https://imgur.com/a/VjlpwlN
| DirectorKrennic wrote:
| Odd. Google always returns links to the pirate bay for me
| https://i.imgur.com/tNo6tbB.png
|
| I'm in Canada though. But I did use Google.com.
| Reason077 wrote:
| Canada has relatively lenient copyright laws/enforcement.
| It's likely that Google sees no legal need to honor DMCA-
| style takedown notices in Canada.
|
| Here's a guide to the legal status of torrents here with
| broad categories, from most lenient to most strict
| (caution VPN spam):
| https://www.vpnmentor.com/blog/torrents-illegal-update-
| count...
|
| Interesting to note that downloading copyrighted content
| for personal use is explicitly legal (not just
| overlooked) in Spain, Switzerland, and Poland.
| mh- wrote:
| that's a different search query. I did get that same
| result if I use your query instead. (I'm in the US)
|
| edit: it's also for a "proxy" site. I don't really use
| torrents or follow TPB happenings and don't know how that
| is/isn't affiliated.
| jachee wrote:
| Linking to the site itself (especially when that's what
| you searched for) isn't the same as linking to a torrent
| to infringing content would be.
| Thaxll wrote:
| Google does not host it links, it's very different.
|
| Google does not store files it should not.
| cykros wrote:
| Well, they do, at Youtube. But they're pretty good about
| takedowns over there. Including of a ton of content that
| has no reason to be taken down.
| justinclift wrote:
| Google has enough lawyers to give the EU and US the run
| around when they want to.
|
| For smaller players, they'd have to think _really_
| carefully about whether they want to engage in multi-year
| litigation with them.
| WastingMyTime89 wrote:
| > Google has enough lawyers to give the EU and US the run
| around when they want to.
|
| Google has paid something like 10 billions dollars of
| fines in the EU during the last decade. I don't think
| they are giving the run around to anyone.
| justinclift wrote:
| Yeah, lets wait a couple of decades and see how those
| court cases actually end up.
|
| Meanwhile, Google will just keep on Googling...
| cykros wrote:
| 10 billion dollars is a rounding error for the GOOG.
| theturtletalks wrote:
| Are you sure they paid it or they were ordered to do so?
| Most times, the fine is reduced or appealed ad infinitum.
| einpoklum wrote:
| Alphabet is valued at over 1.5 Trillion dollars. If they
| pay 1 Billion USD in fines per year, maybe their lawyers
| are actually doing an ok job for their client.
| yieldcrv wrote:
| and just a civil issue, which doesn't come with priority or
| the state power that a criminal case would
| datadeft wrote:
| But not in all EU countries.
| mrtksn wrote:
| [flagged]
| [deleted]
| supriyo-biswas wrote:
| Amazon has provided the ability to obtain torrents of
| objects on S3[1].
|
| [1] https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/API/API_Get
| Objec...
| mrtksn wrote:
| Cool, someone re-start the RARBG on Amazon then. What's
| the fuss all about?
| weinzierl wrote:
| It's deprecated and I believe it only used to work in
| very old AWS regions for legacy reasons. Not sure what
| the current status is but it clearly has no future.
| mrtksn wrote:
| Even cooler, someone start a hosting for legitimate
| businesses like RARBG.
| ulfw wrote:
| What is it with you and your extremely aggressive and yet
| unproductive comments?
| mrtksn wrote:
| >What is it with you and your extremely aggressive and
| yet unproductive comments?
|
| Entertaining hypothetical edge cases to examine an
| argument's soundness has become extremely aggressive
| behaviour?
|
| Anyway, my apologies.
| abwizz wrote:
| beeig edgy and exploring edge cases for the sake of the
| argument has indeed become somewhat anti-social. i guess
| it has something to do with the width of the audience, as
| the bigger the crowd, the more likely it is that someone
| will take you serious and make a fuss about it.
| mrtksn wrote:
| Who are those people who are offended when you introduce
| an edge case against their argument? This is very weird
| behaviour because the whole civilisation is built on
| finding edge cases to demonstrate that a model doesn't
| work.
|
| For example, would it be offensive to say that a feather
| and a hammer will fall at the same speed on the moon to
| take down the Aristotle's theory of gravity? Is it OK to
| not talk about that kind of stuff in order not to offend
| Aristotletes?
| justin_oaks wrote:
| The problem is people don't know if you're asking
| questions to indicate your disapproval (or to cause
| people grief) or if you're asking to understand. In other
| words bad faith questions vs good faith questions.
|
| People get offended when you're asking bad faith
| questions. And it can be difficult to differentiate the
| two, especially when people discussing don't know each
| other.
|
| I know someone who is often snippy with me because I ask
| questions where I legitimately want to understand
| something, but she assumes I'm asking to indicate she's
| done something wrong.
| abwizz wrote:
| this is indeed a very helpful way of putting it, thank
| you
| abwizz wrote:
| it is very wired if you (plural) are looking for truth or
| consensus or progress.
|
| but normies are generally freaked out, because they are
| not used to real talk. i often crash into this barrier of
| non-sense talk for the sake of conversation as well, very
| painful for both sides.
|
| i'm sure aristotle wouldn't be offended but encouraged :)
| andrepd wrote:
| Yes, you are a special flower and people are annoyed at
| you not because you're grating, rude, or arrogant, but
| because they are stupid and only want to talk about the
| Kardashians or whatever.
|
| Yawn.
| abwizz wrote:
| you seem like a special flower too :)
|
| realizing that most of anything isn't special does not
| preclude every thing beeing uniqe and valuable
| hippich wrote:
| > you (plural)
|
| Texans would say "y'all" :)
| cykros wrote:
| You is always plural. The singular second person pronouns
| are thou (subject), thee (object), or thy (possessive).
| masfuerte wrote:
| See also "youse".
| pessimizer wrote:
| _Reporter:_ So, to end the interview I have to ask you
| about an experiment that everyone 's talking about and
| you must be aware of. It's been said that marbles and
| cannonballs dropped from a tower at the same time have
| been seen to land at the same time. If there are any
| comments you'd like to make about that, I'm sure the
| public would love to hear them.
|
| _Aristotle Scholar:_ You know, I 'm actually glad you
| asked this, because these kind of "gotcha" questions show
| everyone the unfortunate state of journalism today, its
| disrespect for scholarship, and its willingness to peddle
| whatever trash that people are circulating in order to
| undermine our institutions. [wrestles wooden microphone
| off lapel and storms off set.]
| weinzierl wrote:
| You mean like https://1984.hosting? Or more like
| https://legittorrents.info, which shut down recently[1]?
|
| I had never heard of RARBG before, so I don't know if
| they were legitimate and you are being sarcastic or
| serious?
|
| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35639370
| mrtksn wrote:
| They were the website I torrented the entire Succession
| series.
