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Music Company Asks Google to Delist 'YouTube Downloader' Wikipedia
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Date : 2023-05-28 19:00 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| shams93 wrote:
| Sounds like the don't understand that official music and video
| content like rental films are DRMed - youtube-dl and other
| downloads error out when trying to download DRMed content.
| kmeisthax wrote:
| The official music industry position is that _all_ YouTube
| content is DRMed, whether or not it invokes an EME decryption
| module, because the URLs are obfuscated. They 've been trying
| to get YouTube downloaders banned for years now on that basis.
| bitwize wrote:
| The URL obfuscation probably counts as an "effective"
| copyright protection measure under the DMCA. YouTube download
| sites and tools are thus illegal.
| themerone wrote:
| As long as it can be copied from the URL bar, there is no
| copy protection.
| jffry wrote:
| The URL of the actual media files is different than the
| video ID in the URL
| bitwize wrote:
| There's some obfuscation going on fetching the actual
| audio and video, the URLs to which are never shown to the
| user. Those URLs are decoded with a bit of JavaScript.
| Youtube-dl (and yt-dlp) contain enough of a JavaScript
| interpreter to evaluate that JavaScript in order to
| decode the URL.
|
| Since the purpose of the obfuscated URLs and JavaScript
| is to gate access to the video and audio through a
| browser hitting the YouTube site where they can't be
| saved, this scheme constitutes an "effective" copy
| protection measure. Bypassing this gating mechanism is
| thus circumvention, illegal under the DMCA.
| aprilllll wrote:
| Surprisingly enough, it's even simpler than that. You can
| trivially access a direct URL that serves the entire
| video or audio (they're served as different files).
|
| Just open up DevTools, look for requests to
| googlevideo.com, find the request with the video or audio
| (i.e. content-type response of either video/mp4 or
| audio/webm), copy the entire request URL, remove the
| range parameter entirely, open the link, and voila!
| gwd wrote:
| FWIW I've never seen this happen. In fact, I've handed Youtube
| Music URLs to yt-dlp and so far haven't had any problems
| downloading the content. (Admittedly I don't do this often; but
| at least one of the things I downloaded was a soundtrack by
| Disney, whom I'd expect to be more strict about this sort of
| thing.)
| jeroenhd wrote:
| youtube-dl will error out. yt-dlp works differently, and
| works with more videos.
|
| I believe youtube-dl simulates the browser Javascript client
| and yt-dlp emulates the Android client, though I'm not 100%
| sure of the modern workings.
| codetrotter wrote:
| > youtube-dl and other downloads error out when trying to
| download DRMed content
|
| Can you give an example of a YouTube video where this happens?
|
| Take for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ozmU9cJDg
|
| That's a video of a song from the channel of the band that
| killed the Napster P2P network and software back in the day.
|
| I hear that there is no problem downloading that song with yt-
| dlp.
|
| Likewise, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FTATjvCJ-Q
|
| That's a video with music from a YouTube channel owned by one
| of the most copyright lawyered cartoon companies in the world.
| They successfully made videos of a cartoon mouse stay protected
| after it was supposed to enter public domain.
|
| Yet, I hear that this video is also able to be downloaded
| without problem with yt-dlp.
|
| So when these videos are able to download without problem, idk
| what public videos on YouTube would not be able to be
| downloaded with yt-dlp.
| netrus wrote:
| Presumably those only accessibly with YouTube Music or for a
| fee (movie rentals).
| codetrotter wrote:
| Idk, I don't use YouTube Music.
|
| Parent commenter said:
|
| > Sounds like the don't understand that official music and
| video content like rental films are DRMed
|
| And that's what I was responding to. Not YouTube Music.
|
| There are plenty videos with music from the original
| distributors, like those I linked above, on regular
| YouTube, and which as mentioned will be able to download
| with yt-dlp.
| antasvara wrote:
| The piece mentioning "rental films" leads me to believe
| they're referring to the paid content available on YouTube.
| Much like Amazon Video or other sites, YouTube allows movies
| to be rented or purchased. These are unable to be downloaded
| via programs like yt-dlp.
|
| This is not in reference to copyright. It's in reference to
| DRM, which isn't present on public videos (but seems to be
| present on purchased and rented videos).
| EGreg wrote:
| All those other ones you hadn't mentioned. The true scotsman
| videos
| [deleted]
| kylecazar wrote:
| I've found that most every song I've searched for on YouTube is
| on there in one form another (music video, lyrics video, etc). I
| have YouTube premium, so I don't see ads, and can download the
| videos.
| zeta0134 wrote:
| I mostly consume videogame soundtracks as my background music.
