[HN Gopher] Tarkovsky's films online for free
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Tarkovsky's films online for free
Author : bookofjoe
Score : 676 points
Date : 2023-05-27 17:46 UTC (1 days ago)
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| tombert wrote:
| I liked Solaris while watching it, but it's one of those movies
| that's kind of "stuck" with me. I find myself thinking about it
| at random moments, just kind of pondering its themes. I've always
| been interested in the fine line of "real" and "creation" (my
| favorite movie is Ghost in the Shell (1995)), and I think Solaris
| does a good job exploring the interesting themes about how our
| memories of a person an the actual person are different _and_ the
| same.
|
| It being free on YouTube is as good of an excuse as any to re-
| watch it.
| perfunctory wrote:
| If you really want to watch this, do it after the war, after
| Russia withdraws from Ukraine. Not now.
| parthianshotgun wrote:
| I wonder, why? I certainly won't be monetarily supporting
| Russia directly.
| PyWoody wrote:
| I'm surprised no one has mentioned Tarkovsky's clear influence on
| Terrence Malick's style. If you like anything by Malick, say,
| _The Tree of Life_ or the most recent _A Hidden Life_ , you
| should at least watch _Mirror_ or _Stalker_.
| david927 wrote:
| He is not just one of the two or three greatest directors ever
| but also wildly influential. Genius.
|
| Exhibit A: https://vimeo.com/153979733
| nimbleal wrote:
| Interesting-- I like both but I wouldn't think of Tarkovsky as
| having an influence on Malick. What would you say are the
| similarities, for you? Tarkovsky is intensely formal, seems
| blocked to the point of almost being choreographed, while
| Malick is quite the opposite in both regards.
| mongol wrote:
| I saw A Hidden Life within the last month and it is one of the
| best movies I have seen. I have also seen Stalker and after an
| interesting start it eventually bored me. I can see why you
| make the comparison, but I found them very different.
| PyWoody wrote:
| If you liked _A Hidden Life_ , you should definitely give
| _Mirror_ a watch. I think you 'd enjoy it!
| mongol wrote:
| I am willing to give it a try, thanks!
| Eliah_Lakhin wrote:
| Tarkovsky's "Stalker" is loosely based on the "Roadside
| Picnic"[1] a sci-fi novel of Strugatsky brothers.
|
| A. and B. Strugatsky are not that much recognized in the western
| countries as Andrey Tarkovsky, but they made significant
| contribution to the Russian literature of XX century, and their
| books are still popular in the post-soviet countries. In
| particular, the Roadside Picnic influenced many modern sci-fi
| works too, including, for example, the "S.T.A.L.K.E.R." and the
| "Metro" video game series.
|
| Tarkovsky's "Stalker" is quite distinctive from Strugatsky's
| novel both in style and plot, but the screenplay of the movie was
| written by Strugatsy brothers too. Basically, they made
| completely different work in the same setting, but following
| completely different narrative. Also, they included a lot of
| pieces from their other (lesser famous) work "The Ugly Swans"
| into the screenplay, which is closer to Tarkovsky's film style.
| For example, the Writer's monologue[2] is just a direct
| translation of the same monologue from The Ugly Swans.
|
| "Solaris", another Tarkovsky's famous sci-fi movie, based on
| Stanislav Lem's novel of the same title, was a more controversial
| work. Stanislav Lem made quite critical reception of this
| adaptation that simplifies and distorted his novel's original
| ideas. However, I think that Tarkovsky's "Solaris" is still the
| best adaptation of this book we currently have.
|
| Aside from this, I would recommend "Ivan's Childhood" a war movie
| about orphaned child, and the "Andrei Rublev" a historical movie
| about the famous Russian Orthdox icon painter set place in the
| late middle ages, and about survival of artistic people in hard
| times.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_Picnic
|
| [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIoSI1Eqak
| atombender wrote:
| The reason Stalker is so different from Roadside Picnic is very
| simply that Tarkovsky made the film twice, the second time
| without the original script.
|
| He spent an entire summer filming the Strugatskys' original
| screenplay. But he was using American Kodak 5247 film stock
| that was found to be out of date. He tried several times to
| confirm the problem with the Soviet processing lab, but they
| were unfamiliar with the stock, and only by the time he was
| done shooting did they realize that the filmed footage was in
| fact unusable. Tarkovsky himself suspected it may have been
| sabotage. Apparently (I've never been able to confirm this) the
| sepia footage at the beginning of the film is from this
| footage.
|
| Tarkovsky was at this point despondent, not just unhappy with
| the destruction of his footage, but also with the direction the
| film was taking, and with his cinematographer (Rerberg, who was
| critical of the film and the script), whom he fired shortly
| thereafter. While negotiating with the Soviet film board to get
| more money and time to reshoot the film, he had several
| workshops with the Strugatskys to try to develop a better
| screenplay. Eventually Boris gave up and flew back home, but
| Arkady persisted, and finally wrote Tarkovsky a short treatment
| that suggested reducing the entire film to a bare-bones, more
| philosophical story with nameless characters and very few overt
| scifi elements. He then encouraged Tarkovsky to go do his own
| thing.
|
| This appears to have been the breakthrough that helped
| Tarkovsky find the direction and inspiration he needed, and he
| used the treatment as the basis for a new screenplay that ended
| up having very little to do with the book. He wrote
| enthuastically to Arkady that for the first time as a director
| he had a screenplay he could call his own. (His previous films
| had all been written by others, or collaborations, and mostly
| adaptations.)
|
| Eventually, Tarkovsky was able to negotiate with the film board
| to shoot a two-part film instead. They would pretend his first
| shoot, which had already been financed, was the "first part",
| and he received the necessary funding to shoot the second half.
| The Strutgatskys, who were still credited, weren't very happy
| with the final film.
|
| The whole story of Stalker is complicated. I recommend the book
| "The Films of Andrei Tarkovsky: A Visual Fugue", by Johnson and
| Petrie, for more information.
| leoc wrote:
| (Some of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games
| https://store.steampowered.com/franchise/stalker happen to be
| on sale on Steam atm.)
| nathias wrote:
| always have been
| the-mitr wrote:
| If you are on mosfilm do watch this gem of a sci-fi dystopian
| dark comedy film Kin Dza Dza
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUtZOl_QxvY
|
| and White Tiger
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soRIjIJAUfA
| jFriedensreich wrote:
| being on youtube is great, but if you have a chance to see
| stalker in a cinema or a better digitized higher resolution
| version, i highly recommend it. this movie has among the most
| beautiful film grain and colors i have seen and this dimension is
| mostly absent on the linked digitization. this is also probably
| the worst movie for this to happen as the pace and composition
| require a nearly meditative immersion into the scenes, like
| looking at a great oil painting without enough resolution to see
| the brush strokes.