| mrelectric wrote:
| Mate, you're being obnoxious.
| mrtksn wrote:
| I have no idea why explaining how I use the website to
| the question on what the website is about would be
| obnoxious but O.K.
| codetrotter wrote:
| > hosting for legitimate businesses like RARBG.
|
| Not quite the same but PeerTube is P2P legitimate
| hosting.
|
| I run a PeerTube instance myself and I like it a lot.
| abwizz wrote:
| imo they were a fairly popular and long-standing tracker.
| someone had to make a statement perhaps? (pb was downed
| multiple times)
| adql wrote:
| The problem appears to just be "it's too expensive to run" at
| least according to the banner
| maccard wrote:
| How expensive can a link sharing site be to run, genuinely?
| They're not serving any of the content (unless they are, in
| which case, yeah...) But if they're just serving up .torrent
| files or magnet links, these sites should be pretty cheap to
| run I would assume?
| tracker1 wrote:
| It tends to run a little more when you're using hosting in
| a country that doesn't respect US copyright (and similarly
| for most EU) along with keeping your information private to
| begin with. When I had looked into it, it's been roughly 2x
| what a typical western dedicated server provider might
| charge.
|
| This doesn't count the issues with a site that is _very_
| popular, from bandwidth to even simple database search
| overhead. If I were to guess, it 's that RarBG probably
| spent in excess of $10k/month, which isn't much if you're a
| startup with a runway of VC capital or a revenue stream,
| it's a lot more if you're in a smaller country or don't
| have an excess of revenue.
| mpsprd wrote:
| I believe rarbg had many "official" torrents that they
| seeded. This must be part of their costs.
| dunmalg wrote:
| Comparatively cheap because you're just handing off magnet
| links, but when you're serving millions of unique visitors
| daily, it all adds up.
| abwizz wrote:
| true. but there were also some images on the site
| PrimeMcFly wrote:
| You can still buy pre-paid credit cards in many places, and
| many places allow you to pay for anonymous servers with cards.
|
| Worst case if they had enough money they could rent somewhere
| and pay for a decent internet connection and not actually live
| there, so only the equipment would be seized.
| costco wrote:
| I think the "new meta" is sketchy popup/popunder ad providers
| that pay BTC/USDT, njal.la/nic.ru/some Chinese registrar paid
| with crypto or a virtual card, DDOS-guard/Cloudflare to make
| getting the origin IP annoying, and hosting in an ex-USSR
| country (and sometimes even mainstream Western providers like
| Leaseweb or OVH). But that's just the impression I got by
| occasionally using these sites, looking at domain/IP whois
| and using one of those Cloudflare deanonymizer sites when it
| was still up.
| themagician wrote:
| The answer to this is easier (and harder) than you might think:
| just don't say anything.
|
| You can get away with quite a bit just by being silent, and for
| longer than you'd think. A big way that people get away with
| things for so long is just by not answering questions. Someone
| says, "Is this [illegal thing] yours" and you say nothing. Now
| you've got to burn hours and dollars trying to prove someone
| owns something so that you can go after them.
|
| You'll find domains, web hosts, countries, and employees who
| are all onboard with the same philosophy. When everything
| requires a subpoena at the highest level to move something
| forward, it can easily take years for anything to happen at
| all. Some countries are known for having slow legal systems.
| Stack jurisdictions with slow court systems and you can start
| with an 18 month window before _anything_ can happen.
|
| You've got a domain in Tonga registered to a company in another
| country, owned by a large company in another country owned by a
| trust in a third country. Often small countries with limited
| resources and archaic or corrupt bureaucracies. And where is it
| hosted? That's probably another connect the dots. And the site
| can change hands and then you have to start all over again. Are
| you going to refocus on the new owner or are you going to spend
| even _more_ resources trying to track down the former owner?
|
| And any of these entities may lead to nothing more than a mule,
| fake person, or dead person. Sure, it's someone's fault for
| having inaccurate records--but who? How long has this been
| going on? Did they know? Was it intentional? It shouldn't be
| like this, but it is... what do you do now? Are you going to go
| after the recordkeeper too?
|
| You can do illegal shit for years or even decades if you just
| say nothing and respond to no one.
| Mountain_Skies wrote:
| Law firms must love how many billable hours such quests
| generate for them.
| terminalcommand wrote:
| In my experience law firms would not hop through these.
| That is the job of hired ethical hackers, police and
| prosecutor's office.
|
| A law firm would be useful in (a) applying to remove
| illegal content, (b) seize any profit generated by illegal
| use of clents' content, (c) (if the client requests)
| horrify users identified of such illegal services, (d)
| pressure the authorities to crack down on the operation.
|
| Most lawyers do not understand the technical details. We do
| a hell of a good job of understanding experts' findings and
| put them in a clear legal structure though.
|
| Most of the boring but billable job I ever made was
| searching through company registries, google searches,
| sanctions searches, panama papers searches, reviewing
| countless pdfs to either (i) mark them as privileged so
| they cannot be used as evidence, (ii) scan whether there
| are any documents that may directly implicate the client
| and if so try to find a way to legally claim it is
| unusable.
|
| I believe law firms do provide decent service. Billables
| are there, but no lawyer I know would willingly generate
| busywork that does not lead anywhere to charge more. OTOH,
| I HAVE seen instances where a work got reviewed multiple
| times by different lawyers, because the client was willing
| to pay more. But even in these edge cases, multiple reviews
| did benefit the client and they received a better work
| product.
|
| My advice would be establish a good working relationship
| with a lawyer in the firm that you trust, continuously send
| work. Ask estimates if you are on a tight budget. But do
| not be cheap and try to get things done with less budget.
| Law firms provide a service you need, if you pay them
| decently you'll receive your money's worth. Lawyers will
| literally take a bullet for you to make things happen when
| you need them.
|
| Apologies for the long rant :).
| expertentipp wrote:
| > Someone says, "Is this yours" and you say nothing. Now
| you've got to burn hours and dollars trying to prove someone
| owns something so that you can go after them.
|
| The opposite is the German approach. Shower the cuntiest
| lawyers with money, lobby for laws allowing to easily pick a
| victim, bully the victim senseless. Lobby even more and if
| someone uses the word "corruption" in context of copyrights,
| bully the shit out of them as well. I'm so glad Anglosphere
| and German copyrights predators have been perfectly impotent
| for so many years. They know how to create faceless enemies.
| phkahler wrote:
| >> How is it still possible to remain anonymous on the
| Internet, considering in this age the thing is very mature and
| well commercialised?
|
| Because at the core, identity on the internet is not well
| defined. Authentication is a hard problem. You might wonder why
| it's hard, why better more secure protocols haven't emerged.
| Answer: that makes end to end encryption easy, among other
| things that give individuals too much power.
