[HN Gopher] Expensive energy may have killed more Europeans than...
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Expensive energy may have killed more Europeans than Covid-19 last
winter
Author : mfiguiere
Score : 65 points
Date : 2023-05-10 21:56 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| mavu wrote:
| Can't possibly be secondary effects of Covid-19, right?
|
| Because that would mean we would have to acknowledge long covid,
| and possible immune system damage of repeated infections.
|
| That won't do at all, people might want not to die for the
| ecconomy.
| goatlover wrote:
| You can't separate the economy from the well being of people.
| drekipus wrote:
| Good point
| anonporridge wrote:
| When robots do all the work you can.
| [deleted]
| neurobama wrote:
| The evidence-based research on long COVID is limited and of
| mixed quality. From what I've seen, there are significant gaps
| in experimental methodology and a lot of studies based on
| extremely subjective surveys which don't effectively filter co-
| morbities. I would strongly caution you to examine the data
| before adopting a strong position on the issue and applying it
| to potentially unrelated phenomena.
| pasttense01 wrote:
| People should have been able to adapt to the need to use less
| heating energy. 1. Wear warmer clothing. 2. Very substantially
| cut down on the portion of the house you live in and consequently
| need to heat...
| renewiltord wrote:
| It appears very fortunate that India has increased oil exports to
| Europe. May have reduced this impact somewhat and saved lives.
| julienb_sea wrote:
| The movement towards renewables and away from reliable,
| inexpensive fossil generation will continue this trend in years
| to come. Gas generation is increasingly economically unviable
| with so much competition from renewables, but it remains
| necessary in order to provide baseload capacity, fill gaps when
| renewables are underperforming, and handle significant energy
| demand (e.g. an extreme winter storm).
| dougmwne wrote:
| It certainly seems to have killed several businesses in my city.
| mustacheemperor wrote:
| Indirect victims of Russia's invasion of its sovereign neighbors.
|
| It is so unfortunate that Europe became dependent on Russian
| energy.
|
| I was too young to remember these events firsthand, but learning
| about Grozny in the history books, I am mystified that the world
| was so eager to cooperate with Russia such a short time later.
| Putin completely destroyed a cosmopolitan city killing thousands
| of civilians. The Russian military offered the defenders safe
| passage out of the city and mined the road overnight before they
| left.
|
| Just over a decade later Nordstream 1 turned on Europe's money
| tap for Russia. And now we suffer the consequences.
|
| HN, this is semi-off topic, and emotional, but this war makes me
| so sad. Some of my partner's family fled across Ukraine from this
| invasion. The generational farm she visited as a kid is only a
| memory now: I will never see it. When we first started dating we
| talked about how nice it would be visit one day, and now it's
| been destroyed. Her grandmother wanted to live out the rest of
| her days in Kyiv and instead had to flee through Poland for DC
| where she is confined in a condo with my mother in law, watching
| her country be destroyed on the news.
| thriftwy wrote:
| Somebody has to supply your energy. Is Bashar Assad a better
| option, or perhaps Saudis are better? Islamic republic or Iran
| perhaps?
|
| If you don't like how Russia handled Ichkeria, you are not
| alone because Russians have exactly that feeling about
| Yugoslavia as well as Iraq.
| anonporridge wrote:
| They're ultimately victims of their own political leaders who
| increased dependency on Russian gas in order to irrationally
| kill nuclear fission energy.
|
| Anti-nuclear energy activists will likely go down in history as
| villains.
| deanCommie wrote:
| https://archive.is/5VEZE
| neonate wrote:
| http://web.archive.org/web/20230510215922/https://www.econom...
| 110889725 wrote:
| Btw, the title means that: this past winter, more people died due
| to "expensive energy" than due to Covid-19.
|
| It's not the case that more people died last winter due to
| "expensive energy" than due to Covid-19 in total (see
| https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105).
| jahnu wrote:
| A very important detail! Deaths from covid are way way down
| mainly because of vaccines.
| preciz wrote:
| Why is HN so eager to cheer vaccines wherever it can? This is
| not a Hollywood movie where you get super powers 5 seconds
| after a vaccine but the real world where in the middle of a
| pandemic a vaccine is introduced based on fake efficacy data
| which is then makes billions of dollars for the producer
| company which is connected to the media which creates panic
| so the product basically gets mandated and masks get forced
| on 2 year olds while kids can't go to school and live a
| normal life.
|
| Vaccines should be treated as other medical products and
| people who worship them needs some basics about statistical
| fraud. Let the downvotes come.
| jupp0r wrote:
| It's technically also not true that people were killed by
| "Expensive energy".
| usrusr wrote:
| Makes me wonder how many people have died because of terrible
| headlines...
| drekipus wrote:
| That reminds me of the time I saw a local newspaper with
| the front page headline
|
| "Fatal distraction kills driver"
|
| But with the irony of a red square covering 80% of the
| page, as a Foxtel ad. Lemme see if I can find it..
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