| dang wrote:
| Related. others?
|
| _How 'Stalker' claimed the life of Andrei Tarkovsky and his
| wife_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32588569 - Aug 2022
| (1 comment)
|
| _The Drenching Richness of Andrei Tarkovsky_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29782009 - Jan 2022 (79
| comments)
|
| _The Drenching Richness of Andrei Tarkovsky_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26132544 - Feb 2021 (1
| comment)
|
| _The Drenching Richness of Andrei Tarkovsky_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26126004 - Feb 2021 (44
| comments)
|
| _Andrei Tarkovsky's Message to the Young: "Learn to Be Alone"
| (2015)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22196779 - Jan
| 2020 (91 comments)
|
| _Andrei Tarkovsky - Poetic Harmony [video]_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11601651 - April 2016 (18
| comments)
|
| _Tarkovsky Films Free Online (2010)_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7107215 - Jan 2014 (52
| comments)
| dho9yr wrote:
| [flagged]
| dho9yr wrote:
| [flagged]
| haunter wrote:
| Funny that he actually already blogged about this back when they
| became available in 2010 (Mosfilm since introduced a new channel
| guess that's where the newness come from)
|
| https://kottke.org/10/07/tarkovsky-films-online-for-free-vie...
| rickstanley wrote:
| If anyone is wondering if there's any relation with the
| S.T.A.L.K.E.R. games, like me: > While not a
| direct adaptation, the video game series S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is
| heavily influenced by Roadside Picnic. The first game in the
| series, S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl, references many
| important plot points from the book, such as the wish granter and
| the unknown force blocking the path to the center of the zone. It
| also contains elements such as anomalies and artifacts that are
| similar to those described in the book, but that are created by a
| supernatural ecological disaster, not by alien visitors.
|
| from Wikipedia:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadside_Picnic#Adaptations_an...,
| unfortunately no concrete reference to actual interview or
| statement from the developers is provided in the page.
|
| Also, about Metro 2033 (game): > The book is
| referenced in the post-apocalyptic video game Metro 2033. A
| character shuffles through a shelf of books in a ruined library
| and finds Roadside Picnic, he states that it is "something
| familiar". Metro 2033 was created by individuals who had worked
| on S.T.A.L.K.E.R. before founding their own video game
| development company. The game was based on a novel of the same
| name which also took influence from Roadside Picnic.
| AdrianB1 wrote:
| I read the book and played all the STALKER games, the games are
| based on the aproximate universe but that is all.
| the_af wrote:
| I don't think S.T.A.L.K.E.R. bears much relation to Roadside
| Picnic. There are no monsters in the novel (the zombies are
| "returned people" and are harmless), and the deadly traps are
| unknowable and nonsentient things more like forces of nature
| rather than beasts hunting people. Plus there's no
| radioactivity nor connection to Chernobyl. The plot happens in
| an unnamed American city, even!
|
| The novel is not a horror novel. It may be considered
| existential horror, though.
| thriftwy wrote:
| The game is more like the Stalker movie than the book.
|
| In the book there were research missions and active urban life
| as well as smuggling, whereas the movie is spearheaded on going
| through the Zone while uninvited. The movie also has the post-
| apoc vibe whereas the book does not. The whole point of book is
| co-existence of the unknown with normal(ish) human society.
| dclowd9901 wrote:
| Dang. Now this makes me wonder if Annihilation is based on
| Stalker.
| Galicarnax wrote:
| Was re-watching The Limits of Control by Jim Jarmusch recently,
| and realised it had a reference to Tarkovsky's Stalker in the
| scene with the "cinema lady".
|
| _" The best films are like dreams you're never sure you've
| really had. I have this image in my head of a room full of sand.
| And a bird flies towards me, and dips its wing into the sand. And
| I honestly have no idea whether this image came from a dream, or
| a film"_
| Schiendelman wrote:
| Jarmusch's "Ghost Dog" takes quite a few ideas from Tarkovsky's
| work.
| DubiousPusher wrote:
| And 'Le Samourai' for that matter. Great flick!
| dho9yr wrote:
| [flagged]
| mdswanson wrote:
| It might help new viewers to understand that Tarkovsky viewed
| film as art, not entertainment. As such, he purposely avoided
| strong narratives or plots, instead focusing on poetry, mood, and
| time.
|
| From the book "Sculpting in Time" by Tarkovsky himself: "I find
| poetic links, the logic of poetry in cinema, extraordinarily
| pleasing. They seem to me perfectly appropriate to the potential
| of cinema as the most truthful and poetic of art forms. Certainly
| I am more at home with them than with traditional theatrical
| writing which links images through the linear, rigidly logical
| development of the plot. That sort of fussily correct way of
| linking events usually involves arbitrarily forcing them into
| sequence in obedience to some abstract notion of order. And even
| when this is not so, even when the plot is governed by the
| characters, one finds that the links which hold it together rest
| on a facile interpretation of life's complexities."
| 1shooner wrote:
| >He purposely avoided strong narratives or plots, instead
| focusing on poetry, mood, and time.
|
| Somewhat similar to Terrence Malick in that way (but I'd say
| Malick is much more approachable).
| tombert wrote:
| I think we have to agree to disagree; I found The Tree of
| Life (the only Malick movie I've managed to finish) to be a
| boring, incomprehensible mess of a movie, while Solaris and
| Stalker have been, in my opinion, somewhat interesting
| things.
| 1shooner wrote:
| You know, I might have had a similar reaction to Tree of
| life. But I thought the extended versions of The New World
| and Days of Heaven shared the same relationship between
| aesthetic and mood vs. narrative that I see in Stalker. You
| do not, however, get any Tarkovskysque monologues on
| metaphysics from Richard Gere or Colin Ferrell.
| bag_boy wrote:
| I need to watch Solaris and Stalker.
|
| Tree of Life was one of my favorite film experiences ever,
| but I wouldn't care to watch it again.
|
| I'm curious - why did you feel like Tree of Life was
| incomprehensible?
| tombert wrote:
| If I'm being 100% honest, I haven't seen the movie in
| more than a decade and I barely remember it, outside of
| the general "not liking it" feeling.