| [deleted]
| samstave wrote:
| AI produced Obits, and death certs and detailed descriptions
| of the death, and then new documents produced via GPT6+
| access to APIs to DMV, Embassies, etc to produce new
| documents sent to your new PO box in [place] etc...
|
| -
|
| deep-fake assassinations are going to be a thing...
|
| PHKahler
| RektBoy wrote:
| For example in my EU country, it's legal to download movies for
| own use. _shrug_
| _AzMoo wrote:
| I think it's effectively just that they operate out of
| jurisdictions that just don't care.
| wkat4242 wrote:
| This, totally.
| mrtksn wrote:
| Well, Bulgaria used to be a jurisdiction that doesn't care
| but this is no longer early 2000s. Are there really
| jurisdictions that don't care and still have connections to
| the rest of the world? I guess DPRK, Iran, Cuba and maybe a
| few more can do that but wouldn't they be a problem to the
| infrastructure provider to work with in first place?
| wkat4242 wrote:
| They still don't quite care though. For example in western
| Europe it's quite common to get threatening letters as soon
| as you start torrenting without VPN. In eastern europe this
| is not happening.
|
| Perhaps because copyright infringement is not really a
| criminal issue but more of a civil law one. Without a
| private party starting lawsuits on behalf of the copyright
| owners there is nothing happening. It could be they don't
| have one.
| weinzierl wrote:
| Threatening letters with a payment notice attached, that
| is.
| mtlmtlmtlmtl wrote:
| Huh, I've downloaded torrents for years with no VPN in
| western Europe and never got so much as an email about
| it.
|
| Maybe it's changed in very recent times, I wouldn't know.
| Joker_vD wrote:
| > in western Europe it's quite common to get threatening
| letters as soon as you start torrenting without VPN
|
| What about the right of the privacy of communication? Oh,
| right, it's the state-owned postal services that have to
| respect that right, and only with regards to the paper
| letters, not the privately operated ISPs that can (and
| obliged to) wiretap at the slightest suspicion of crime.
| mrtksn wrote:
| AFAIK they don't actually inspect your comms, instead
| they leech from you to get your IP address and start the
| legal procedure. The way I understand it, they don't send
| you a letter for downloading but for sharing. Correct me
| if I'm wrong though.
| exitb wrote:
| Depending on your jurisdiction, even just downloading
| might be illegal. But you're right, when you torrent, you
| publish your IP address, where parties unrelated to your
| ISP might get it and pursue legal action.
| iLoveOncall wrote:
| You're correct on the methodology except that (in France
| at least) they also seed, to get the IP of users that
| download. And you do get letters for downloading.
|
| Initially the plan was to ban those people from internet
| for a period of that but it got removed since it was
| anticonstitutional.
| boosteri wrote:
| Is it they do illegal thing and then try to extort money
| from you for doing the same thing? Or have they received
| a royal blessing nowadays and can do so legally?
| Joker_vD wrote:
| I imagine it's not illegal for them since they _do_ have
| copyright, after all (unless when they don 't).
| jorvi wrote:
| It is not that clear cut for Western Europe.
|
| - Germany sends letters and fines
|
| - Czech Republic doesn't send letters or fines
|
| - The Netherlands doesn't send letters or fines (unless
| you share an absolutely ludicrous amount)
|
| - Belgium doesn't send letters or fines
|
| - UK sends letters and fines
|
| - France sends letters (tiny chance of a fine)
|
| - Switzerland doesn't send letters or fines
| Goz3rr wrote:
| It should be noted that (as far as I know) none of those
| are actually fines. It's private companies that track
| down pirates, and they cannot give out fines. They send
| you a settlement proposal, saying either pay this or risk
| being sued.
| chikitabanana wrote:
| in France you can be blacklisted from all ISPs
| tigeroil wrote:
| Does the UK send letters and fines? I haven't torrented
| without a VPN for years but the worst I ever heard anyone
| getting was a letter from the ISP saying "that was very
| naughty, please don't do it again".
| graftak wrote:
| Note that in the Netherlands right holders can request
| ISPs to proxy their letters but those ISPs are not
| allowed to share the home addresses or any other personal
| information so it's neigh impossible for a right holder
| to get hold of a torrent user.
| zirgs wrote:
| Makes sense. If ISPs were allowed to share home addresses
| then a lot of creeps and scammers could abuse that
| system.
| mmh0000 wrote:
| Welcome to America!
|
| ISPs do that, but it's a lot worse if you consider your
| mobile provider to be an ISP.
|
| https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/10/data-
| brok...
|
| https://www.vice.com/en/article/nepxbz/i-gave-a-bounty-
| hunte...
| copperx wrote:
| Imagine being doxxed by your own ISP.
| wkat4242 wrote:
| Of course they have to obey court orders.
|
| The Dutch ISPs fought this in court but they lost in some
| cases.
| rerdavies wrote:
| The situation is the same for Canadians: we get proxied
| letters, but rightsholders have no access to our personal
| identification.
| abwizz wrote:
| almost like copyright enforcement goes hand in hand with
| your country's relation to the US
| jorvi wrote:
| The Netherlands is very cozy with the US and yet
| enforcement is pretty lax, so I don't think that's the
| deciding factor.
| rocqua wrote:
| This isn't the ISPs detecting you torrent. It's
| rightholders joining a torrent swarm, getting an IP-
| address, and asking the ISP for the person behind that
| address. It differs between jurisdictions whether the ISP
| has to comply or not. In the Netherlands they do not,
| (but Surfnet, a university focused ISP complies anyway).
| In Germany they have to comply.
|
| Lobbying is always happening to require ISPs to cooperate
| though.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| _> In Germany they have to comply._
|
| Seriously, screw Germany here. The way they oppressively
| Gestapo your internet traffic just to catch you
| downloading an mp3 to treat you like criminal menace, is
| unheard of in the rest of Europe.
|
| Can't believe the so called "privacy conscious" German
| public are okay with this invasiveness of their internet
| privacy when they're the only EU country as hardcore on
| this "issue".
|
| If only they would invest as much resources in digital
| innovation as they do in catching people download a DVD
| rip, Germany would rule the tech world.
| andrepd wrote:
| Does it need that many resources though? I thought just
| getting the list of peers in a swarm for an illegal
| torrent is enough.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| Resources not as in tech but as in lack of red tape in
| invading people's privacy for such trivial issues. In any
| other country this would get you laughed out of court.
| cykros wrote:
| Germany seems like they just do what involves the most
| policing. If it's going after companies for privacy
| invasions, they do it. If it's going after individuals
| for infringing on copyright, they do it.
|
| They got rid of the laws that targeted people by race and
| background, but they never bothered to dispose of the
| jack boots.