| My downloader script solves several problems:
|
| - I can play the entire OST on company / otherwise awful
| internet, where bandwidth is not free
|
| - The player doesn't pause midway through every 3rd track to
| obnoxiously ask me if I'm "still listening"
|
| - When the OST inevitably vanishes from youtube, I still have
| it to listen to
|
| (Mind that many of these OSTs are not available for purchase
| where I live, so this isn't a "vote with my wallet" sort of
| situation. Nintendo in particular is _real_ bad about this.)
|
| There are other more elegant solutions, but unfortunately the
| means through which I've purchased the game's soundtrack the
| normal way (the game itself) is generally a poor means to
| actually listen to it. I would pay for this service if it
| existed; where's spotify for soundtracks? But no, it doesn't
| exist, so tech solutions get to deal with the problems. I do at
| least pay for YouTube Premium, that's the closest thing, but
| I'm not going to suffer its various inconveniences if there's a
| better option for the actual playback.
| williamcotton wrote:
| What video games? Are they video games you played with
| friends and family? Do you associate meaningful life events
| with the games or the songs?
|
| I want to write a song about video game music and I'd like
| to, erhm, "borrow" parts of your life story. :D
| HideousKojima wrote:
| Sometimes they're just good songs? For example the
| soundtrack to _Nier: Replicant_ could go head to head with
| anything big name Hollywood composers have written.
| williamcotton wrote:
| There's got to be some social reason why you're listening
| to Nier: Replicant as opposed to something else.
|
| I didn't expect any downvotes, but it seems I hit a
| nerve.
|
| I'm sorry if I offended anyone, that wasn't my intention,
| I just don't know anything about the kinds of people who
| would listen to video game soundtracks. I figured there
| might be some stories to share.
| impendia wrote:
| I sometimes listen to video game soundtracks while I
| work. Usually older stuff in my case: Legacy of the
| Wizard (NES), Shadowgate (NES), Final Fantasy IV/VI
| (SNES), etc.
|
| I don't have a particularly interesting story to share.
| The music is familiar and brings back good memories; it
| is energizing; and it is easy to listen to.
|
| In the original game setting, the music would play in the
| background and hype you up for whatever task you were
| trying to accomplish. Nowadays, instead of attempting to
| defeat the Warlock Lord, I'm trying to finish a section
| of a research paper. Both tasks, at least in my view,
| call for the same mood.
| zztop44 wrote:
| I think it was just your comment maybe felt like it was
| implying they were doing something weird or unusual.
|
| I also listen to a lot of video game music when coding.
| Why? One night, years ago, I got talking to an Uber
| driver about music and he shared a Spotify playlist of
| video game tracks. Years later, I generally listen to the
| full soundtracks of the games he included in that
| playlist (most of which I've never played or even heard
| of). Thanks Munib!
| zeta0134 wrote:
| Dozens and dozens, too many to list. Modern favorites
| include Celeste, Hades, Ibb and Obb, Shovel Knight, Paper
| Mario: The Origami King, and Cadence of Hyrule, just to
| name a few.
|
| No life events really, it's just that when I code I prefer
| my music to not have lyrics, and soundtracks are pretty
| much perfect for that. They're often designed as background
| tracks anyway, and a given soundtrack tends to have
| consistent atmosphere, good for setting the mood for some
| task.
| KomoD wrote:
| Yeah but YouTube premium doesn't work the same way, sure you
| can download but it doesn't give you an mp4 or anything?
| rvnx wrote:
| The YouTube frontend downloads the video file (the .mp4) from
| googlevideo.com/videoplayback and adds it to a locally
| playable playlist.
|
| However, the implementation is really wacky.
|
| If you are online and you go to watch a video that you have
| previously downloaded, then instead of serving you the
| locally cached version through the service worker, instead
| the frontend redownloads the whole video.
|
| Again, and again, every time you watch it.
|
| So if your goal is to save mobile data, or if your goal is to
| save a video that might possibly be deleted in the future, it
| is not working.
| TRiG_Ireland wrote:
| Does the YouTube app really download the video again each
| time you play it? I have noticed that downloaded videos
| always play in full quality. (In fact, that's the main
| reason I use downloads: play a short, stop it, go to
| history, download the short, then play it again. Because
| shorts have no quality control option, and also no download
| option except from the watch history. Shorts have a very
| weird and annoying UI. It's also impossible to add them to
| a playlist.)
| aPoCoMiLogin wrote:
| its more like download in netflix/spotify where the
| downloaded content is on your device but not directly
| accessible, only via the application (or website).
|
| on the other hand, if you have yt premium, you have yt music
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| sacrosancty wrote:
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