|
| If it shows up on Netflix or something I might give it
| another go; it's not rare for me to like a movie more on
| a second viewing.
| mistercheph wrote:
| Realistically, that movie is not going to be on Netflix
| any time in the next decade
| mongol wrote:
| The Thin Red Line is one of my top films, and I walked out
| of The Tree of Life. Only afterwards did I realize they
| were directed by the same guy. And then this spring I saw A
| Hidden Life. I thought it was absolutely fantastic. I plan
| to rewatch The Tree of Life to see if I like it better than
| first time. Perhaps I was not in the mood for that type of
| movie that particular evening.
| 0xr0kk3r wrote:
| [flagged]
| StrangeATractor wrote:
| Weird fact about Stalker, they were shooting in disused USSR
| factories that had just been left as-is -- a lot of people on set
| got cancer not much longer after shooting, likely from being
| around so much industrial waste.
|
| It's also way better than the book it was based on IMO (
| _Roadside Picnic_ ).
| ConanRus wrote:
| [dead]
| lightdot wrote:
| > a lot of people on set got cancer not much longer after
| shooting, likely from being around so much industrial waste
|
| Is there a credible source for this statement?
| jFriedensreich wrote:
| the main source seems to be the sound technician and two
| members of the set dying of the same form of cancer.
| https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/stalker-killed-andrei-tarkovsky
| slackfan wrote:
| Well also Tarkovsky died from cancer not a whole lot of
| time after.
| the_af wrote:
| Interesting...
|
| ... because I was just reading about Michael J. Fox's
| Parkinson's disease (because of his recent movie "Still")
| and apparently he and two other people who worked in his
| earliest TV show (where he was a secondary character) got
| early onset Parkinson's, and he claims this is a mere
| coincidence, not enough to consider this a relevant
| "cluster" of Parkinson's.
|
| In both cases it's three people who worked closely together
| catching a relatively rare disease. I wonder if it's
| relevant for Tarkovsky, given that Michael J. Fox thinks it
| wasn't relevant for him...
| jFriedensreich wrote:
| well the main difference seems to be that some crew in
| stalker stated they had the sense of being poisoned in
| that dust and fume cloud and also developed accute
| allergic reactions. Its still all just based on the
| statements of the sound technician, i did not find
| interviews with other crew that said the same, but i'm
| sure there are some interview transcriptions in russian
| print somewhere. In the end the best source would
| probably be the estonian death statistics for cancer
| increases closer to those areas or further downstream the
| same river.
| bookofjoe wrote:
| That's interesting to me: I found the book far more compelling
| than the film.
|
| "Roadside Picnic" pdf: https://soviethistory.msu.edu/wp-
| content/uploads/2015/10/pic...
| Toutouxc wrote:
| IMO the Stalker game is like the darkest and most raw take of
| the general theme, the movie is the most philosophical and
| artsy take and the book is somewhere in the middle. And
| they're all worth it.
| the_af wrote:
| I think the Stalker game bears little to no relation to the
| novel. The novel is not about shooting things up and there
| are neither monsters nor radioactivity.
| sfpotter wrote:
| Hard to compare. They're completely different in terms of
| plot, mood, style... everything, really. Roadside Picnic has
| the signature Strugatsky Bros dark comedy running through it,
| while Stalker really has no comedic elements whatsoever. I
| prefer the book, for what it's worth. OTOH, I prefer the film
| Solaris to the Lem novel.
| aidenn0 wrote:
| I need to reread _Solaris_. I read it when I was like 14 so
| it was a bit beyond me at the time.
| bookofjoe wrote:
| https://archive.org/details/B-001-001-236
| cubefox wrote:
| Coincidentally, the German translation of Roadside Picnic
| has an afterword by Lem.
| pavlov wrote:
| The Stalker shooting locations are actually close to Tallinn in
| Estonia, a former Soviet republic that's an EU and NATO member
| today. So if watching the film turns you into a super fan, it's
| not too hard to go visit the sites!
| BulgarianIdiot wrote:
| I want cancer
| jFriedensreich wrote:
| that is so crazy i was in one of the shooting locations
| yesterady by accident (it is now a kultural venue location)
| and wondered why an area there had the name "stalker", of
| course i thought about my favorite movie but i never
| considered it being filmed where i live. thanks for this mind
| blow
| countrymile wrote:
| I took my wife to be on a week long tarkovsky crawl of
| Tuscany. The locations used in nostalgia are something
| else.
| ogurechny wrote:
| It was initially supposed to be filmed at factories, but there
| was a change of plans and circumstances (the first of many
| others which resulted in constant rewriting of the script,
| succession of three cameramen, and summer of 1978 spent on
| remaking shots from summer of 1977).
|
| Outdoor shooting happened at Rotermanni Quarter, an old factory
| area next to the port of Tallinn, at various factories and
| train stations around the city, and at the old unused dam
| nearby. Scene of family leaving the bar takes place at the ash
| pond of Moscow Combined Power Plant #20 (in background) with
| its drainage chutes:
|
| https://pastvu.com/p/451104
|
| Don't miss the source link, because it's a memoir of second
| assistant camera technician with lots of photos:
|
| https://immos.livejournal.com/67613.html
|
| As for foamy wastewater, it came from the pulp mill. Its
| contents and potential toxicity could be anything, depending on
| part of the cycle that dumped the byproducts. Turpentine was a
| good candidate, and it could be combined with sawdust
| particles. However, if spending a couple of months by the river
| could give people cancer, local people would also have it.
|
| Note that the mill opened in 1938, so, depending on who you
| ask, either the river had already been dead before Soviet era,
| or it was constantly being polluted in each year of it. To my
| unprofessional eye, the flow of Jagala river is way too small
| to effectively dilute the waste (nor all the little dams help
| it), but it was an important project economically:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kehra#Pulp_Mill
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| The film was also lost in a lab and completely reshot
|
| edit: by lost I mean the usability was lost. it was destroyed
| in chemical process. thx for pointing out it was just half. but
| his textural differences are explained also by technique, he
| did it in his other works even through his late career (mixing
| sepia segments, different processing even in his final film)
| Ryder123 wrote:
| It wasn't lost but something went wrong with the film
| development on about half of it. I believe that's why it has
| two such distinct film styles (which also happens to work
| quite well for the film).
| JenrHywy wrote:
| The colour grading on Stalker on YouTube seems quite different to
| other versions floating around. The YT version seems to have lost
| the heavy yellow cast of the other versions.
