[HN Gopher] Notes apps are where ideas go to die (2022)
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Notes apps are where ideas go to die (2022)
Author : pps
Score : 47 points
Date : 2023-05-31 09:11 UTC (13 hours ago)
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| djmips wrote:
| CLickbait using the phrase 'go to die'.
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| It's just the old idea of relieving your mind of remembering
| everything.
| Mizoguchi wrote:
| Bookmarked, will read it later.
| [deleted]
| jimsimmons wrote:
| Evernote context seemed great when I used it briefly with my
| premium subscription.
|
| Bubbles up relevant notes automatically without having to link
| them like in Obsidian or something.
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| I think apart from that or an Anki like system there's no way to
| solve this.
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| On the other hand maybe note taking is more about thinking and
| catalysing an idea and less about using in later
| dheera wrote:
| I don't agree with this.
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| A lot of my ideas are dependent on timing and that's why I write
| them down.
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| Like I have photography ideas for winter but it's not winter yet.
| Or something I want to do or eat the next time I go to a certain
| city but I don't want to fly to that city for that reason only.
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| This is one of my primary use of notes apps.
| jeron wrote:
| I actually disagree with this. For me, I find notes apps help me
| reflect on things. I daily journal into Notion. If you ask me
| what I did exactly seven days ago from today, I could tell you a
| rough idea from the top of my head but my Notes app would allow
| me to recall and tell you an answer. That, and it helps me flesh
| out ideas that I want to explore. If the idea was bad, I would
| jot it down and forget, but if it was really good I would
| definitely go back to it
| dang wrote:
| Discussed at the time:
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| _Notes apps are where ideas go to die, and that's good_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30344237 - Feb 2022 (158
| comments)
| TomDavey wrote:
| Thanks for recalling the earlier discussion. It includes
| testimonials to Emacs org-mode, and to the Zettelkasten package
| built atop org-mode, org-roam.
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| Org-mode can't be beat, IMO, if you live in Emacs all day long,
| as I do.
| juliushuijnk wrote:
| happy user of my own (free, no ads, no account, all locally
| stored) android app Idea Growr, and I have ideas in there that
| are many years old that I revisit. including the first entry,
| Idea Growr itself.
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| Why let go of old ideas? in a year you'll have a different
| perspective and a bad idea can become good or inspirational. I
| believe in quantity.
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| The app is for ideas only, so easy to retrieve. Most if not all
| my 'pet projects' started inside that app.
| waboremo wrote:
| I love this, and I love how disturbing it is for a lot of people
| (especially those who only read the title)!
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| We think we write to remember, but it's really the act of letting
| go as the article gets into as a theory, that really lets those
| notes become effective to us. We can revisit these notes at a
| later date, with fresh eyes, having forgotten about it entirely.
| It adds value, not because the original idea or note was
| particularly great, but because of what we are then combining it
| with (action and experience).
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| This is also why blindly making notes isn't effective as a form
| of memorizing. You are writing just to write, you have to revisit
| them blindly in a new way for them to become effective with a new
| combination. As if you are a chemist creating a new concoction
| previously thought impossible.
|
| So let your notes app become a giant trash pile. It's better for
| you, and they should do their job with proper search anyways.
| Don't spend time optimizing for note link graphs or any of that
| BS that doesn't help you and you absolutely will stop caring
| about those "features" in 5 months anyways. Such features are
| just productivity industry nonsense to make you feel productive
| while the content remains elusive to your mind.
| kajecounterhack wrote:
| I use plain text files (1 markdown doc per day) + grep so kind
| of in line with your recommendation here. But I've also tried
| Obsidian/Logseq and stuff like that for complex topics with
| interlinking, and I still think backlinks & knowledge graphs
| are useful and maybe better than just grep. Basic search relies
| on you to remember some keyword you want to search on, but
| networked notes let you traverse your old notes in faster more
| productive ways.
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| I revisit old notes maybe once a month, and every time I do
| that I wonder why I still haven't migrated fully to Logseq.
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| > Such features are just productivity industry nonsense to make
| you feel productive while the content remains elusive to your
| mind.
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| Don't forget that everyone has a different workflow and what
| works for you might not be ideal for someone else. Also
| Obsidian/Logseq are both free vs Roam/Notion/etc -- some people
| just intensely incorporate notes as a part of their workflow.
| [deleted]
| duncan-donuts wrote:
| > we think we right to remember, but it's really the act of
| letting go
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| I've found this to be true with writing music as well. Prior to
| recording stuff I found I'd play stuff that I had written a
| lot. The act of recording lets me forget those things and write
| more (and usually better) song ideas.
| tpmx wrote:
| Bah humbug. The premise of this article is extremely shallow.
|
| E.g. TextEdit.app (change default to plain text in settings) +
| saving text files to _one_ particular directory with reasonable
| file names + regular maintenance (like twice a year) + Mac full
| text indexing /search works pretty well for me.
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| The thing is: After 6 months it's actually interesting to go
| through your old notes. The Finder preview makes it a matter of
| one keypress per file.
| junon wrote:
| That's kind of the point of the article, though. The title is a
| little click-baity.
| jbverschoor wrote:
| Not just notes..
|
| Everything these days is either archived, or gets lost in "the
| feed".
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| I really miss the concept of a Desktop. A place where current
| work is done.
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| Unfortunately, people think that the filesystem is not for the
| endusers.. everything is solid per app, and hidden in it.
|
| Ahh BeOS, where everything was a file.
| yokoprime wrote:
| <<Documentation>> is always digital for me, but all my working
| notes are hand written and scattered over my desk at work.
| Every so often I have to clean up the mess and go through my
| notes. Most of it is trash, some have been reworked as digital
| notes and sometimes I find some rare glimpse of past me
| inspiring current me.
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