[HN Gopher] Show HN: I created a game to memorize the fretboard
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Show HN: I created a game to memorize the fretboard
Hey guys I've been playing the guitar for many years but I felt
like I had hit a wall and wasnt making progress. One of the things
I realized was holding me back was unfamiliarity with the
fretboard. I'd often find myself in situations like "Uhh...Where's
the C# here?" "Where's the flat-3rd of this root on the 4th
string?" "Sure would be nice to know the closest min7 triad shape
to play over here.." I tried memorizing the fretboard the obvious
way but it extreeemly boring for me. Being a developer, I decided
to turn it into a game. I'd love for you guys to try it out and let
me know what you think: It's at
[www.fretboardfly.com](https://www.fretboardfly.com) I've only
built the first module right now which is for note memorization but
there's been enough interest that I'm planning on building more
modules. Please let me know if you like it, what you'd change about
it and what other modules you'd like to see in future. The stack
is Vue 3/Nuxt 3/Firebase/Firestore/Tailwind deployed on Vercel.
Happy to field questions on the tech side of things as well
Author : udit99
Score : 171 points
Date : 2023-05-26 14:18 UTC (8 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.fretboardfly.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.fretboardfly.com)
| codegladiator wrote:
| Sounds good. Jumping all over the fretboard makes it hard since I
| am beginner so I don't know any notes.
|
| I tried setting up the filter, Frets 0-3 and string 1/2/3, but
| either I am doing something wrong or it doesnt respect the
| filter, the next note would still go outside the filter range.
|
| Have bookmarked it.
| udit99 wrote:
| the ui control is wonky...colored means unselected, black means
| selected (I had it the other way round and people complained so
| I flipped it). Make sure you have the right selections if
| you're not seeing it work right. I will fix it soon and make a
| more intuitive interface Let me know if if fixes your problem
| Thanks
| codegladiator wrote:
| Oh that explains it. Tried it again, much usable now.
| udit99 wrote:
| Im kicking myself for not fixing it before I released (I
| kept delaying this release for weeks on some pretext or the
| other and had to force myself to release it today)
| aendruk wrote:
| What I see when trying to play the game: https://0x0.st/Hqgk.png
| udit99 wrote:
| oh man....its somehow triggering the mobile device check to
| enforce landscape mode. Easiest fix is to drag the bottom edge
| up to make it more "landscapey" and it'll go away. I really
| should check for the desktop before I enforce the tilt device
| thing
| thraxil wrote:
| I get the same. I use a tiling window manager (sway) and
| monitors in portrait mode. No way I'm changing my whole
| screen layout just to use a particular site/game.
| udit99 wrote:
| If you're ok with it, I'll fix it in a few days and ping
| you here again.
| awhitty wrote:
| Looks great! I like the idea of focusing on highlighted regions
| at a time. I spent some time exploring similar form factors for
| learning the fretboard, focusing intervals and shapes more than
| the notes themselves (link below) - I implemented a two-step
| drag-and-release gesture with visual feedback for selecting
| positions on a mobile device, and I think it helps avoid
| frustrating mis-taps. Maybe something to consider for your UI as
| well. The additional modules look interesting! Bookmarked.
|
| https://awhitty.me/fretcards/
| udit99 wrote:
| This is great. Thanks for sharing.I do have stuff in mind thats
| very similar but a bit of a different form factor. I havent
| tried your app on mobile so I dont know about the two step
| thing but I'm excited to take a look
|
| Thank you for appreciating the app, its sweeter coming from
| someone who's built something similar. Also, btw, dont forget
| to sign up for updates to stay up to date on when new modules
| are released. Cheers
| soledades wrote:
| This is really cool, thanks for sharing.
|
| The Tenuto app has some similar exercises (also available here:
| https://www.musictheory.net/exercises) you might take inspiration
| from, or others might find useful:
|
| - fretboard interval identification. shows two dots on the
| fretboard, you are supposed to indicate the interval between
| them. this is useful for bridging the gap between audio interval
| recognition and actually playing by ear. since you already have
| the functionality for selecting notes - which the Tenuto app does
| not - a useful extension would be to have it where the app
| presents a note and an interval, and you select the note that is
| that interval distance from that note on the fretboard.
|
| - fretboard chord indentification. shows multiple dots on the
| fretboard, you are supposed to indicate what chord it is. the
| tenuto app doesnt have the functionality for you to indicate what
| the inversion is. you could also do a similar extension where the
| fretboard has some notes selected and a chord display, and you
| select the rest of the notes needed to complete the chord.