| expertentipp wrote:
| Meh that's why I stay away from German services. People
| who go apeshit on you for sharing one 64kb chunk of movie
| have lost their marbles. Service provider is GmbH,
| headquarters in Germany? Maybe someone from the other
| side of the world believes in their "privacy" lunatism.
| FeistySkink wrote:
| Never had any threatening letters in NL, so perhaps this
| varies by country.
| jeltz wrote:
| Same in Sweden.
| jagaerglad wrote:
| There have definitely been cases with letters in sweden
|
| https://www.domstol.se/patent--och-marknadsdomstolen/om-
| pate...
| abwizz wrote:
| imo copyright is irrelevant in countries that either can
| withstand the mpaa's pressure, maybe via good relations to
| the state department, or in countries that have bigger
| problems.
| cykros wrote:
| Does Iceland actually care much? I don't imagine they'd let
| you host an actual warez site a la 2000 or so, but a site
| just hosting magnet links seems like something they'd
| mostly allow, and they DEFINITELY have the infrastructure
| to handle it.
|
| That all said, I'm always amazed that these sites don't
| just move to i2p/tor. The torrents themselves have been
| decentralized with DHT and magnet links for awhile. At the
| end of the day it seems like they've just been hanging on
| trying to avoid being so in the shadows that they get less
| traffic as a result.
| costco wrote:
| Current hosting appears to be in Bosnia: 185.37.100.122
| which is probably a server colocated with
| https://www.netsaap.com/contacts.php.
| CodeArtisan wrote:
| Vietnam is probably the #1 place for digital piracy today.
|
| https://torrentfreak.com/vietnam-could-kill-several-major-
| pi...
| pessimizer wrote:
| Linked from the bottom of the post:
|
| _Potential Impact on Major Pirate Sites as Vietnam ISPs
| Face New Responsibilities_ , May 12, 2023.
|
| > "Most Voluminous" Copyright Decree Ever Issued in
| Vietnam
|
| > Global IP services firm Rouse reports that with 8
| chapters and 116 articles, Decree 17 is the most
| voluminous copyright decree ever issued in Vietnam.
|
| > "[T]he Copyright Decree provides significantly detailed
| guidance on copyright enforcement, especially which
| disputes can be classified as a copyright dispute, how to
| establish acts of copyright infringement, and how to
| calculate damages caused by infringements," the company
| reports.
|
| > "The long, detailed section in copyright assessment is
| also expected to pave the way for the growth of the
| currently limited copyright assessment services in
| Vietnam."
|
| https://torrentfreak.com/potential-impact-on-major-
| pirate-si...
| drexlspivey wrote:
| Also their close neighbor, The Republic of Kinakuta
| waboremo wrote:
| It's very possible to run such without being exposed, but it
| involves patience and enough cash.
|
| Most of the time, these services aren't done in direct exchange
| for money or from people who have a lot of money in the first
| place.
|
| So what ends up happening is even if they can avoid the shallow
| legal issues by remaining private, they then run into the
| problem that nobody can pay for the service (not many options
| for providing that transaction privately). You might think
| "just run ads" but the problem there is multifaceted, most are
| likely going to be using adblockers, on top of that to remain
| private they'll be locked out of most paying ads and only get
| the most spammy garbage incentivizing more to use adblocker to
| visit the site.
| joshspankit wrote:
| Also: ad companies and payment processors are a weak link.
| They can provide de-anonymizing information to officials and
| cut off payments when their corporate values shift.
| theturtletalks wrote:
| I always wondered this. Many piracy sites have Adsense or
| some sort of ads. Can't Google just fingerprint which
| Adsense account is being used and find the person getting
| paid?
| hattmall wrote:
| There's an entire industry of buying established accounts
| set up with an unsuspecting person's identity. Idk about
| Adsense specifically, but you can get Amazon selling and
| the linked bank account with docs for like $1000.
| elorant wrote:
| And how do you get paid? AdSense requires a bank account
| registered to the same name.
| CryptoBanker wrote:
| You buy the accompanying bank account
| madars wrote:
| Yes. For example, Z-Library accepted Amazon gift card
| donations using an email linked to their identities:
| https://torrentfreak.com/how-google-and-amazon-helped-
| the-fb...
| alwayslikethis wrote:
| * * *
| anjel wrote:
| AFOAF belongs to the same pvt tracker now for more than a
| dozen years. The admins amp and push the community feels and
| have periodic fund raisers. No ads, and if you want to
| donate, you buy a jpg of a flower on an different site. Seems
| to work out well for all concerned and while you have to
| maintain an u/d ratio, free leach and easy generous ratio
| reqts contribute to that community feeling.
| xorkatoss wrote:
| noooooooo, this was my go-to torrenting website, so sad :(
| ZoomerCretin wrote:
| Ctrl+F "covid" Phrase not found
|
| Seriously, a huge part of the internet is down because the team
| was taken out by Covid (both death and complications), and no one
| even mentions this? All the evidence points to the covid
| complication rate _compounding_ with each infection. Rarbg is
| only the start of where we can all expect to be in 5-10 years
| without more serious long-term mitigations (universal indoor air
| filtration).
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/28/opinion/last-pandemic.htm...
| fsociety999 wrote:
| Previous hn thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36136819
| sph wrote:
| o7 thank you for your service, keeping the Internet awesome and
| anti-corporate.
|
| Where one piracy site dies, a thousand spawn from its corpse.
|
| Maybe the media companies will eventually pull their heads out of
| their collective arses and quit their cartel, allowing the
| existence of legal, paid streaming sites a-la-Spotify with access
| to 99% of the repertoire. Until then, torrent is how we protest
| while they create more and more insular streaming services to
| milk people $9/mo at a time.
|
| "Piracy is almost always a service problem." -- Gabe Newell
|
| (If you need a semi-private tracker that's easy to get into, try
| TorrentLeech. Also /r/opensignups)
| seanalltogether wrote:
| > "Piracy is almost always a service problem." -- Gabe Newell
|
| I find this an odd argument in favor of pirating movies,
| because everything that steam offers for games, amazon prime or
| itunes offers for most tv shows and movies. In fact with amazon
| prime you can buy content and watch it on pretty much any kind
| of device out there.
| muti wrote:
| The coverage by service for tv/movies is so much worse than
| games/audio, that's what makes it a service problem.
|
| Netflix was killing pirating when it had "everything",
| pirating is seeing a resurgence as the landscape becomes more
| fractured.
| oxygen_crisis wrote:
| [dead]
| jokowueu wrote:
| Most people have moved to Plex shares these days
| JohnBooty wrote:
| My experience is that 100% of what I see on friends' (and
| friends' friends') Plex shares is.... movies that they
| downloaded via TPB/RarBG/etc torrents.
|
| If the supply of torrented content dries up, it seems like
| many Plex shares will start to become very stale.
| calmoo wrote:
| Plex Shares (like ones you buy on the internet from a
| stranger) are mostly fully automated and pull from
| private/public trackers + usenet. I don't see the supply of
| torrents really having any effect in this regard.
| jokowueu wrote:
| Ofcourse, I'm not saying torrents don't have a place it's
| just that they seem less trafficked these days , online
| piracy streaming sites , iptv(with vod) and Plexshares have
| taken the front seat.
