[HN Gopher] The Bookmarking Data Model Is Wrong for Highlighting
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The Bookmarking Data Model Is Wrong for Highlighting
Author : bsnnkv
Score : 41 points
Date : 2023-05-16 16:40 UTC (6 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (lgug2z.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (lgug2z.com)
| clueless wrote:
| so essentially what amazd (1) could have been 10 years later if i
| had kept working on it. I remained amazed (pun intended) that 10
| years later (after I started working on this), we still don't
| have a very popular platform for this sort of workflow. Full
| disclaimer: I've come to use readwise.io more recently
|
| (1) http://amazd.com/ahmad
| bsnnkv wrote:
| My friend, you were truly ahead of your time. If I had known
| about this back in 2020 I probably would have bugged you to
| restart working on it instead of building Notado! Would love to
| chat with you sometime if you want to reach out on
| Mastodon/Twitter etc.
| tuukkah wrote:
| > _the URL is an imperfect proxy for the article_
|
| I find this part important but misleading. The URL is a fine way
| to identify the article, _but_ it 's important to separately
| identify and link to the multiple _discussions_ that can be had
| about any given article. For example, an article URL doesn 't
| unambiguously identify a HN discussion as the same URL is
| submitted and discussed multiple times.
|
| Rather, this may be the gist of OP: Because we post URLs without
| top-level commentary here, the HN discussion (and HN URL) isn't a
| single, meaningful conversation either. Only when we get to each
| top-level comment (identified by the comment URL), we have
| conversations that it may make sense to highlight.
| CrampusDestrus wrote:
| If you want to call it with an early-2000s-vabing name,
| "webquotes"
| bsnnkv wrote:
| More context from a HN thread here.[1]
|
| [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35942325
| neilv wrote:
| FWIW, lately I've been keeping my notes as markdown files in a
| `~/wiki/` directory, and the most common links are now HN posts.
|
| I find the HN discussion often adds a lot that will be relevant.
| For example, in `~/wiki/machine-learning.md` the section on
| specific LLM models is a nested bulleted list, with the top level
| the names of specific models (sometimes as links to their
| canonical landing package, and the bullets under each are usually
| very relevant HN post links, and links to official other pages
| for that model.
|
| I only polish it when I really have to: the priority is to
| capture the info, because 15 seconds now might save me days or an
| entire endeavor later. But spending more time than that can
| discourage capturing info, or later make me resistant to doing a
| quick split of pages or sections that really should happen
| immediately (because I don't want to spoil the polish that I
| spent time on).
|
| In Markdown, my current HN post links look like:
| [HN, The Bookmarking Data Model Is Wrong for Highlighting
| (lgug2z.com),
| 2023-05-16](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35964335)
|
| (My Emacs mode hides the URL part, and makes it look like an
| underlined blue hyperlink, with the remaining markup characters
| de-emphasized.)
|
| It's a variation on the familiar citation format, which I also
| use: [Jane Doe, "Some Article Title", *Some
| Journal*, 2023-05-16](https://journal.example/12345)
|
| In the rare case I want to quote an entire HN comment in my wiki
| (e.g.,, some super-useful insider scoop that might disappear),
| I'll just click to its page, select it and copy&paste the test
| with `>` characters, and then turn the header line into a
| Markdown link to the comment page URL.
|
| Someday, I'll make a browser plugin for the copy&paste parts,
| while still keeping it very simple.
| idlewords wrote:
| This discussion conflates comments with highlights, which are two
| different animals altogether.
|
| The distinguishing feature of highlights is that they are
| anchored to a specific passage in a (hyper)text, which you want
| the bookmarking tool to make visibly distinct, searchable, and so
| on. Ideally you want this feature to work seamlessly across
| paginated texts as well as on PDFs.
|
| Comments are an entirely different animal, and the way they do
| (or don't) interact with highlights will depend on how people use
| the site socially, which is not really within the control of the
| site author.
|
| Binning bookmarks, highlights, and comments together as "content"
| is like calling wedding cake, bobcats and lighter fluid different
| kinds of "matter"; it's reductive to the point of uselessness.
| bsnnkv wrote:
| Hard disagree with everything in your comment, but it's cool to
| have elicited a reply from the Pinboard guy.
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