| udit99 wrote:
| I loooove Tenuto, its awesome. I honestly never used it for
| guitar stuff, more like ear training. I'll check it out, thanks
| washywashy wrote:
| If only I'd had this back when I wanted to be Steve Vai to Yngwie
| Malmsteen
| udit99 wrote:
| YOU AND ME BOTH BUDDY!!!! And for the love of god (heh!) dont
| forget Joe Satriani...I grew up listening to The Extremist on
| repeat for months
| batch12 wrote:
| Nice work. Other instruments like Banjo would be cool too.
| udit99 wrote:
| Thank you! I have other instruments on my roadmap for sure....i
| just want to build out the full guitar version first before
| venturing out to other instruments.
| fnord77 wrote:
| be nice if there was a "learning" mode where it shows you where
| things are and then quizzes you.
|
| like that game "Memory" or Simon says.
|
| Also this is training you visually. wouldn't it be better to
| train you by feel?
| saad-z wrote:
| I was going to say the same thing! I guess tutorials could be a
| first step before jumping to the quiz part.
| udit99 wrote:
| Absolutely, you're totally right about the learning mode. I've
| got that request a lot since I released it and I plan to build
| that in once I build some more modules: A spaced-repetition
| based module that teaches you the notes a few at a time. Kindof
| like Duolingo
|
| The reason why I didnt make it is because I'm an intermediate
| player myself and I guess right now it resonates with
| intermediate players who mostly kindof know the notes but have
| a lot of blind spots. While the feature you requested is more
| targeted towards newer guitar players
|
| Re: Visual vs feel, if by feel you mean sensory input like
| touch and how the guitar strings feel? yeah, I totally agree.
| Except I cant build software to replicate that so this is about
| as good as it gets . That said, I still find it very valuable
| for making visual connections for notes and intervals
| cscheid wrote:
| omg, I would pay $100 for something like this on the Chapman
| Stick fretboard. ("which Stick fretboard and which tuning" of
| course are the hard questions on said weird instrument... but
| 10-string Baritone Melody please? :) )
| udit99 wrote:
| The day I can wrap my head around a Chapman Stick Fretboard,
| I'll build it. This thing intimidates me. I admire Stick
| players from a distance :)
| udit99 wrote:
| Hell...if there's enough people interested in paying for a
| web-only version (I cant fit these many strings on a phone!!)
| I'll build it
| cscheid wrote:
| I added my email to your mailing list, but also please feel
| free to reach out directly to me over email (it's on my
| account info).
|
| I put together an observablehq notebook with a Stick
| fretboard
| (https://observablehq.com/@cscheid/hanon-01-diagrams-for-
| chap...) for me to work on some fingering patterns, but
| something like fretboardfly would be so awesome (even if it
| were just one side at a time). A configuration file like
| "string tunings + fretboard markers" would totally do it.
| udit99 wrote:
| Thank you! Will do
|
| After reading your comment I dug around to see how many
| Chapman Stick players there were (What's the TAM for
| anything targeted at Stick players..if you pardon my
| startup-speak). The stick subreddit seems exceptionally
| small: 596 members. I'm guessing there are non-reddit
| niche community forums with much bigger numbers to boast
| of.
|
| P.S. Mr. Hanon gets around (Started Piano lessons a few
| weeks ago and Hanon #1 was a part of my first lesson)
| cscheid wrote:
| > After reading your comment I dug around to see how many
| Chapman Stick players there were (What's the TAM for
| anything targeted at Stick players..if you pardon my
| startup-speak). The stick subreddit seems exceptionally
| small: 596 members. I'm guessing there are non-reddit
| niche community forums with much bigger numbers to boast
| of.
|
| So, each Stick has a unique serial number. I got mine in
| 2021 and it's 6596. So that gives you an idea. I totally
| understand if the market isn't there.
|
| "There's dozens of us!"
| udit99 wrote:
| That...is wayy fewer than I expected for some reason.
| This instrument punches above its weight when it comes to
| mindshare amongst musicians. Maybe it's just me
| i_c_b wrote:
| I like the general idea - I would like a game tool like this.
