[HN Gopher] Twitter succumbs to Erdogan's pressure, silences key...
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Twitter succumbs to Erdogan's pressure, silences key voices on
election eve
Author : b0sk
Score : 52 points
Date : 2023-05-13 20:08 UTC (2 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (www.turkishminute.com)
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| dotcoma wrote:
| "free speech absolutist".
|
| ROTFL
| detaro wrote:
| free speech for people that should be absolute leaders, like
| himself. totally makes sense. /s
| unflxw wrote:
| (free (speech absolutist)), not ((free speech) absolutist)
| b0sk wrote:
| https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/13/23722574/welcome-to-hell
|
| The previous regime at Twitter actually stood up to Erdogan.
| mrtksn wrote:
| Meanwhile, Turkey's oldest and most popular social media "Eksi
| Sozluk" was blocked again today.
|
| Previously, the original domain eksisozluk.com was blocked and
| the reason given was "the site has unnaturally large number of
| critics". Once the appeals to the court failed, they switched to
| eksisozluk2023.com and it was fine for a while but tonight they
| blocked that domain too. Now the new domain is eksisozluk42.com
|
| An interesting fact is, the website is run by a legal entity
| registered in Turkey, with physical offices in central Istanbul.
| They are known to run the website by the book and removing any
| content the court demands but the core principle is "anything
| legal goes". So it's quite a free speech platform, despite some
| controversies over they years.
|
| It's ridiculous to have them blocked since they are %100 legal.
| The government literally just said "fuck it, just block it".
| rainytuesday wrote:
| So just like the 2020 election, then? De-platform political
| opponents and mock them by saying "build you own platform, its a
| private company"?
| fwlr wrote:
| Seems like the choice was between "Turkey blocks all of Twitter
| for all Turkish citizens" and "Twitter blocks certain tweets or
| accounts for all Turkish citizens"[1], and in addition Twitter
| will release information on what specifically the Turkish
| government requested to be blocked[2].
|
| I know Elon has endlessly declared himself a free speech
| absolutist, but to me this seems like a perfect test case of
| "free speech maximalist" vs "free speech absolutist" - in
| general, the maximalist preference is 100% > 99% > 98% > ... > 1%
| > 0%, while the absolutist preference is 100% > 0% > 1-99%. If he
| thinks his decision here is obviously correct then he's actually
| a maximalist, not an absolutist like he so often claimed.
|
| (Personally, I think this is a surprisingly sensible approach.
| I've long thought maximalism to be superior to absolutism, almost
| everywhere. In the case of free speech on the internet in
| particular, I take it as axiomatic that "The internet interprets
| censorship as damage and routes around it", and consider it an
| obvious corollary that minimizing the amount of damage results in
| the most efficient and rapid re-routing.)
|
| 1: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1657422401754259461 2:
| https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1657428707995181058
| dmatech wrote:
| This happened before back in 2014[1] and also involved Twitter
| blocking access to certain posts or accounts under the threat
| of a total block. What exactly are their alternatives?
|
| I suppose they could drag their feet a day or two until after
| the election, but after that, they'd be subject to fines,
| complete blocks of the site (like what happened to Wikipedia[2]
| for almost three years), and who knows what else. They could
| attempt to fight this in Turkish courts, but that might be
| futile.
|
| 1.
| https://blog.twitter.com/official/en_us/a/2014/challenging-t...
| 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_of_Wikipedia_in_Turkey
| timeon wrote:
| > free speech maximalist
|
| the term is: hypocrisy
| cbeach wrote:
| Unfortunately in a country like Turkey, if Twitter doesn't comply
| with the regime, the regime simply blocks Twitter for everyone in
| the country.
|
| Erdogan meddles (with only partial success, hopefully) or Erdogan
| blocks? What's worse?
| andrewflnr wrote:
| Meddling is worse. If Twitter is blocked, everyone there knows
| exactly what's going on. If some people are silenced, it's much
| easier for that to go unnoticed.
| esafak wrote:
| They could just insert a banner saying they blocked certain
| accounts to appease Erdogan and people would still know. His
| voters don't mind meddling; they are not free speech
| absolutists.
| andrewflnr wrote:
| Oh please, do you think Erdogan would think that's funny?
| That'll just get Twitter blocked harder, even after you
| decide to bend over for him.
| esafak wrote:
| It's not a secret whose accounts are blocked or why, so
| what's the joke?
| hgsgm wrote:
| Twitter should pretend to comply while rerouting information.
| h2odragon wrote:
| Which governments should Twitter obey, then?
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