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| Nobody I personally know have ever heard of Plex at all.
| Almost everybody uses BitTorrent to some extent.
| AdamH12113 wrote:
| > Maybe the media companies will eventually pull their heads
| out of their collective arses and quit their cartel, allowing
| the existence of legal, paid streaming sites a-la-Spotify with
| access to 99% of the repertoire. Until then, torrent is how we
| protest while they create more and more insular streaming
| services to milk people $9/mo at a time.
|
| I have been hearing people make this same basic argument since
| the 90s. (I'm sure it's older than that.) During that time the
| price of video and audio entertainment has decreased while
| availability and quality have vastly improved. Despite this,
| piracy is still going strong. The ideological goalposts used to
| justify it keep moving, but the desire for free stuff is
| timeless. (Not judging here -- I've certainly done my share.)
|
| Adjusting for inflation: Twenty years ago, a DVD with one
| recent movie cost ~$30, or you could rent one for $5-8. One
| album on CD cost ~$20. Buying individual songs for the then-
| unheard of price of $1.65 (99 cents at the time) on iTunes was
| brand new. They had limited bit rate and DRM, and you had to
| buy an expensive iPod if you wanted to use them conveniently.
| If you wanted good TV shows, you paid something like
| $60-80/month for cable TV (more if you wanted to watch The
| Sopranos) and had to watch on a schedule, with lots of ads.
|
| If you compare that to today's world of cheap streaming
| services, high-quality DRM-free music, and even cheaper
| physical media, it's not even a contest.
| lostgame wrote:
| >> "Piracy is almost always a service problem." -- Gabe Newell
|
| Once again; the media companies are _absolutely_ doing
| everything in their power to drive even casual media consumers
| into piracy. I wouldn 't be surprised if piracy was already
| more rampant than it's ever been - but it's only getting worse,
| due to ludicrous streaming fragmentation.
|
| It'll never happen, but the only thing that can save piracy is
| an aggregate all-inclusive monthly subscription platform where
| all the films/shows from all services are available, just like
| Apple Music or Spotify. I pay $30-40/mo and I have access to
| all the stuff on Netflix, Prime, Max, Disney...
|
| When you stream a movie from Netflix, they get the credit.
| Disney? The same.
|
| Nobody is going to pay for all these services, and more and
| more are ditching them altogether. The response of the
| streaming services is to increase prices and reduce content.
| It's hilariously embarrassing. They are _asking_ us to pirate.
| chromoblob wrote:
| > Where one piracy site dies, a thousand spawn from its corpse.
|
| Maybe that's a bad thing. Having one central site rather than
| many is better for searching and availability of uploads.
| Asooka wrote:
| A service and a pricing problem. All cases of piracy I have
| observed stem from one of 3 reasons
|
| 1. Too expensive. This encompasses several varieties, like the
| media in question being literally priced more than the person
| is willing to pay, or the pricing is acceptable, but the person
| can buy only one of several choices and wants to evaluate all
| before giving one their money.
|
| 2. The product is not offered for sale. This is sometimes
| literally that the product isn't available for sale in your
| country, or the product is not available in a useful form, e.g.
| it doesn't come with subtitles in your language, it won't work
| on your device, it requires a stable internet connection, which
| you don't have, etc.
|
| 3. For political reasons, to avoid supporting DRM.
| happymellon wrote:
| For 2, it can be the silliest things.
|
| Disney holding back the second half of the final season of
| Amphibia. Released in the US but not here for unexplained
| reasons. For 6 months piracy was the only way to get a
| conclusion.
|
| Our Flag Means Death, even though it had a large section of
| its cast from Britain it wasn't available to watch for far
| too long here.
|
| I could go on, but you get the point. Any distribution rules
| are a creation of their own making in the first place.
| ajford wrote:
| Exactly. I dropped out of the torrent scene for probably
| around 5 years when Netflix had a huge back-catalog and it
| just wasn't worth the hassle to manage torrents and a media
| server.
|
| Then the Netflix catalog shrunk to originals, there's now 6
| different streaming services I have to juggle to watch the
| usual content my family likes, and we're constantly using
| third-party services just to figure out what's available
| where. I hate having to switch from Netflix to Hulu to finish
| out a show because the last season is only on Hulu. Or things
| like Warner and Disney cutting shows because they don't want
| to pay residuals or whatever dumb accounting BS they feel
| like pulling.
|
| If you make it more convenient to torrent and shove
| everything into Plex, why would I pay to get a worse
| experience.
| bscphil wrote:
| > For political reasons, to avoid supporting DRM.
|
| This is very much a practical reason as well, though this
| overlaps with "not available in a usable form". DRM is the
| reason I can't watch movies at the highest bitrates and
| resolutions on my device from Netflix or Amazon. It's the
| reason I can't trust that things I purchase will be available
| to me indefinitely. It's the reason I can't build a
| collection of media (e.g. with Kodi) that is playable on my
| TV with one click with a single unifying interface.
|
| > The product is not offered for sale.
|
| This extends to some other cases as well. For instance, where
| the only available version is a crappy remaster (Terminator
| 2), and the original is much superior. Or if you want to
| watch the film with a director's commentary.
|
| There's also, very broadly, a 4th reason - convenience. This
| encompasses both ease of use (if I know what movie I want to
| watch, I don't have to search to see where it's streaming),
| and discoverability (a good torrent site will easily let you
| see all the movies by a director or actor, and provide
| recommendations). Or if you're looking for a particular
| special feature, it's much more convenient to be able to
| download it than to go looking for a physical media copy and
| wait for it to be shipped to your door.
| mvanbaak wrote:
| With the globalisation, there is actually a 4th reason
| rising: availability of content in specific regions. I
| sometimes want/need content with audio and/or subtitle
| language X, which is not available legally where I live, but
| the exact same platform does have it available in the region
| that speaks this language.
|
| pirating is in this case the best solution as I can pick the
| quality I want, with the audio and subtitle languages I need.
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| I think this is just the second reason rephrased a bit
| differently. And it isn't at all new -- pretty much all
| Japanese game and animation studios have refused to
| acknowledge our region's existence for about as long as
| these industries have themselves been around.
|
| For example, Nintendo consoles have been unavailable since
| the 90s -- which is why we've been using these clones:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendy_(console)
|
| and are still unavailable now unless you're willing to buy
| consoles and games on ebay, overpriced and without warranty
| (which is what some of my friends have been doing, but I
| refuse to support publishers that consider my American
| dollars second class to those coming from actual
| Americans).
|
| So torrents it is, then. 'Fuck you' can go both ways.
| mvanbaak wrote:
| Nintendo consoles and games are available in western
| europe as well
| loeg wrote:
| This is covered in #2.
| robertoandred wrote:
| I love when thieves act like they're such noble saints.