|
| (and before I give my feedback, I should say, I spent a year or
| two working on a solo indie Zelda/Diablo mishmash focused on
| teaching guitar fretboards and music theory back in 2006-2009. A
| video of that incomplete game is here:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6O32PFGZCE . It relied on
| players playing intervals and chords to cast spells, for both
| fighting and puzzle solving, in an ARPG real-time context. I had
| to pause development due to life, but I'm desperately hoping to
| find a way to finish and ship it.)
|
| Anyway, I think that your game is... well, really, really hard.
| More specifically, it feels like it gives a lot of negative
| feedback right from the get go.
|
| If it were me, I would probably add substantially more
| scaffolding early on - pull from a smaller section of the
| fretboard at first for the player to master and get more positive
| feedback, then expand from there in much more incremental steps.
| I also feel like the timer feels pretty harsh and negative at the
| beginning. I've played guitar for many years but have, myself,
| not really memorized all the higher notes on all the higher
| strings, so I'm actually receptive for what this tool is doing.
| But running out of time and then losing a life while I'm trying
| to count off notes feels frustrating, like it's actively
| interrupting me doing the learning activity I'm there to do.
|
| Hope that helps! As I say, I like the general idea and would love
| to see a more fleshed out version.
| udit99 wrote:
| your video of the game looks pretty awesome. I assume you're a
| game dev. Not being one myself, it looks very....elaborate and
| hard to build for someone with my skills.
|
| Regarding your feedback...yeah, I've gotten that feedback a
| lot. Thats part of the reason why I built the practice mode.
| Did you get a chance to try it? It doesnt have the timer and
| you can take your time counting notes to get better. And my
| favorite part: You can pick and choose what frets and strings
| you want to focus on.
|
| But your point still stands: There is a need for a gentler
| introduction and I do have that in mind: A Duolingo style
| Spaced repetition approach that starts off with 5-7 notes a day
| and builds up from there. Once you're done with the course, you
| can play the game to reinforce and test the concepts. What do
| you think?
| i_c_b wrote:
| Yeah, I have a deep game development background (both in
| industry and as an indie dev), but I've also worked closely
| for a number of years on building learning game prototypes
| with education professors from UW-Madison and CMU. So this is
| a space I'm super interested in.
|
| I actually had added a comment that I ended up deleting about
| Duolingo (and Dragonbox, another educational game that I
| think structures learning pretty nicely). I was going to add
| the reference specifically because of their spaced repetition
| and incremental addition of skills, but then I deleted the
| comment because, well, those games are pretty elaborate, too,
| and I was mindful of the scope you looked like you were
| aiming for.
| udit99 wrote:
| TBH, Im so high off of building something that finally gets
| some traction instead of sinking into oblivion that I'm
| freely making grand plans of building elaborate features
| instead of aggressively limiting scope like I really
| should. Oh well...this will fade anyways, let me have my
| dream roadmap for now.
| blopker wrote:
| If it helps, I did try the practice mode, but still found it
| frustrating. I was hoping when I got the wrong note it would
| not only show me the correct one, but also show me all the
| notes at the same time. That would help me correct my logic
| around why I picked the wrong one. That would also help me
| memorize the patterns.
| udit99 wrote:
| By all the notes you mean, _all_ notes on the fretboard? My
| experience has been that showing all the notes on the
| fretboard makes it an unreadable mess. Kindof like this:
| https://images.squarespace-
| cdn.com/content/v1/535140c0e4b0ae...
| ch71r22 wrote:
| I would love to get sucked into learning guitar with a game
| like that. I think there's an untapped niche for educational
| games with the depth, progression, and addictive aspects of
| RPGs. Hope you get the chance to resume development
| LispSporks22 wrote:
| Cool could you extend this to cello finger board?
| groby_b wrote:
| Neither the fact that it completely hijacks the back button, nor
| the fact that it plays sounds without consent does anything to
| endear this to me. I'd suggest giving those areas a bit of polish
| :)
|
| As a practical question for how you learn guitar, it might also
| be a good idea to show notation instead of the name of the note
| (or both, or a choice). The number of times you need to find a
| note by name in guitar playing is... rare.
| udit99 wrote:
| Hey there I dont think it hijacks the back button. Let me know
| where you're seeing this behavior. If by hijack the back button
| you mean standard SPA behavior where the routing is handled by
| the app while the whole app runs on the same html file then
| yeah, thats a _very_ common and standard way of building apps
| these days
|
| Audio without permission...yeah I can see that being
| inconvenient even though its not like autoplaying a youtube
| video (It's just 1 note)
|
| Notation doesnt seem as popular these days as tabs are, so it
| was an intentional decision
|
| I personally find notes on the fretboard all the time but I
| guess there are as many ways of playing the guitar as there are
| opinions.
