[HN Gopher] Indian Sign Talk (1893)
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Indian Sign Talk (1893)
Author : tintinnabula
Score : 12 points
Date : 2023-05-12 05:33 UTC (17 hours ago)
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| ganarajpr wrote:
| Why has no one come up with a different name for the Native
| Americans? I know Columbus confused it to be India and called
| them Indians - but do we need to persist in his ignorance? To be
| honest if I had only read the title of this story I would have
| assumed that it dealt with a sign language invented in India.
|
| I know this is the wrong place to complain about this, but hey,
| you need to start the conversation somewhere!
| mat_epice wrote:
| There is no need to come up with a new term, they already
| exist. You call the group what they want (e.g., Dine'e, tribe
| name, etc.), or indigenous American if referring to several
| groups.
|
| You may be shocked to learn that many indigenous groups are
| perfectly ok being called American Indians, and some don't like
| the term Native American[1].
|
| [1] https://americanindian.si.edu/nk360/faq/did-you-know
| manquer wrote:
| There is the other side of the equation , Indians have to
| fine with it too.
|
| I can't speak for all 1.4B, but I find this misappropriation
| of my identity at best annoying and many times offensive .
|
| Just identifying ethnically in say a form is a complex dance
| in the US .
|
| - Identify as an Asian is considered inaccurate and also not
| acceptable for East Asians who already find it difficult
| enough being grouped as one big AAPI bucket which have vast
| differences
|
| - Identify as Indian could mean indigenous American or people
| from my country , so ambiguous.
|
| - Identify as Indian American and have nuanced differences
| between American Indian understood, that is assuming label is
| accurate - for residents who are not naturalized citizens it
| is not and that's most Indians in the US
|
| - Identify as East Indian, that have different interpretation
| in India and America
|
| It just not our identity it is the swastika, or turbans
| symbols of my culture are just appropriated to be abused or
| misunderstood at least our name should be ours ?
| the_third_wave wrote:
| Who feels the discussion needs to be started? Are you an
| American Indian? If not, why do you feel the need to speak out
| for them? They - as in "each and every one of them,
| individually" as opposed to "one of them claiming to represent
| all American Indians without having been voted to be such by
| each and everyone of them" - are perfectly capable of voicing
| their own opinion on this subject after all. If you are the
| question still remains: do you speak for all American Indians?
| I know that there are plenty American Indians who don't have
| any problems with being called American Indians so you seem to
| not speak for them at least. I also know that there are many
| American Indians who are not at all pleased with the way these
| self-proclaimed representatives keep on succeeding in removing
| references to their martial history from sports teams since
| they understand - rightly so in my opinion - that teams did not
| call themselves "Braves" or "Chiefs" or other such names
| because they thought American Indians were a bunch of sissies -
| they took these names because they wanted to catch some of the
| shine of the reputation for martial prowess American Indians
| had.
|
| I'm a Dutchman. It has come to my ears that Americans often
| abuse the term "Dutch" to indicate (perceived) negatives:
|
| - Dutch courage: liquid courage, bravery only due to
| intoxication
|
| - Dutch treat/Going Dutch: everyone pays their own expenses
|
| - Dutch Uncle: a besserwisser giving "stern but well-meaning"
| advice
|
| - Double Dutch/High Dutch: unintelligible speech
|
| I could claim to represent all Dutchmen and -women and demand
| that these terms be replaced with others not referring to my
| nationality even though _I know this is the wrong place to
| complain about this, but hey, you need to start the
| conversation somewhere!_.
|
| I won't do so because a) I don't care and b) I do not represent
| anyone else but myself.
| quechimba wrote:
| One time I saw a sign in Iquitos saying "Authentic Indian Food"
| and I was hoping to get a nice curry but all they had was fried
| fish and green plantains.
| sandworm101 wrote:
| >> desired that his book be put to use as a tool to convert
| Native Americans to Christianity comes from a section entitled "
| _Receive Jesus Now_ ".
|
| That just about sums up a few centuries of history. I am all for
| documenting an recording traditions, but I am totally against
| appropriating traditions for the express purpose of defeating
| them.
| the_third_wave wrote:
| In the eyes of most of those who intended to convert people
| they were doing them a favour since they were convinced that
| heaven only awaited those who followed their faith. Compare it
| to vegans who try to convert people to their dietary choices -
| they may be annoying but they're not evil.
| _a_a_a_ wrote:
| People change, societies and norms change what once was de
| rigueur is now rightly held repugnant. Religion back then is
| very different from religion now, what happened then wouldn't
| now. No point getting angry at the past.
|
| (atheist)
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