|
| Does anyone know which is "correct"? It makes quite a difference
| to the feel of the film.
| sorokod wrote:
| Link to the Mosfilm YouTube
|
| https://m.youtube.com/@Mosfilm_eng/videos
| [deleted]
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| I just bookmarked three of these. I have watched Tarkovsky's
| version of Solaris at least 3 times (and the American version
| with George Clooney and Natascha McElhone 5 or 6 times) - I love
| that story and both movies are so very good!
| noisy_boy wrote:
| Natascha McElhone - a timeless beauty. Became a fan of her
| since The Truman Show.
| cubefox wrote:
| Sounds like you would also like the novel. The Kindle version
| is a new translation by Bill Johnston. The previous one was a
| flawed retranslation (from Polish to French to English).
| mark_l_watson wrote:
| Thanks, I just got that translation. I had read the previous
| translation.
| archagon wrote:
| Unlike most other cinema I've experienced, I find Tarkovsky's
| films tedious to watch, but tremendously meaningful in
| retrospect. One of the greatest directors of all time, to be
| sure.
| hamilyon2 wrote:
| English hardsub is a savage move.
|
| Looks like all movies are hardsubbed
| haunter wrote:
| Mosfilm actually has 2 channels and the original older one has
| normal YT subs, but the movies are more geolocation restricted,
| they are not available in the US, UK, Canada.
|
| Solaris for example
|
| https://youtu.be/6-4KydP92ss
|
| https://polsy.org.uk/stuff/ytrestrict.cgi?ytid=https%3A%2F%2...
| jwilk wrote:
| What's the other channel's URL?
| haunter wrote:
| https://youtube.com/@MosfilmRuOfficial
| JKCalhoun wrote:
| Better than harddubbed?
| anonymfus wrote:
| The best way to watch these movies would be by pirating them from
| the RuTracker, as that way you will be sure that you are not
| contributing any views or advertisement money to the Mosfilm,
| with a bonus of much higher bitrates.
|
| Here are the links:
|
| Solaris -- https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6191155
|
| Stalker -- https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6182463
|
| Ivan's Childhood --
| https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6194960
|
| The Mirror -- https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6194964
|
| Andrei Rublev --
| https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6194948
|
| The Passion According to Andrei --
| https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5820633
|
| Battleship Potemkin by Sergei Eisenstein is in public domain, and
| so you can legally watch any other upload on YouTube instead of
| Mosfilm's, for example
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsQcljysO-8
| thrdbndndn wrote:
| Why? What's wrong with Mosfilm?
| rgbgraph wrote:
| [flagged]
| justsomehnguy wrote:
| > , been churning out glorified war films
|
| Should I never ever pay for a Hollywood film?
| rgbgraph wrote:
| [flagged]
| themodelplumber wrote:
| Nice
|
| Plus if you are not in an a t m o s p h e r i c mood, you can
| watch Moscow - Cassiopeia (kids space film) and Kuryer (coming
| of age comedic drama in EOL CCCP) instead.
|
| And then The War of the Worlds: Next Century with Iron Idem for
| dark comedy that's even less a fan of Soviet stuff
| AdrianB1 wrote:
| Kuryer was a movie that impressed me much when I saw it
| first, back in ~ 1988. I searched for it for 30 years and I
| found it on Internet a few years ago, I saw it again and I
| got the same hit in the head as in '88. It is not a light
| movie to see, a bottle of vodka aside might help if you were
| of that age in Eastern Europe in the 80-es.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| As you're interested in identity and profiles, do you have
| any comments on how Ivan and Katya had (realistically or
| mistakenly) thought the other would have affected their own
| identities? (and where does Kolya see himself in 5-10 years?
| "most likely to become a New Russian"?)
| themodelplumber wrote:
| Interesting q. It's been a while since I last saw the film.
|
| But I saw Katya as a distant, hidden ideal for Ivan. In
| terms of her reflection on him being hidden from his
| consciousness.
|
| She's far more idealistic in terms of silent goodness /
| valuing mindset. This is like the Stanislav Kurilov
| mindset. Calm, but knowing deeply that things like
| repression and conscription for short-sighted power goals
| are not ultimately acceptable.
|
| Refined in character, nearly angelic, but how? And what
| does it mean? This is Ivan's unconscious puzzle.
|
| To her, he seems to ground her. She understands him almost
| as a pet, so this perhaps explains a bit. But in this
| situation she can't yet express to him fully what the above
| implies for him. Her deeper consciousness is not available
| to him.
|
| IMO this is where we got a lot of the emergent criminality
| in the 90s chaos (beyond what existed already), this
| disconnect. Those who can make values conscious but who
| will not force the message, formed the moralistic vitality
| of change. And those who will take action but who do not
| naturally tend to values form the vitality of force seeking
| direction. This contributes to broad chaos toward a
| structural vacuum. Something must be done in the idea space
| in order to propagate the values further. A very difficult
| problem for most of humanity at this point in time.
|
| Just some thoughts though. Hope I understood some of what
| you were getting at. Please share your own thoughts if you
| would like.
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| I'm afraid I don't have the same analytic toolbox that
| you do, so I had no thoughts on them to this depth,
| thanks.
|
| Something that did strike me is that, as a teenager on
| the other side of the iron curtain, I had been chasing
| girls at the local residential private school, who
| introduced me to anime -- so the scene where Katya's
| friends are watching live-action japanese media seemed
| like a nice parallel (at least post-Glasnost) in our
| lives.
| themodelplumber wrote:
| That's awesome :-) It's a wonderful film for that kind of
| retrospective cultural tourism.
| AdrianB1 wrote:
| Having these movies, and many others, on YouTube is a net
| positive. I already saw most of Tarkovsky's movies, but I found
| on Mosfilm's account on YT a few more good movies, it will be a
| good way to spend the nights during this summer.
|
| I would like to have a simple way to get these movies offline
| without paying YT premium for 720p, so your links are welcome.
| ogurechny wrote:
| There are things more important in life than ad revenue, and
| MosFilm can't directly get it from YouTube at the moment
| anyway.
|
| RuTracker should always be one of the first options to
| consider, but I wouldn't be that zealous. Official subtitles
| might be the biggest problem, as they don't seem to have a
| definite source. Some are expressive (up to metrical
| translation of the songs) but too liberal, some were certainly
| made by cheapest freelancers they could find. The user has to
| know beforehand that better translations can sometimes be
| found, and that it is possible to use extensions to load
| subtitles from local files. Re-uploading the videos as distinct
| native and translated versions, and changing softsubs to
| hardsubs and vice versa is another problem resulting in link
| rot. Video itself usually seems to be fine, though one of the
| SD masters of "Stalker" was known for relying on digital film
| stabilization which resulted in artifacts on faster panning
| shots, but in that case it was the same on DVDs.