|
| If I may gently poke some fun at this comment, this is the most
| Hacker News comment I've gotten in this thread so far :). I
| hope you know what I mean
| benob wrote:
| Anything similar for piano?
| rtsil wrote:
| Piano keyboard is easy to memorize since it's a repeating
| pattern of 7 white notes interspersed with five black notes,
| and you have exactly one note per location and one location per
| note.
|
| Guitar fretboard is more complicated because there's no obvious
| repeating pattern if you're a beginner, a single note can be
| found at multiple locations, and a single location can
| represent multiple notes if you start to bend the string.
| Because of that, a guitar fretboard is much harder to learn
| than a keyboard, but it also makes transposition (changing the
| key of a tune from one note to another) much easier on a guitar
| than on a keyboard.
| spondylosaurus wrote:
| I was gonna ask about a bass version but poked around in settings
| and found the option to toggle it--glad you didn't forget about
| us :)
|
| My one suggestion there, then, is to perhaps make the guitar/bass
| toggle more prominent to grab the attention of four-string
| aficionados.
| udit99 wrote:
| Glad you found it!! Noted. Once I have more time, I might build
| a bit of a new user walkthrough. Keep me posted it if you have
| more feedback Thanks
| someweirdperson wrote:
| Basses with 5 strings are relatively common, and even basses
| with 6 strings are available off the shelf.
|
| An option to disable the display of the name of the key would
| make it a nice game for ear training.
| udit99 wrote:
| Yeah, its just that I have to pareto-prioritize. The more
| time I spend on more niche market features, it takes away
| time from features that 80% of the people want. I'd rather
| come back around once I have a fully functional product for
| guitar players and then start serving the custom tunings,
| the alternate instruments and so on..
| AdmiralAsshat wrote:
| Another bass player here--very glad to see the option!
|
| The PS3/X360 instrument training game "Bandfuse" (which had
| the misfortune of coming out around the same time as
| RockSmith and went bankrupt within like a year of release)
| had a really great circle-of-fifths training mode...but only
| for guitar. :(
| udit99 wrote:
| I mean, if you find me a video that shows how it worked, I
| could eventually build it (for both guitar and bass).
| ZoomZoomZoom wrote:
| Am I the only one finding this fretboard representation not
| jiving with their mental model? The thing is, I'm no Jeff Healey,
| so I never place the neck before me this way. Generally, I look
| down only to correct my longitudinal position, and then I just
| place my fingers in the right place. At the moment of actual
| finger placement I don't really visualize the fretboard, but I
| kind of see/feel it _through_ the neck outward of my body.
|
| Also, the unnatural trapezoid shape of the board throws me off a
| bit too.
|
| BTW, I don't believe the reversed vertical orientation makes it
| any better for me. Looks like I just use my spatial orientation
| and tactile facilities, not visual.
| udit99 wrote:
| How about this one? https://imgur.com/a/yIY13pe Any better?
| comradesmith wrote:
| I'm so glad you included bass and left handed mode, thank you!
| udit99 wrote:
| TBH Wasnt in the first version I released on the internet but I
| was surprised by how many people requested it
| danhau wrote:
| Neat! I'm having some issues with how things are displayed on my
| iPhone. The low E string wasn't reachable for me.
|
| Musically speaking, I never really understood the point of
| knowing the notes on the fretboard. Scales, intervals and chords
| are waaaaay more useful to know. But I'm self taught, so what do
| I know?
| indigoabstract wrote:
| If you know the notes on the fretboard, you can easily(with
| practice ofc) pick up the melody in any song, and
| build/reconstruct the chords from there to learn the song.
|
| To me, it's easier to learn a song this way than by reading
| guitar tabs or notes.
| rtsil wrote:
| If you know the intervals, then you know where all the notes
| are on the fretboard! You're like Monsieur Jourdain, who
| mastered prose without even realizing it.
| udit99 wrote:
| Hi there Can you send me a screenshot and tell me what iPhone
| it is?
|
| I see fretboard orientation as relying on multiple techniques:
| 1. Notes 2. Intervals 3. Scale patterns
|
| Notes are not the only way to orient but they're a start. I'm
| planning on adding more modules about intervals pretty soon
| hinkley wrote:
| There's a simpler way this is done, where there's a long narrow
| sticker that goes on the neck of the instrument. I can't seem to
| find the right picture. The internet has stickers that go on the
| body, or between the frets, but my friend found a ribbon sticker
| and used them when learning ukulele.
