[HN Gopher] Quid Pro Crow
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Quid Pro Crow
Author : warrenm
Score : 58 points
Date : 2023-05-18 14:33 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| superb-owl wrote:
| This takes me back to the days where I used to use Praat [1] for
| studying phonetics/phonemics. It's a really fun piece of software
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praat
| dhoe wrote:
| Fun in the sense that it has great functionality packaged in an
| absolute insane example of what I'd call an "academic UI".
| temp0826 wrote:
| This sounds like something Charlie from Always Sunny would say in
| a court of bird law.
| Double_a_92 wrote:
| How is this a hacker news?
| jroseattle wrote:
| This reminds me of a comment I heard a politician make in private
| among a group of us.
|
| When passively asked "what's going on?", her reply: 'oh, much to
| do about nothing!'
| andai wrote:
| Man, I'm disappointed this wasn't research on corvid culture!
| notorandit wrote:
| Double fault!
|
| Qui pro quo!
| yazzku wrote:
| Or you could learn how it's pronounced in Latin and you wouldn't
| have this problem.
| amelius wrote:
| We don't even know how stuff is pronounced in Latin. So for all
| we know, "crow" could be the correct pronunciation!
| tommywiseausmom wrote:
| crows recognize human faces. never forget
| warrenm wrote:
| and they can train other crows / transfer the information to
| the rest of their murder
| v8xi wrote:
| More like James Crowmer
| leashless wrote:
| Was expecting https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31604026
| elicash wrote:
| I was expecting a piece on Harlan Crow
| testplzignore wrote:
| Here's the thing. You said "crow" instead of "pro".
|
| Do they rhyme? Yes. No one's arguing that.
|
| As someone who is a linguist who studies human speech, I am
| telling you, specifically, in science, no one says "crow" instead
| of "pro".
| the_af wrote:
| The audio seems to be a mispronounciation. I bet the speaker
| knows how to write it down correctly.
| oehpr wrote:
| this an joke in reference to unidan and a flamewar about
| crows in 2014.
|
| https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/unidan
| joseph_grobbles wrote:
| [dead]
| jewel wrote:
| For those that like this sort of thing, Wikipedia calls them
| malapropisms [1]. Reddit has a bunch of them at r/BoneAppleTea
| [2].
|
| [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malapropism [2]:
| https://old.reddit.com/r/BoneAppleTea.
| the_af wrote:
| This is likely not a malapropism (incorrect usage of a word
| because it sounds similar to the correct word) but simply a
| pronunciation mistake.
|
| That is, I bet if we asked the speaker to write it down, he
| would write "quid pro quo", no birds to be seen.
| xiande04 wrote:
| [flagged]
| blacksmith_tb wrote:
| I would class that as an eggcorn[1] and not just a simple error.
|
| 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggcorn
| _ZeD_ wrote:
| barely related, but it's funny to me how in anglosaxon countries
| you use the locution "quid pro quo", while here in italy we use
| "do ut des" to mean "a favor for a favor".
|
| And that "qui pro quo" - in italy - means just a
| misunderstanding.
|
| It's one of the funniest false friends that I've encountered
| while studying English
| andrewem wrote:
| I liked that when a major person in Italian organized crime was
| arrested, US newspapers called him a "capo dei capi" while
| Italian newspapers called him a "boss dei boss".
|
| For example, here's a book using that title
|
| https://m.libreriauniversitaria.it/amp/product/BIT/978887928...
| dfxm12 wrote:
| The subject of the book is also featured in an Italian TV
| show using the title _Il Capo Dei Capo_ :
| https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Il_capo_dei_capi
| ithkuil wrote:
| Yeah, quid pro quo literally means "one thing for another
| thing". The ambiguity of the "for" led to divergent evolutions.
|
| The "pro" (for) can be either mean "instead of", "in the place
| of" (One thing in the place of another thing). This is where
| the interpretation currently used in Italy and possibly other
| places settled on.
|
| But "pro" (for) also means "for the benefit of" and that's the
| interpretation that caught on in the Anglosphere.
| the_af wrote:
| Hannibal Lecter, being anglosaxon, uses it for "a favor for a
| favor". When in doubt, I always side with the cannibal.
| paulddraper wrote:
| That is bizarre indeed.
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| Somewhat related question - does anyone know where I can get the
| raw audio of every Tucker Carlson episode? I want to try to
| visualize his hypnotic pattern of speech during his monologues...
| IIAOPSW wrote:
| The implications of what you might use AI fueled political
| agitator for give me pause.
| hinkley wrote:
| This is how hypnotoad is born isn't it.
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| I just want to make a meme by averaging his monologue
| waveforms to hopefully reveal his distinctly ridiculous
| manner of speaking where he alternates his pitch with a
| specific meter. ;) World domination of TuckGPT can come
| later.
| hirundo wrote:
| To what extent are we put into a suggestive state by the
| stylistic presentation of speech, not just the rythms, but the
| rest of the oratory and rhetoric? This is a great place for
| LLMs to make a contribution with neutral, consistent rewording.
| I hope that the boringreport.org is the start of de-hypnotizing
| bubble I can deploy between myself and the world.
|
| If say a Maddow vs a Carslon monologue could be stripped down
| into a sequence of neutral observations and assertions and
| anonymized it would go a fair way toward switching off the
| typical tribal inflammation of the ratiocination.
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