|
| For comparison, LenFilm also uploaded movies to YouTube, and
| they had masterpieces of Alexei German in 1080p, but either
| recorded with botched brightness correction through some kind
| of screen capture software at superfast settings, or
| watermarked with landline phone number (in a second decade of a
| 21st century) of some subcontracting studio. The whole thing
| probably relied on some clueless intern uploading files from
| their office PC. However, LenFilm has been banned as vile and
| daaangerous "state-controlled media", and neither German, nor
| popular Soviet adventure movies for kids, nor dull and boring
| soc-realistic factory life dramas are officially there.
|
| Personally, I am a bit skeptical about the image of a regular
| multi-tasking user seeing the scene of a interrogation, a
| remark about the suicide of Mayakovsky, and a dinner, and
| getting it all.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFZa9CVBeJY&t=2669
|
| Three decades of talking about multimedia, and we still don't
| have a convenient commentary system to hold all the
| explanations and notes.
| xixixao wrote:
| I watched a random segment from Stalker, the embedded movie, and
| at 15:10 the woman gets in the car and the subtitles say "Come
| with me", while the character clearly says "Go!". Very confusing.
| The auto-generated subtitles got this one word right but have
| other gaps. So warning if you're gonna watch these that the
| subtitles might not be perfect.
| jamal-kumar wrote:
| I've found subtitles in general to be really off the mark after
| learning a few more languages, but at least it's actually
| possible to tell that they got it wrong if it's a subtitle and
| not a dub I guess?
|
| It's still insanely jarring and really messes with the
| experience if you speak the subtitled language and notice that
| over and over.
| nologic01 wrote:
| The cinema of directors like Tarkovsky and Bergman can only
| nominally be termed "movies".
|
| A combination of deep introspection, reflection on the human
| condition and achingly beautiful photography makes them all-time
| masterpieces, up there with the most important achievements of
| human culture.
| 2h wrote:
| [flagged]
| pizza wrote:
| If you're cringing to the description "achingly beautiful" by
| cringing, you're saying you find their description
| beautiful..
| joemi wrote:
| I often add Ozu to this list, too, although his works tend to
| be a bit closer to "movies" than Tarkovsky or Bergman.
| shakow wrote:
| More generally, heaps of old Soviet movies are available in HD
| (and often subtitled) on Mosfilm YT channel, putting you a yt-dlp
| away from a movies night.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/@Mosfilm_eng
| murtio wrote:
| Time for some rewatch! He was my favorite filmmaker, and he's a
| really good one. I considered his films a form of arts. I still
| consider them arts, but now I think that arts should not be
| boring.
| Jun8 wrote:
| IMHO, if you'll be watching your first Tarkovsky film start with
| _Stalker_ , which is how my girlfriend (now wife of 27 years),
| introduced me to him many years ago. I was very much a Fellini
| person, and the Bergman-Tarkovsky school seemed cryptic (at best)
| at the time. When finished, ask yourself (1) if you would have
| gone into the room and (2) what the dreamlike sequences with
| Stalker's son meant.
|
| Second one should be _Solaris_ , if you're into SciFi or _The
| Mirror_ if you're not of if you'd like a challenge. I think _The
| Mirror_ is the better movie, the woman (stand in for T's mom)
| looking at the wheat field (T had these _specifically_ planted
| for the film!) haunts me to this day.
|
| I personally couldn't relate to The Sacrifice, perhaps his most
| personal film. His earlier films (Ivan and Rublev) I could not
| watch at all.
|
| To be a genius artist like him in the Soviet Union meant
| privileges unheard for art film directors in Europe (let alone
| US), eg see the wheat field thing above. It also meant you're at
| the mercy of the "masses". I had read an article once that
| included a comment for _The Mirror_ from a regular filmgoer,
| saying after 30mins it caused such a headache! The funding was
| based on such feedback and the movie was labeled as elitist (it
| is) which greatly impacted his career. It's infuriating to think
| T lost time due to such petty interference (OTOH, I could only
| finish the film on my third try, falling asleep in first two
| attempts! So she had a point)
| myth_drannon wrote:
| The wind in the field scene is mesmerizing, one of my
| favourites as well.
| EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote:
| >> Stalker's son
|
| Um, daughter.
| Jun8 wrote:
| You're absolutely right, called Martyshka (little monkey)
| same as in the book. As I was searching for material on her
| on Google I came across this interesting article:
| https://przekroj.pl/en/society/the-stalkers-daughter-
| renata-...
| [deleted]
| lordfrito wrote:
| > what the dreamlike sequences with Stalker's son meant
|
| I though he had a daughter, am I misremembering?
|
| Interesting tidbit, after a year of filming scenes the prints
| were damaged in processing and were unusable. [1] He had to
| completely (almost) reshoot the film a second time. I always
| wondered about the difference between the original shoot and
| the reshoot, what no one got to see.
|
| [1] https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0079944/trivia
| thriftwy wrote:
| [flagged]
| f6v wrote:
| I don't get what you're talking about.
| thriftwy wrote:
| You start dating someone, you become another person with
| different customs and passions. The more you invest in
| relation, the more is the difference, unless you had
| exactly the same prior background.
| weekendvampire wrote:
| Yes, that is a good thing.
| thriftwy wrote:
| Go watch Marvel then. Objectively good guys on display,
| always getting the bad ones.
| upsetdiscourse wrote:
| Ok, tell us what you know about personal volition
| protectionism. I'm interested.
| dingusdew wrote:
| This is literally how all social relationships work,
| including non-romantic ones. Mimicry is the basis of how
| social groups are formed.
|
| You're literally participating in it (whether you know it
| or not) by communicating with others, period.
|
| This is an instance where the statement "if you think you
| think outside of the box, you're trapped in one" applies.
| coldtea wrote:
| He's talking about how some "alpha/sigma" male types fear
| that women are after their money and worry about that
| (that's what I understand the grandparent to mean by
| "mercantile fears"), but (surprisingly to him) they don't
| fear that they will affect their psyche/personality.
|
| A paradox which I don't think exists in the real world, as
| these types, absolutely do fear women will do that (e.g.