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| Your useless copypasted comments brought nothing to this
| discussion. You have changed nobody's mind. Have you wrote
| all that to make yourself feel good?
| robertoandred wrote:
| I don't think you know how copy/paste works.
| izacus wrote:
| Yeah, we all love Robin Hood books. What does your comment
| have to do with this thread though?
| youreincorrect wrote:
| Uh, because it responded to a comment that wrote a bunch of
| 2009-era Guy Fawkes mask-wearing redditor bullshit that
| attempts to make piracy noble.
|
| > o7 thank you for your service
|
| (o7 would be a salute)
|
| > Where one piracy site dies, a thousand spawn from its
| corpse.
|
| False and nonsense, especially in 2023.
|
| > Maybe the media companies will eventually pull their
| heads out of their collective arses and quit their
| cartel...
|
| Okay, I'll stop here.
|
| I'm fine with piracy, personally. I'd prefer we just admit
| that you're mostly using it to download movies, music, and
| television shows for free. This isn't some noble fight for
| freedom. We're talking about watching mindless bullshit
| content like Star Wars, without paying for it. Piracy
| proponents, and comments like the one starting this thread,
| make it seem like we're entitled to this content. We're
| not. But I'll admit, I don't watch much in the way of tv or
| movies any more anyway, so the whole debate is lost on me.
|
| I just rolled my eyes at the ridiculous tone of that
| comment, like they're freedom fighters. It's self-important
| bullshit.
| redundantly wrote:
| I love when soulless corporations bribe governments to keep a
| stranglehold on works of art that have impacted cultures
| around the world and prevent future artists from being able
| make more art and prevent the proper collection and
| preservation of these works and block the access to them, all
| so they can keep making money off of decades old IP.
|
| It goes both ways. There are no Saints to be found on either
| side.
|
| I don't care one bit about the pocketbooks of our corporate
| overlords, and neither should you.
| robertoandred wrote:
| Don't pretend you care about artists when you refuse to pay
| them.
| redundantly wrote:
| You shouldn't assume what I do or do not do.
|
| I take my kids to the movies. I subscribe to services
| like Apple Music and TV+, and HBO Max. We watch YouTube
| videos where there's sponsored content in them. We buy
| officially licensed merchandise like clothing and toys.
| We buy books, both physical and digital.
|
| And, frankly, it doesn't matter what I do personally.
| Millions, hell billions, of people around the world do as
| well.
|
| If artists are struggling it's because they're not
| getting paid properly by the corporations they work for,
| like Disney, Netflix, and others. It's not because of
| individuals like you or me or the people that run piracy
| sites.
| joe463369 wrote:
| In fairness, _somebody_ has to pay for the actors and the
| grips and the foley artists, and I 'm not particularly
| convinced that the pirate's stance of "I want it for 20
| cents, in 4k, and DRM free and if I can't have that then
| torrrenting it is my moral right" is either right or
| sustainable.
| redundantly wrote:
| > somebody has to pay for the actors and the grips and
| the foley artists
|
| They are paid. If they're not paid enough then that's on
| the companies behind the production of those shows and
| movies.
|
| These corporations make billions. Piracy isn't hurting
| them. However, these corporations are causing harm to
| society. It doesn't make sense to white knight for them.
| youreincorrect wrote:
| Many corporations make billions. That isn't an argument
| to not pay for the goods or services they offer.
|
| I'll add, since I'm not the person you were replying to,
| I don't care about who gets paid what. I don't care if
| the actors get paid or not. All I care about is some
| basic consistency if we're going to have morals about
| anything. Is it wrong to steal? Yes? Then piracy is
| wrong. (Or, no? Then let's skip this conversation
| entirely, you are my enemy.) Yeah, piracy is pretty easy.
| Yeah, it feels harmless when we do it. Should individuals
| get fined tens of thousands of dollars for infractions?
| No. But I'd say it's about as wrong as stealing a loaf of
| bread from a grocery store. To pretend it's a noble cause
| is transparent garbage, and unless you can pose an
| argument that doesn't complain about how much
| corporations make, I'm not interested.
|
| There appears to be nothing underpinning your worldview
| for why the industry you work in ought not allow open
| thievery, but this one should. Yes, their corporations
| make billions of dollars, just like in every other
| industry where theft is not tolerated. Or perhaps you
| support open thievery everywhere at any time, in which
| case, like I said, you are my enemy.
| unicornmama wrote:
| Someone should setup a torrent website on one of these
| decentralized blockchain technologies.
| MeltdownSpectre wrote:
| Really sad to hear this. I basically built my entire Plex server
| with RARBG.
|
| Anyone have any solid private tracker recommendations for movies
| and TV shows?
|
| After taking advantage of public trackers like RARBG, I feel like
| it's my time to give back.
| SamuelAdams wrote:
| The problem with private trackers isn't availability, it's
| getting in the door. You typically need to grind for 3-6 months
| on newer private trackers before you can get an invite to more
| well-established trackers.
|
| Unless you know someone already on the tracker and they are
| willing to vouch for you.
|
| If you want a list head over to /r/trackers and use the search
| function.
| pessimizer wrote:
| They were hard to get into 20 years ago, and from what I hear
| it seems to be nearly impossible now. Seems like they've
| protected themselves by staying small and not inviting
| strangers. I know some haven't distributed invites to general
| members (in good standing) for years.
| Thaxll wrote:
| https://1337x.to/
| mktk1001 wrote:
| Torrent leech is great for movies and tv.
| SSLy wrote:
| I recommend registering on some usenet indexer instead.
| loeg wrote:
| Hasn't binary Usenet been dead for something like a decade?
| Anything on the public NZB indexers got DMCA'd very quickly
| even many years ago.
| SSLy wrote:
| Well, there are also semi-private and private indexers. The
| binary stream size grows every week.
| blitzar wrote:
| I download all my linux ISO's through usenet these days.
| moffkalast wrote:
| That almost costs more than actually paying for the content.
| Zetaphor wrote:
| I pay ~$100 year and it's a far better experience than I've
| ever had with torrents
| moffkalast wrote:
| You also have to associate credit card info with illegal
| activity that leads directly back to your physical self.
| Pass.
| cyberge99 wrote:
| Nope. Most accept crypto.
| moffkalast wrote:
| Well unless it's Monero, it's still just as traceable and
| you pay twice as much in various transfer fees.