| udit99 wrote:
| My daddy used to say, there's as many ways of learning guitar
| technique as there's lost picks in the universe :) Ok I made
| that up, but the point stands. At the end of the day, whatever
| works for you is the best solution
|
| Having said that, I've spent the last few years reading up on
| memory retention, SRS and using Anki a lot for languages and
| what I've found is that Recall is extremely important for
| increasing the strength of the memory. With stickers and
| ribbons, the notes are right there for you. Like training
| wheels. Never challenging you to recall. Keeping you coming
| back for more of that ribbon help. ..you get the idea.
| hinkley wrote:
| I think I may be the only person in the world who owns
| exactly one uke. Zero or two seem to be more common, and I
| think this person has four or five now.
|
| If you put stickers everywhere I'd agree that's a crutch. But
| maybe one instrument is not so bad.
| udit99 wrote:
| yeah, thats a good point. Like having 1 bike with training
| wheels and others without. That could work
| davesque wrote:
| Hey I love this! Although there are some issues in the first game
| with touches not registering and also the entire play board not
| being visible.
|
| I think what other people are saying about graded difficulty is
| also true. I have a degree in classical guitar performance. So I
| did fine. But I've had the fret board memorized for years. Unless
| there were settings I missed that could restrict the play area, I
| don't think most would be able to use this very effectively as a
| learning tool.
| udit99 wrote:
| I'll work on the touches not registering bit: Was it desktop or
| mobile?
|
| There is in fact a restricted play area: Go to "Practice" and
| click the filter icon on the top right...you can choose frets
| and strings to focus on
| davesque wrote:
| It was on mobile. Android pixel 6. Brave browser (which is
| chromium I think). Great, good to know that beginners can do
| practice mode. Sorry I didn't explore that before commenting.
| udit99 wrote:
| dont be sorry, I didnt make it very obvious. I mean there's
| no landing page or new user walkthrough in this app so im
| just glad if people find their around
| pstuart wrote:
| I like the idea but one small UI request -- allow inverting the
| string layout please. I visualize from the top down (EADGBE) and
| it would be easier (for me) to practice in that mode.
| udit99 wrote:
| ooohh...thats a new one. Are you left handed? Have you tried
| the left handed mode? Would that help? Is there anything
| unusual about how you play the guitar?
|
| Honestly, on first thought I'll keep this one on the backburner
| until more people ask for it
| pstuart wrote:
| Nopes, I'm a righty. I'm normal in that I don't practice or
| play enough ;-)
| jessmartin wrote:
| Same request. I really struggled to use it because I'm only
| ever looking "down" at my fretboard with the low E at the
| "top". When I tried to hold my iPhone in that orientation, it
| flipped on me.
|
| I had trouble mapping from your visual to my actual guitar.
| (I'm an intermediate player as well)
| udit99 wrote:
| hmm..so you're requesting something slightly different from
| the other poster right? You're requesting portrait mode if
| im not mistaken.
|
| I got that request a few times as well...and I honestly
| tried but I cannot make it work. I might seek out pro
| frontend help to help me out here.
|
| If I misunderstood your request, could you explain a bit
| further? When you say low on top...is this what you mean?
| https://imgur.com/a/ctgMAuy
| pajama_garrison wrote:
| Just to add to the confusion, I would be really
| interested in a mode where everything is completely
| upside-down, including the text. Basically, my instinct
| was to hold my phone as if it's the neck of the guitar,
| and look down at it to simulate the perspective of
| playing guitar. If the whole game was flipped upside-
| down, this would work really naturally.
| udit99 wrote:
| I think this view fixes it. https://imgur.com/a/yIY13pe
|
| I can totally add it if thats what you guys want
| udit99 wrote:
| Does this view work better for you?
| https://imgur.com/a/yIY13pe
| abecode wrote:
| or make the neck vertical instead of horizontal. I found myself
| craning my neck to look at it that way.
| udit99 wrote:
| I ran into a lot of problems with vertical mode. Turns out
| just doing a CSS transform is not enough. It creates a lot of
| layout problems.
|
| And on the other end, doing it vertical from the ground up
| would be a ton of work from scratch because of the way it's
| written
| udit99 wrote:
| I asked a grandchild comment this...but is this what you mean?