| they fear that women would effeminate them, or make them
| docile, or p...whip them, and so on).
| thriftwy wrote:
| Paradoxically, having relations with women will not
| effiminate one (etc) any more than NOT having these
| relations would.
|
| For all what it is worth, incel community is strikingly
| _peculiar_ in comparison to other males.
|
| Truth is that we do really need each other.
| Zardoz89 wrote:
| An embarrassment of riches y'all
| 0xr0kk3r wrote:
| Same here. That was the gateway film for me. It reminds me of
| the Southern Reach Trilogy (Annihilation, Authority,
| Acceptance).
| Sharlin wrote:
| Annihilation is pretty clearly "heavily influenced" by
| Stalker.
| dclowd9901 wrote:
| I consider myself a person who really loves and appreciates
| film, but I could not parse Stalker. It's clearly dense with
| meaning and subtext, but I think I had too much going on in my
| head when I was watching it to appreciate what was going on.
| virgulino wrote:
| >To be a genius artist like him in the Soviet Union meant
| privileges unheard for art film directors in Europe (let alone
| US), eg see the wheat field thing above. It also meant you're
| at the mercy of the "masses".
|
| It also meant being at the mercy and whims of the Communist
| party. Like Polish genius director Andrzej Zulawski, who filmed
| almost his entire magnum opus "On the Silver Globe," only to
| have the Communist government cancel the project and order the
| destruction of what was filmed.
|
| The greatest science fiction movie never made. I get goosebumps
| every single time I watch these trailers:
|
| https://youtu.be/zBFRiSlcBAg
|
| https://youtu.be/HFf5BGNpnJ0
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Silver_Globe_(film)
| layer8 wrote:
| It's coming out on Blu-ray this year:
| https://eurekavideo.co.uk/movie/andrzej-zulawski-three-
| films...
|
| A Japanese release already exists (JP subs only):
| https://www.amazon.co.jp/On-the-Silver-Globe-Blu-
| ray/dp/B077...
| thriftwy wrote:
| It's also on torrents and English subtitles should exist
| (if they are needed at all)
| layer8 wrote:
| There is an older DVD release (2007?) from before the
| remaster, which I've heard has bad English subtitles. Not
| sure what you'll get via torrents.
| thriftwy wrote:
| It is obvious that you may get the Awesome Edition via
| torrents.
|
| https://blog.codinghorror.com/oh-you-wanted-awesome-
| edition/
| tinideiznaimnou wrote:
| Zulawski is amazing! He manages to strike the right balance
| between abstraction and action; between soulful Slavic
| opaqueness and, well, viewers wanting to understand what's
| happening on the screen without having to read the
| characters' minds through an inverted Christology or some
| such implied cultural context.
|
| Zulawski's movies contain enough mystery to thrill the
| imagination, yet it is crystal clear that they are telling a
| particular story, with an intended authorial meaning, the
| further implications of which we are free to ponder - not
| simply painting a vast, inhospitable landscape for us to
| project our own meaning onto, like Tarkovsky does, or many
| West European filmmakers like Bunuel or the aforementioned
| Bergman.
|
| Now I want to get me a projector and organize a pirate
| Zulawski marathon in a warehouse, culminating with a
| screening of On the Silver Globe, once someone's brought a
| decent pusher to the party and the shit has started to kick
| in... Eh, if only my city's avant-garde art scene and I
| hadn't recognized each other for the pretentious good-for-
| nothing wankers that we are. More effectual personalities can
| be found among the wannabe gangsters, for fuck's sake - but
| those lives are little movies in their own right, and avant-
| garde cinema's got nothing on them.
|
| Unfortunately, without an overt repressive apparatus for
| people to struggle against, it seems their finest qualities
| end up going down the drain a little bit. Creative people end
| up inventing novel schemes for making money out of ever more
| primitive illusions, instead of dedicating their brain cells
| to creating those increasingly elaborate visions that kept
| our forefathers struggling onward with dignity against
| inhuman conditions. Which leads us to the big question: if
| the Communist authoritarian project was a necessary condition
| to get all these fascinating, singular (anti-/post-)Communist
| works of art... was it worth the millions of lives sacrificed
| or devastated?
| omazurov wrote:
| My personal recommendation for a Tarkovsky's first is his
| diploma film _The Steamroller and the Violin_ (1960, 46 min,
| co-written with Andrei Konchalovsky). It was surprisingly
| watchable [for me] and I wish I had watched it first myself
| before I was exposed to _the Mirror_ when I was 16.
|
| [0]
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Steamroller_and_the_Violin
| jwilk wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7jiwaPYslA
| the_gipsy wrote:
| > (1) if you would have gone into the room and (2) what the
| dreamlike sequences with Stalker's son meant
|
| (3) did the stalker / Tarkovski just bring _you_ to the room
| coldtea wrote:
| > _His earlier films (Ivan and Rublev) I could not watch at
| all._
|
| Those also require a familiarity and understanding of the
| relevant culture of those places.
| dr_kiszonka wrote:
| Stalker is a beautiful movie but perhaps not the easiest one to
| watch, especially if you are not used to 10 min long shots of
| nature (e.g., water in a stream). Possibly Solaris, which you
| recommend too, would be an easier movie to watch first.
| canjobear wrote:
| Instead of 10 minute long nature shots, Solaris has a 10
| minute long car ride on Tokyo freeways
| rurban wrote:
| It's Moskow, not Tokyo!
| wozer wrote:
| It was filmed in Tokyo, but is possibly supposed to
| depict a futuristic Moscow.
| biztos wrote:
| That is one of my favorite scenes ever, and I think of it
| whenever I'm in a big freeway system or tunnel.
|
| But yeah probably not easy if you're not already fairly
| deep into art-house films.
| 35997279 wrote:
| It's only five minutes.
| kamranjon wrote:
| I've tried twice now to watch Solaris and fell asleep both
| times - someone let me know if it's worth it! I've seen every
| other Tarkovsky film and love his work, this one just felt
| particularly difficult for me.
| biztos wrote:
| You could -- at the risk of being burned at the stake by
| purists -- try the other one [0] which is faster paced but
| touches on the same ideas. Then if you're really intrigued
| by that, go back to the original.
|
| [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(2002_film)
| dr_kiszonka wrote:
| I found the 2002 Solaris very moving and would recommend
| it to others. (And, in case there has been some burning
| at the stake, I am up-voting your comment.)
