[HN Gopher] Try Galaxy: A web app to demo Samsung's OS on an iPhone
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Try Galaxy: A web app to demo Samsung's OS on an iPhone
Author : ouked
Score : 141 points
Date : 2023-05-10 11:42 UTC (11 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (trygalaxy.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (trygalaxy.com)
| Toutouxc wrote:
| IMO it's fine. I had a Galaxy S9 a few years ago for two weeks
| (had to return it because of hardware issues) and it felt nice to
| use, smooth and modern. I've used many kinds of phones in my
| life, dumb phones, Symbian, Windows on PDAs and smartphones,
| Android from 1.6 up until now, and even though I'm firmly team
| Apple at this moment, I have to say that not having a dedicated
| "back" button or gesture and only occasionally showing a "back"
| arrow in the top-left corner (i.e. the one you can't reach one-
| handed) really stands out among the stupid UI decisions I've
| seen. Yes, iOS is fast and polished, it's just that pretty often
| I'm not sure how I got somewhere and how to get out.
| TetOn wrote:
| Swiping left to right from the leftmost edge of the phone onto
| the screen will execute the "back" function with or without the
| presence of a "back" arrow at the top-left corner.
| joekrill wrote:
| Not on iOS, which I believe OP is referring to. On Android
| you can swipe back. But I just tried this on my iPad and it
| does not work. For the longest time I never even _noticed_
| that "<back" link in the upper-left corner!
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| As an iOS app dev, swipe to go back definitely works on
| native iOS apps. If you find an app it doesn't work in it's
| probably an app built in whatever cross platform UI
| framework which doesn't implement the gesture.
|
| Additionally, one can always swipe the bottom bar to switch
| between apps.
| thiht wrote:
| You definitely can swipe back on iOS, I do it all the time
| and AFAIK it's the primary recommended way to go back. You
| have to swipe from the edge though.
| Etheryte wrote:
| Yes it does on iOS, it might just be that you misunderstand
| how the mechanic works. Swiping back will never exit you
| out of an application. But for example if you go Settings -
| General - About and then swipe back two times you'll end up
| back on the Settings screen.
| boterock wrote:
| but now they added this task switcher to iPad which also
| appears when dragging from the left edge, and now going back
| is like rolling a dice. you don't know how how to go back
| without triggering the task switcher so it ends up taking
| multiple attempts to go back without the OS consuming the
| input
| zgk7iqea wrote:
| you can disable stage manager. i believe it is off by
| default
| Yizahi wrote:
| You can't swipe across the opposing screen edge with your
| thump without letting go of the full grip on the phone and
| holding it only partially, risking it to fall. Glass phone
| body only makes things much worse. You can do it with a back
| button in a sane position though, without compromising a
| grip. Android allows navbar gestures since ver.10 and I never
| enable them because buttons are simply better, even though
| they take away some space on the screen.
| iSnow wrote:
| I switched to iPhone 13 Mini because there's no recent and
| small Android phone anymore. On the Mini, you can easily
| reach that screen edge. Which just drives home the point
| that those gigantoscreens are a bad idea.
| pyr0hu wrote:
| Dropped my iPhone 13 around 4-5 times, on the floor, in the
| bathtub without water, on the desk. Not even a scratch. I
| was afraid of the glass back but this thing _is_ sturdy.
| "Risking to fall" was a good reason about 4-5 years ago,
| but since then the devices got much better protected from
| falling IMO
| cglong wrote:
| As a leftie, I really appreciate that on Android you can pull
| in from the rightmost edge too.
| Toutouxc wrote:
| I was actually looking forward to this coming to iOS, but
| it's one of the things that work great until they suddenly
| don't. Back from a photo in Photos? Swipe down or top left
| corner. Hide the keyboard? Middle right. Back from someone's
| profile in Messages? Swipe down or top right. Back from a PDF
| in Files? No swipes, just top right. Some of these do make
| sense if you follow closely how the UI elements fly onto the
| screen, but are confusing if you don't.
| cassepipe wrote:
| Dedicated back and home button is the reason why I always buy
| a refurbished Galaxy S7 after I break/lose it. This is my
| third is six years. I like that the price to pay to maintain
| the same experience actually goes downwards. Who knows how
| long it will keep working like that? Hopefully I will be able
| to put lineageOS or postmarketOS on it when the software
| eventually stops working. Maybe some day I get to be an
| amazing linux hardware programmer like Caleb Connolly and am
| able to mainline S7 support in linux like he did for the
| SnapDragon 845, whatever that means
| realusername wrote:
| > Who knows how long it will keep working like that?
| Hopefully I will be able to put lineageOS or postmarketOS
| on it when the software eventually stops working.
|
| You'll be fine, if I break my current phone, my next one
| will be a Galaxy S4 as well, some people do run Android 12
| on it nowadays, the battery is replaceable and the phone is
| so cheap used that it's not even worth worrying about.
| butz wrote:
| I remember when in early days of J2ME enabled mobile phones I was
| downloading development kits just to test out how UI on one or
| other mobile phone worked. They usually had very limited OS part,
| being targeted to development. Later some "simulators" build with
| Flash appeared on web, allowing to test out some phone features.
| Seems we came back full circle?
| ConanRus wrote:
| [dead]
| [deleted]
| marcodiego wrote:
| How do I try it on my desktop browser?
| jeroenhd wrote:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35886531
| sugardough wrote:
| At least they were honest enough to let me know that ads are just
| a swipe away from the home screen.
| jptoto wrote:
| No amount of these gimmicks will turn folks on to non-iOS devices
| if their friends/families/social circles are using iPhones.
| Messages, photo sharing, and the close paring with Apple devices
| is too much to walk away from.