| https://imgur.com/a/ctgMAuy
| pstuart wrote:
| Actually I envision it as having the nut on the right. But
| maybe I'm just weird that way ;-)
| udit99 wrote:
| Sorry I made a mess of the thread with all my different
| comments. But would this be what you're talking about?
| https://imgur.com/a/yIY13pe
| pstuart wrote:
| That's a bingo!
| udit99 wrote:
| you got it boss...I'll get it done by next week. Check
| back again in a week and yell at me if it's not done. Any
| idea what this view should be called? Mirror view? 2nd
| person fretboard view?
| udit99 wrote:
| Because if it is...I could probably do it really easily but
| it hurts my brain to orient myself on this fretboard and Im
| genuinely curious about how this makes sense to anyone
|
| (FWIW I had the same reaction with building the left-handed
| fretboard )
| ksherlock wrote:
| When you're playing the guitar and look down at the neck,
| which string is on top?
| udit99 wrote:
| Ahhh...I think I get it. I think you're asking for the
| "Guitar Teacher view" like you would see the fretboard
| when the guitar is in someone else's hands or just
| propped up sideways. I get it.So this view:
|
| https://imgur.com/a/yIY13pe
|
| Right?
| udit99 wrote:
| If this is the view you guys want then hell yeah, its
| trivial to build https://imgur.com/a/yIY13pe
| troupe wrote:
| You might consider starting with learning the open strings, then
| the first fret, then second, etc. The way it works now requires a
| level of expertise beyond what beginners are likely to have.
|
| But the idea looks great!
| udit99 wrote:
| you're totally right. I'm an intermediate player myself so I
| kindof built it with an intermediate bias. Did you try the
| practice mode? There's no timer there and you can filter it by
| strings and frets so you can focus on a small area of the
| fretboard at a time.
|
| But yeah, as I mentioned in a couple other comments here, I
| plan to build a gradual learning module using spaced repetition
| that starts with a few notes at a time. Does that sound better?
| lowercased wrote:
| You've mentioned practice mode a couple of times to folks. I
| don't see one. I see level 1a, then the rest of the levels
| are 'coming soon'. That's it. No practice mode.
|
| EDIT: it's only after you choose a level - you can 'start' or
| 'practice'. gotcha.
|
| EDIT2: alternate tunings seems to be a logical step. is that
| on your roadmap?
| udit99 wrote:
| alternate tunings have been requested quite a bit and
| honestly its not super hard to build for this module but
| things get really wonky in the further levels. I really
| want to pareto-prioritize and right now alternate tunings
| are not making the cut.
|
| To anyone else reading this, if alternate tunings are your
| thing, please leave a +1 to the parent comment or write to
| me on Twitter/reddit/discord, that ways I can gauge
| interest more accurately
| lowercased wrote:
| Thanks. It's not a showstopper for me, but my brother and
| I are getting in to DADGAD and open G and stuff, and...
| it's something I think it would help folks (but we're a
| minority - that's why they're 'alternate' tunings!).
| udit99 wrote:
| I've tried DADGAD before and I loved it. Now that I think
| about it, thats the #1 reason why I quit playing around
| with alternate tunings: I would have to learn the notes
| and chords all over again. Ya know, I might think about
| it. There's a loooot more to build as you can probably
| tell and I dont want to overwhelm myself right now. But
| you've convinced me to give it a shot when the time is
| right I hope I'll get back to this comment one day Cheers
| busterarm wrote:
| Cool tool.
|
| If I might make a suggestion related to the gaps that you
| mentioned that motivated the tool...
|
| It's hard to communicate the real importance of learning
| scales and chords at the same time. Specifically, learning
| all of the important scales and then building chords from
| those and finding more fingerable/playable voicings for them.
| Even going as far as removing strings and still trying to
| complete the scales/chords and then alternate tunings, etc.
| It's really a slow grind that there's no shortcut for.
|
| Most players skip a lot of this important early practice
| because it's about the furthest thing from playing songs on
| the guitar like they want to.
|
| Doing something like classical guitar lessons might be
| extremely helpful/humbling. Variety also helps -- I got a lot
| better once I started playing in multiple tunings and
| different kinds of guitars (#strings, baritone, etc) -- heck
| I'm learning the Stick right now.
| udit99 wrote:
| Stick = Chapman stick? Mad respect for you man. I dont
| think I'm smart enough to handle more stringed
| instruments.Especially not that thing :).