| crazydoggers wrote:
| You have to approach the movie like sitting down with a
| good book. Make a day around it! Brew some tea/coffee ahead
| of time, watch it when you are refreshed and can soak it
| in. And not just the plot.. but the art of what's on the
| screen; how it's shot. You'll be rewarded in the end.
| emmelaich wrote:
| I liked Solaris well enough, but in the end it was far less
| interesting than say the better Star Trek episodes.
| tleilaxu wrote:
| When I rewatch Solaris I always skip the first 30 minutes
| or so (the part on Earth). Makes it a much easier and less
| slow watch!
| joemi wrote:
| The first time I watched it, I fell asleep part way through
| and woke up at the end. But then I decided I really wanted
| to watch it, so I immediately restarted it and and stayed
| awake and LOVED it. I think it's worth it.
| MattPalmer1086 wrote:
| Same. Definitely worth watching.
|
| You have to allow yourself to be immersed in it. It's a
| slower pace than commercial film makers adopt, but the
| atmosphere builds.
| gyrovagueGeist wrote:
| The book is excellent, but I also find that both
| adaptations drag a bit and can be a boring watch.
| tleilaxu wrote:
| The Mirror is one of my favourite films but I always fall
| asleep 2-3 times while watching it!
|
| I find it so relaxing that I've just learnt to enjoy the
| whole experience and enjoy the dozing as part of the
| experience of watching the film.
| grugagag wrote:
| Perhaps the dreamy effect is inducing a magic like
| experience as if we as a viewer are seeing through a
| dream
| rafalages wrote:
| Great to hear that, I'll plan to watch it on those nights
| that I need to sleep but my brain keep having the best
| idea ever
| the_oh_of_ples wrote:
| It's worth it.
| signa11 wrote:
| stalker is based on the beautiful book 'roadside picnic' iirc.
| just a lovely, lovely read.
| kodt wrote:
| Andrei Rublev is by far his best film in my opinion.
| rwmj wrote:
| The version on youtube is 20.48GiB(!) so I hope it's the best
| possible quality. Input #0, matroska,webm:
| Metadata: ENCODER : Lavf59.27.100
| Duration: 03:02:38.36, start: -0.007000, bitrate: 11990 kb/s
| Stream #0:0(eng): Video: vp9 (Profile 0), yuv420p(tv, bt709),
| 3840x2160, SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9, 24 fps, 24 tbr, 1k tbn (default)
| Metadata: DURATION : 03:02:38.333000000
| Stream #0:1(eng): Audio: opus, 48000 Hz, stereo, fltp
| (default) Metadata: DURATION :
| 03:02:38.361000000
| PyWoody wrote:
| > ...eg see the wheat field thing above
|
| Not the same but it made me think of Akira Kurosawa spends 12
| hours on a single shot...only to cut it[0]
|
| [0]https://old.reddit.com/r/criterion/comments/pamqsd/akira_kur
| ...
| tomcam wrote:
| As a modern American, I confess I start to go to sleep after
| the first 6 or 8 hours of shots like that
| [deleted]
| DubiousPusher wrote:
| I remember watching Adrei Rublev for the first time, getting more
| and more pissed the whole time. It wasn't the technique. I had
| already seen Solaris. It was the hapless passiveness of the main
| character. However, the bell making sequence really drew me in. I
| had this immense tension waiting to see how it would turn out.
| The ending broke me and suddenly the whole movie clicked for me.
|
| I don't wish to spoil it or taint someone else's experience so
| I'll just say, many films have a plot twist at the end but I
| can't really think of another movie that manages that kind of an
| emotional turn. Not without something pretty hammy like a
| surprise betrayal or death. Andrei Rublev will always stick with
| me.
| ecks4ndr0s wrote:
| His book(Sculpting in Time) is a great read btw!
| a-b wrote:
| fuck russia
| rurban wrote:
| And while we are here: There used to be a huge Tarkowsky copycat
| movement at the film festivals, which flamed out just 10 years
| ago.
|
| But just now another one appeared, the Quinzaine premiere "Inside
| the Yellow Cocoon Shell" by Thien An Pham which I attended. The
| guy is also seriously depressed (as Tarkowsky) and would need
| professional help, but the critics are still flocking to it. And
| I didn't fall asleep as with other similar films.
|
| https://variety.com/2023/film/reviews/inside-the-yellow-coco...
| https://www.screendaily.com/reviews/inside-the-yellow-cocoon...
| pavlov wrote:
| It's actually five films because "The Passion According to
| Andrei" is simply the original longer cut of "Andrei Rublev".
|
| I believe Tarkovsky himself preferred the final cut which is 20
| minutes shorter (but still over three hours, so not exactly a
| cinematic snack).
| milar wrote:
| I love Tarkovsky, but this is equally valuable as a sleep aid for
| some.
| galaxyLogic wrote:
| Tarkovski's movies have what you could call a Russian sentiment.
| Hard to put in words what exactly that means but perhaps some
| fatalism and melancholy, how things are what they are and do not
| easily change except in our dreams. Looking back at Soviet Union
| and now Putin's Russia, and even the autocratic Czarist Russia
| before revolution, it is easy to understand where that sentiment
| comes from. But it makes for great, thoughtful art.
|
| Another great Russian movie from a contemporary director of
| Tarkovski is "A Few Days from the Life of I.I. Oblomov":
|
| https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079619/
| tpm wrote:
| And that sentiment is replicated by the director Andrey
| Zvyagintsev, in e.g. The Return (2003) or Leviathan. Both great
| movies with beautiful cinematography and very Russian feeling.
| rdtsc wrote:
| Well put. Fatalism and melancholy are great descriptions of it.
|
| One such interesting culture clash happened when the Soviets
| went to Cuba to shoot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Cuba.
| A beautiful movie, fantastic cinematography by Kalatozov, but
| the Cubans just never liked it. The portrayal of Cubans is very
| much what Russians thought Cubans might be like, as opposed to
| how Cubans see themselves.
| triska wrote:
| _Solaris_ in particular seems more relevant than ever with the
| rise of ChatGPT and other generative AI services that do not
| understand what their outputs mean to us, and often produce eery
| simulacra of life.
|
| The final scenes of Solaris show this situation brilliantly in
| that their content matches the way it is shown: The scenes
| themselves mirror the depicted content with perplexing
| compositions, zooms and transitions, almost as if they were
| themselves created by an entity that does not understand the
| content or medium:
|
| https://youtu.be/Z8ZhQPaw4rE?t=9489
|
| Quoting from the book:
|
| _" QUESTION: Do you mean, for example, that the hands didn't
| move as human hands would move, because the joints were not
| sufficiently supple?