| luciusdomitius wrote:
| nope, bitcoin, doge and many others are pseudonymous and
| as long as you are not retarded enough to buy it
| someplace which requires KYC, it is stupidly difficult to
| trace it to your identity. Especially in court.
| b215826 wrote:
| Usenet is good for mainstream/relatively new content, but
| it's not easy to find less popular/old stuff there.
| notpushkin wrote:
| My experience has been opposite, actually. A couple times I
| got content from Usenet when all torrents I could find were
| already dead. (Usually I then seed those torrents, if the
| files from Usenet match)
| inversetelecine wrote:
| check out /r/trackers
|
| also watch entry level trackers for open invites. speed,
| iptorrents, torrentleech, etc
| robertoandred wrote:
| [flagged]
| saiya-jin wrote:
| Not only they had clean, easy-to-navigate UI, they also produced
| tons of their own releases. As big fan of saving space, x265
| 1080p releases from them were taking minimal space with good
| quality, practically always bundled with subtitles.
|
| That's how quality service looks like. Glad I pulled (here
| legally) all the movies I wanted in my private collection. RIP.
| zfxfr wrote:
| Wow that came as a shock. I used to check every couple of days if
| they had interesting movie I could watch with my wife. I wonder
| what is the cost of running such a site and I guess they must
| also earn some money in crypto with all the donation and also the
| advertisements. Well, that's the end of something
| yieldcrv wrote:
| its probably not the money cost, its the effort involved with
| more manual hosting if you can't risk being cancelled in the
| convenient data centers or platforms
| makach wrote:
| One Man's Death Is Another Man's Bread
| tawayasdf wrote:
| >> One Man's Death Is Another Man's Bread
|
| Who's bread is it? Most of the classic bt sites seem to have
| gone away from what I could see. Sad to see rarbg go.
| abwizz wrote:
| the "younger generation" (>2k) aren't used to the open net,
| they grew into moderated groups (fb), hence i suspect there
| is a massive number of hidden/private trackers
| starkparker wrote:
| lots of password-protected plex/media servers shared in
| invite-only discords, like a regression back to the days
| of knowing the phone number and login of that one BBS you
| knew about from a friend of a friend that posted cracked
| software
| altairprime wrote:
| I have been very excited to see us returning to private
| forums. This is not a harmful regression, certainly!
| freedomben wrote:
| If you don't know anybody in meat space who can invite
| you or tell you about it, how do you get in? How do you
| meet people?
| altairprime wrote:
| Hobbies and the social gatherings (both chat rooms and/or
| in person) that accompany them. See also the phrase
| Special Interest Groups, with context in both Brin's
| "Earth" and Vinge's "Deepness".
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| I think the younger generation just uses streaming sites.
| FMovies and 9anime work fine. I don't know anyone who
| torrents shows or movies now.
| lax4ever wrote:
| Those who don't want to be dependent on the whims of a
| conglomerate and would like to actually possess the data
| files.
| cykros wrote:
| The "streaming" referred to here referred to pirate sites
| a la Fmovies or Couchtuner. They're not quite as front
| and center as they were before Google decided to be the
| Internet police but there's always foreign search engines
| to light the way.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| That's not exactly a widely held viewpoint by the younger
| generation. Besides, it's not like the offshore streaming
| sites are engaging in revisionism or dropping shows to
| subscribing reasons.
| McDyver wrote:
| Not everyone knows about alternatives to streaming. For
| the daily 10000 (xkcd for reference), that's all they
| know. It's up to "us" to show them there are
| alternatives.
|
| https://xkcd.com/1053/
| throwawayadvsec wrote:
| torrent is usually available a few hours before streaming
| sites and you can get higher quality, so a bunch of
| people are still using them
| EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote:
| I looked at FMovies, it's all like VHS 320x240 quality
| streams, with rare 720p exceptions.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| On the Frontpage for me the only camrips are polite
| society and guardians 3,and both of those will be updated
| pretty soon I'd bet.
| easrng wrote:
| Yeah I do torrent sometimes (if the streaming sites have
| too low bitrate) but mostly I just use whatever FMHY
| links to.
| Qem wrote:
| Streaming is enshittifiying fast, with content
| fragmentation, and crackdowns on VPN usage and account
| sharing. People will start to migrate back to good old
| piracy, just because it's more convenient again.
| lbotos wrote:
| GP was talking about pirate streaming, not paid legit
| streaming services.
| sparky_z wrote:
| They're referring to pirate tube sites.
| [deleted]
| pengster wrote:
| so sad to read this - I know it's probably too late but if its a
| money question as they stated on the site, I would pay for it to
| remain!
| robertoandred wrote:
| You'd pay for the ability to steal?
| getcrunk wrote:
| Torrenting is not stealing. Stealing implies preventing the
| original owner use of the item
| [deleted]
| Simulacra wrote:
| Until another site takes its place
| dopa42365 wrote:
| >until
|
| it has always been just one of many such sites, no need to wait
| vachina wrote:
| Nothing rivals the curation of rarbg though. It's so well
| maintained it actually felt like browsing a library.
|
| Unfortunately none of the proxies copied that feature.
| haunter wrote:
| Pray for https://nyaa.si/ that's the goat tracker for anything
| Japan
| 5e92cb50239222b wrote:
| nyaa has already died once, and this replacement is nowhere
| near the old one wrt peer counts and content availability (the
| old one already wasn't great). I wish torrent trackers had kept
| their databases open, maybe by regularly publishing encrypted
| dumps with a dead man's switch on decryption keys. At least the
| new nyaa is FOSS, although the code isn't very useful without
| data.
| taopai wrote:
| I am not technical so maybe this questions sound stupid. But this
| topic really interests me.
|
| I read that Rarbg was like thepiratebay but safer. I guess that's
| due to moderation to check which torrents are safe, right?
|
| This people had a website that offered a nice UI to find
| torrents. Did they had ads to make money? So they offered their
| services to maintain healthy piracy in exchange of money and also
| to pay servers. (I am not criticize or judging I just want to
| understand how it worked)
|
| Would It be possible to share the same website using a torrent
| file? Like shipping and actualizing the website and sending to
| users trough torrent so they can search it locally? Or send a sql
| database and then create a UI for users to search trough it? Or
| would be complications because torrenting exposes our ip?
| NoMoreNicksLeft wrote:
| Sites can't be offered as torrents, because generally torrents
| are immutable once they have been created. You can't say "oops,
| that version of the file is wrong" and start offering the new
| version within that same torrent swarm.
|
| However, there was an update to the protocol, BEP44, that did
| allow you to update the already-in-progress torrent.