|
| >It's hard to communicate the real importance of learning
| scales and chords at the same time. Specifically, learning
| all of the important scales and then building chords from
| those and finding more fingerable/playable voicings for
| them. Even going as far as removing strings and still
| trying to complete the scales/chords and then alternate
| tunings, etc. It's really a slow grind that there's no
| shortcut for.
|
| YESSSS! 1000% Thats my precise motivation with this app.
| What I've released is just the first step. I want to do all
| the intervals, the triads, the chords, the scales...you get
| the idea.
|
| That slow grind you're describing is very very true. I
| couldnt cut it. This app is my attempt to basically get
| where you're at. Its not a shortcut but lets just say its
| the fun way to learn where you're less likely to give up.
|
| Not sure if you signed up for the updates but I might hit
| you up when I build more modules because I'd love to hear
| from people who're further along in the journey
| indigoabstract wrote:
| I like it, it's a great idea, at least in theory.
|
| I did something similar to the 'practice mode' some years ago,
| just for myself, did not publish it. I used the The Synthesis
| ToolKit (STK) C++ library for the guitar sounds.
|
| In the end, I didn't use it all that much, but I still believe in
| the idea. Maybe it's just hard to find the best
| expression/execution.
|
| One idea that comes to mind is to highlight or find the different
| voicings/aliases and octaves for a given note, since most notes
| on guitar have at least 3-4 or four equivalents.
|
| Another idea would be to color code the notes on the fretboard.
| Again, it's been tried before, but maybe there's a reasonably
| good way to make it stick into visual memory.
| udit99 wrote:
| Thats a great idea about the voicings...I might build that as a
| separate module
|
| I think you should publish it if you still have the code...make
| it open source on Github and see if other people are interested
| in taking the idea forward
| indigoabstract wrote:
| Yes, that could be an idea. Thanks for the encouragement.
| soperj wrote:
| Obviously this would be a ways into it, but it would be nice for
| those who play in different tunings to be able to change the
| notes. I've got the fret board (mostly) memorized for standard,
| but not for alternate tunings.
| udit99 wrote:
| I've got this request a lot. And honestly its not too hard to
| implement for this module but it would make other modules
| reallly hairy. I might implement it in a way that it only
| applies to certain modules.
|
| One question: Would a dropdown of tuning
| options(Standard/DADGAD,Drop D) be enough or is there a strong
| case to be made for user customized tunings per string?
| hnaccount141 wrote:
| I spend a lot of time experimenting with atypical tunings
| that wouldn't be captured in a dropdown, and I could see this
| being really a useful tool for learning my way around tunings
| where there isn't much existing repertoire to pull from. It's
| a super niche usecase though, you'd probably cover 99% of
| players needs with just Standard, drop d, DADGAD, open C and
| maybe open D.
| udit99 wrote:
| Good to know, thank you!
| vr46 wrote:
| Signed up for mailing list but app is completely broken for me on
| Firefox, won't start at all, couple of errors in console, but
| nothing in Privacy badger or Ublock.
| udit99 wrote:
| im sorry to hear that. I want to make sure this works for you.
| Could you give me a couple more details? 1. Desktop or Mobile?
| 2. Whats the exact behavior? Is there a button that doesnt
| respond? Would a screenshot help clarify? 3. If Desktop, Can
| you screenshot the web inspector console?
|
| I know I'm asking for a lot but I'd really appreciate it Thank
| you
| _zachs wrote:
| Really cool! Like i_c_b mentioned my only feedback is that, even
| in the practice mode, there's a lot of negative feedback.
|
| I'd recommend adding a step to the practice mode where whatever
| highlighted region of the fretboard you're practicing has all of
| the notes visible, and then over time the notes are taken away as
| you build up your memorization.
| udit99 wrote:
| Noted! Thank you! I'm planning on building a Duolingo style
| spaced repetition system for this. I really wanted to work on
| more modules like Intervals and Triads (for selfish reasons)
| but enough people have made the point you made that I think its
| logical to address the issue.
| udit99 wrote:
| Could you talk a bit about the negative feedback in practice
| mode? Is it the unpleasant buzzing when you tap the wrong note?
| What would be an alternative?
| tempodox wrote:
| Oh no, it runs on a timer :(
| udit99 wrote:
| Try the practice mode. No timer no stress!
| tempodox wrote:
| Thanks for the hint!
| udit99 wrote:
| np
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