|
| BERTON: No, not at all. But . . . these movements had no meaning.
| Each of our movements means something, more or less, serves some
| purpose . . . "_
| Der_Einzige wrote:
| Solaris is by far his best movie, even better than STALKER
| (which is itself excellent). It seems many have not seen it.
| They are missing out.
| wheelerof4te wrote:
| STALKER created an entire franshise on it's own. Which to
| date has a very dedicated community.
|
| It is one of the best psy-films of all time.
| neffo wrote:
| It also inspired a related post-disaster urban-exploration-
| style culture around the Chernobyl exclusion zone.
|
| https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2014/09/the-stalkers-
| ins...
| tezka wrote:
| It's one of his most accessible movie, and usually resonates
| with tech people for obvious reasons. His best movies imo are
| Mirror, Ivan's Childhood, Andrei Rublev, Stalker and then
| Solaris, Nostalgia and Sacrifice.
|
| Now Solaris book by Lem is far superior to Tarkovsky's
| rendition.
| jimbob45 wrote:
| I really didn't enjoy the ending of Solaris and, for that
| matter, The Little Prince. You don't need to have a punchy
| ending for me not to feel like I wasted my time with your
| movie. It's okay to let the journey stand on its own rather
| than throwing in a climax that feels haphazard and
| spontaneous.
| cubefox wrote:
| The original Solaris novel had a different ending, a
| disillusioned reflection by Kelvin, which I found much
| better. It was probably not dramatic enough for a movie,
| too analytical.
| triska wrote:
| Personally, I always found that the novel ends on a
| comparatively hopeful note, especially given the
| circumstances, the final word being _cudow_ ( "of
| miracles").
| Eliah_Lakhin wrote:
| Aside from this, perhaps another reason why the first
| part of the movie looks and feels more promising than the
| second one is more trivial. As far as I know they
| experienced a budget shortage at some point of
| production.
| pmoriarty wrote:
| I love _Stalker_ , and I'm a huge Tarkovsky fan, but hated
| _Solaris_. It doesn 't hold a candle to _Stalker_.
|
| I also like Tarkovsky's _Mirror_ and _The Sacrifice_.
| tombert wrote:
| Wait, you _hated_ Solaris? It was the first Tarkovsky movie
| that I watched and I really connected with its themes of
| the "real" vs "memories". It's hard for me to imagine
| anyone hating Solaris...
|
| I still have not seen Mirror, though a few of my film
| friends have told me to check it out for years.
| mongol wrote:
| I started watching it tonight, because of this thread. It
| was my second attempt. I quit about 40 minutes in and
| started to browse IMDB user reviews in hope to understand
| it. The 1 star reviews resonated a lot with me. Hate is a
| strong word but definitely not my cup of tea.
| tombert wrote:
| Fair enough! You've definitely given it the college try
| and I won't criticize that!
|
| Out of curiosity, is there anything in particular about
| it you didn't like or was it a "just not my thing" kind
| of thing?
| mongol wrote:
| I did not feel engaged to the plot. The dialogue felt
| abstract and kind of went over my head. Someone mentioned
| that the film is "very Russian" and perhaps that is part
| of it. I have extremely limited exposure to Russian
| culture but it feels quite introspective to me. I noticed
| the dialogue sounding a little like Putin, just sound-
| wise. Lots of "mmm" sounds which in my language people
| make when they are considering their next words. Somehow
| I see a connection there (that probably don't exist, if I
| am being rational)
| TedDoesntTalk wrote:
| You might try the Solaris novel instead. The movie was
| based on it, but as you know books can be very different.
| relaxing wrote:
| I found the first part with all the meetings and
| philosophical debates on earth to be boring and hard to
| follow too, but if you stop there you're missing out on
| the payoff of all that exposition. It really picks up
| once he gets to the space station.
|
| But I found the opening shot of the plants in the stream
| to be revelatory, a tiny bit of film making that changed
| the way I viewed life.
| effie wrote:
| You might like the original book Solaris better. It has a
| unique atmosphere, isolation and mystery of the alien
| planet, and explores a different idea of alien life than we
| usually get in movies. This is hard to communicate in a
| movie, Tarkovsky did well, but it does not hold up as well
| as the book.
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| (His worst and most overrated)
|
| edit re: slowness, it's a lot less slow than his final few
| works which I also adore. they're all great I just think the
| rest of his catalog gets less good word simply for
| drastically less popular exposure.
| [deleted]
| amanaplanacanal wrote:
| It's definitely a lot slower paced than our current ADD
| society is used to. An esteemed director like Kubrick's
| movies would seem unbearably slow to many.
| addled wrote:
| I think Kubrick's movies are fantastic, deep,
| atmospheric, thought provoking. True art.
|
| I have never made it all the way through one without
| falling asleep. 2001, Blade Runner, Dr. Strangelove....
| Even movies loosely associated with Kubrick like A.I.
| cause me to nod off. I have to stop when I'm nodding off
| and come back later fresh in order to finish.
|
| Maybe it would be different if I had seen them in
| theaters.
| 2-718-281-828 wrote:
| > 2001, Blade Runner, Dr. Strangelove....
|
| Gladiator was also amazing!
| 4ndrewl wrote:
| Love that film. "No, I'm Spartacus!" Classic.
| 2-718-281-828 wrote:
| spartacus, spartacus the merciful \o/
| twelve40 wrote:
| Gladiator was shot by Ridley Scott, just like Blade
| Runner. Kubrick (who i love) is so legendary, he really
| should just get credit for every great movie in existence
| ))
| pmoriarty wrote:
| I've never fallen asleep while watching 2001. It's
| definitely slow, but riveting for me, because (like
| Tarkovsky's film) there's a lot of meaning in the scenes,
| and they give me a lot to think about.
| tezka wrote:
| Blade Runner is not a Kubrick film.
| addled wrote:
| You're right. My mistake for lumping that in there.
| Reason077 wrote:
| > _" Maybe it would be different if I had seen them in
| theaters."_
|
| There's still chances to see 2001 in cinemas! It gets re-
| released somewhat regularly for anniversaries and Kubrick
| retrospectives, etc. I was born long after 2001 came out,
| but I've seen it on cinema screens many times. It was so
| far ahead of it's time and looks so incredibly good in
| 70mm that it's mind boggling to consider that it was
| actually made in the 1960s!
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