|
| Furthermore, there is a protocol called WebTorrent that swaps
| out some of the other base protocols for WebRTC, allowing a web
| browser to participate in the torrents. You could just include
| a link to the library via CDN. The trouble of course is that
| bittorrent now relies on DHT more and more (you wouldn't want
| to have to run a tracker, if you did it'd just be a target of
| legal attacks)... and WebTorrent can't do DHT (of any variety)
| well. There was a proposal to allow browsers to be able to do
| native network sockets, but I think that got turned down by
| Mozilla (maybe they were more concerned with doing VPN ads or
| something).
|
| But if you had that, then yes, it might be possible to have
| something like a "swarmsite" that didn't need to be hosted.
| beardog wrote:
| See ZeroNet, which uses bittorrent to sync websites,
| including support for dynamic content and accounts. (Accounts
| are somewhat centralized last i checked)
| https://github.com/HelloZeroNet/ZeroNet
|
| The main/original author disappeared but there are somewhat
| maintained community forks.
| sktrdie wrote:
| Torrents are immutable but they could just give us new
| torrents (with updated indexes) via chats/forums/etc. Then
| thanks to https://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0038.html we
| can just download the diff.
| NoMoreNicksLeft wrote:
| Check out https://www.bittorrent.org/beps/bep_0050.html .
| monkaiju wrote:
| Tragic
| aigoochamna wrote:
| I wonder how much it costs to run? I can't imagine it's too
| crazy.. data can be stored/cached easily and access is random and
| has some hot spots (recent torrents). Seems like it would be
| fairly cheap to run?
| doqq wrote:
| oh wow, sad news
| rejectfinite wrote:
| Related documentary TPB AFK: The Pirate Bay Away From Keyboard
| https://youtu.be/eTOKXCEwo_8
| adastra22 wrote:
| What is the best alternative? I know usually people use a seedbox
| + private torrent server. But which private server?
|
| RARBG was amazing because it had everything, but still curated
| the releases for minimum standards of quality. Is there an
| alternative out there?
| doublerabbit wrote:
| For educational reasons I'm going to suggest Usenet. Sure you
| have to pay $ for a few providers to obtain most 100% but it
| has everything that torrent has if not more.
|
| Not as convenient but you do get decent download speeds and if
| parts are broken you can normally repair with PAR2 which itself
| is alien tech.
|
| Provider backbone/list: https://svgshare.com/i/oti.svg
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| The Motion Picture Association is probably throwing free
| champagne around the offices and rejoicing about how that was the
| easiest pirate website takedown ever.
|
| Also, if I was the MPA, I would almost look into attrition
| tactics now, if that were legal. Create dozens and dozens and
| dozens of junk piracy websites with borked videos. Maybe the
| first half the movie in 720p, then the audio switches to Spanish
| and 240p black and white with flickering. Flood the market on
| every pirate website with the world's worst remuxes. Overwhelm
| them with junk so that nobody knows what tracker to trust for
| anything. Maybe even (with permission from rights holders) run
| some pirate websites with high-quality rips, then burn them to
| the ground after a year or two just to demoralize.
| villgax wrote:
| The only way I was able to archive certain show after the studios
| pulled it from any reasonable avenue of purchase....
| crazygringo wrote:
| Wow. Between Mullvad removing port forwarding 2 days ago ago [1]
| and now this, easy safe fast torrenting just got a bit harder.
| Talk about a one-two punch.
|
| [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36113215
| revskill wrote:
| What's this site for ? First time i know it.
| tokai wrote:
| Media piracy
| revskill wrote:
| Thanks. WHat's special about this, in comparison with other
| similar sites ?
| emptyfile wrote:
| [dead]
| dist-epoch wrote:
| Possibly the biggest one after ThePirateBay.
| SSLy wrote:
| Compared to other public spaces, relatively high quality of
| the content curation.
| skjoldr wrote:
| I wonder if they could host the database of magnet links
| somewhere, since it shouldn't be too big.
| abdusco wrote:
| I guess this is a reminder to support your pirated material
| source.
| SSLy wrote:
| Thank God PTP is back on a good track.
| [deleted]
| expertentipp wrote:
| Thank you RARBG team, you were the awesome part of the internet.
| Hope the crises will end favorably in the months to come.
| ArfathKhalid wrote:
| First heart break was when Kickass was taken down.. Now this. I
| am literally too sad over a website than my other life choices
| lol.. Love you RARBG team, will miss you till death. Good luck in
| your life's.
| BLKNSLVR wrote:
| I mean, it did take a pandemic, war, and rampant global inflation
| to finally kill it. Testament to the resilience it showed
| throughout its lifetime. I think it's somewhat poetic that it was
| unrelated to law enforcement pressure.
| hiofio wrote:
| [flagged]
| pdimitar wrote:
| What a shame. They could have asked for donations but me as an
| Eastern European, I get it -- usually if we get to the point of
| needing donations we feel ashamed and humiliated and just close
| shop.
|
| I hope somebody picks up the flag. Illegal and copyright-
| protected piracy aside, there were tons of royalty-free and non-
| copyright-enforced works of art there and it would be a big hit
| on humanity's culture at large for all that to be lost.
| rationalist wrote:
| I offered to donate money a while back, and they refused.
| codetrotter wrote:
| There's also a problem for pirate sites specifically that if
| they accept donations then this fact can be used later on in a
| trial, where the plaintiff party may use this as evidence that
| the pirate site is being run for profit, and which in turn may
| lead to higher fines, more jail time, etc, for the defendants.
| NoMoreNicksLeft wrote:
| If they were to receive funds via Bitcoin or Monero, is it
| even possible to pay for hosting with those funds directly?
| Or would they have to deal with shady exchanges that would
| invite money-laundering enforcement actions?
| robertoandred wrote:
| hahah paying to steal stuff
| thescriptkiddie wrote:
| more like voluntary contributing to the maintenance of an
| invaluable archive project
| dmos62 wrote:
| They did use aggressive popup ads via click-hijacking. So they
| were monetizing at least to some extent. Unfortunately for
| them, most people torrenting probably use ad protection.
| anticrymactic wrote:
| To my knowledge, they didn't. There were a lot of imposter
| sites, which were indistinguishable, where you'd be told to
| download a VPN or similar. But the main .to site never opened
| any ads for me
| TaylorAlexander wrote:
| It always did for me. The first time a torrent results page
| opens, the clicks open a new tab with ads. You had to
| refresh the results page to actually click through to the
| torrent.
| poisonarena wrote:
| they sure did! every half a dozen clicks! immediately
| blocked by my adblockers but i would still dig into the dev
| tools to try and figure it out occasionally
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| computerfriend wrote:
| The have been a lot of terrible casualties of the war, but this
| one was very unexpected.
|
| Deeply sad about this. Nothing lasts forever.
| puskuruk wrote:
| R.I.P rarbg... I'll miss you.
| OGITH wrote:
| [flagged]
| ajsnigrutin wrote:
| I really liked their rss feature, it made it easy to filter stuff
| and auto-download stuff...
|
| They will be missed!
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