| curling_grad wrote:
| Kind of irony that there is no Korean language option...
| neodymiumphish wrote:
| I'd assume that they don't feel any see a need to market Galaxy
| devices to Korean speakers.
| semireg wrote:
| Android forever reminds me of an unwritten chapter in David
| Foster Wallace's Supposedly Fun Things I'll Never Do Again.
| tiffanyg wrote:
| The incessant Apple (iOS) / Google [and manufacturers] (Android)
| sniping is truly a sight to behold.
|
| People going out of their way to declare (or at least make clear
| with varying degrees of intensity) just exactly which feudal
| overlord they're ready to "bleed for" (i.e., give money, personal
| data, and free promotion to). People who often act as if they
| have an appropriately suspicious view of corporations in just
| about any other interaction, come out boldly declaring that this
| company or that company is GREAT when it comes to privacy, or
| consumer choice, or <fill in the blank>.
|
| One of the strongest and most consistent weaknesses of human
| psychology is the effect "flags" have on otherwise reasonable
| minds.
| samstave wrote:
| Said " _flags_ ", typically, have the ability to tax, control,
| imprison and murder you either domestically or send you into a
| meat grinder in the name of "national security" etc..
|
| So yeah, people tend to fall in line under a flag through a
| lifetime of indoctrination and threat of financial or physical
| violence...
| tiffanyg wrote:
| There's something more fundamental, though - humans are a
| "social species". Evolutionarily, we are adapted to requiring
| (generally) at least something of a group / tribe. Other
| organisms solve survival (of the species, ultimately)
| problems differently - incredible and 'cheap' reproductive
| capacity, strength and versatility enough to be much more
| solitary as a rule, etc. - those niches are somewhat to
| rather different.
|
| In any case, at this point in human history especially, I'd
| argue it's time to consider "the group" to be ALL humans -
| "by default". There are nuances, and I'm out of time for
| commenting further right now, but, that's my take on it.
|
| Hopefully, this comment is of some use to you / someone /
| etc. - hope y'all have a great day!
| valeness wrote:
| [flagged]
| classified wrote:
| Right, jaded cynics are much better entertainment.
| samstave wrote:
| Halp
|
| Am I the cynic? Did I fuck up, ELI5 your interpretation
| of my comment?
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _People going out of their way to declare_
|
| Isn't this a bit dramatic? It's a demo to which people are
| replying with their preferences. Some fly flags, but most
| debate features and priorities.
| Y_Y wrote:
| > "From my tutor, [I learned] to be neither of the Greens nor
| the Blues, the Parmularius nor the Scutarius; to bear hard work
| and have few needs; to do my own work and mind my own affairs;
| also -- have nothing to do with gossip."
|
| That's Marcus Aurelius in the "Meditations" talking about
| supporting teams at the chariot races and gladiator fights. It
| seems very human to get all tribal about something subjective
| and inconsequential. Ancient Rome had the same fanboyism, just
| in a different arena.
|
| (I have a phone that just runs Alpine Linux, but I know better
| than to try and tell anyone about it.)
| 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
| > People going out of their way to declare (or at least make
| clear with varying degrees of intensity) just exactly which
| feudal overlord they're ready to "bleed for"
|
| What about people who hate their overlord?
|
| > (I have a phone that just runs Alpine Linux, but I know
| better than to try and tell anyone about it.)
|
| I wish you would! That sounds interesting!
| tiffanyg wrote:
| Thank you for this insightful comment!
|
| (Love the aside at the end ... seriously, though, Aurelius
| had an incisive eye, his writings have great value and much
| to teach just about anyone ...)
| [deleted]
| quaintdev wrote:
| Marcus Aurelius thoughts have survived 2000 years. He did not
| even wanted them to be published. What a legend!
|
| > I have a phone that just runs Alpine Linux, but I know
| better than to try and tell anyone about it.
|
| What phone is this?
| noja wrote:
| Could be https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Pine64_A64_LTS
| Y_Y wrote:
| Sibling comments are correct, it's a pinephone (non-pro,
| with keyboard)
| Moto7451 wrote:
| Possibly the Pine Phone.
| alvarezbjm-hn wrote:
| During a conflict, that mindset requires a large quote of
| power to be exercised. If you don't belong to a tribe, you
| will be declared an enemy. Picking no tribe doesn't make you
| "neutral" It makes you everybody's enemy.
| stronglikedan wrote:
| The best thing about us Samsung fans is that we get to give our
| personal data to both Samsung _and_ Google!
| SketchySeaBeast wrote:
| My theory is that if everyone has my data it becomes useless.
| abvaw wrote:
| What does human psychology say about people who feel superior
| to the plebs who post online on whether they like iOS or
| Android?
| tiffanyg wrote:
| [flagged]
| tiffanyg wrote:
| [flagged]
| rvcdbn wrote:
| Kind of wish this actually worked as a phone by running Android
| in the cloud. Would be really useful to have a second phone
| inside an app for all sorts of things.
| SketchySeaBeast wrote:
| That's how yet another service ends up hosting a bunch of
| malware and crypto farmers.
| denkquer wrote:
| for example? I don't see how it would be useful at all
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| Android for Work already lets you isolate some apps in their
| own little container with separate data, but this would let
| you keep it safer by never having that data even physically
| present on the phone.
|
| Actually generalize that: Depending on your exact threat
| models, this is a great way to have data that can't be lost
| or stolen just because your device is.
|
| For a large enough app it's probably less data intensive, not
| to mention much faster, to run the app in a cloud data center
| where it has effectively unlimited bandwidth, and just stream
| a video of it over a smaller network connection to the phone.
|
| Creating virtual phones in cloud is probably an easy way to
| create a lot of them, which allows you to do things like run
| untrusted apps in complete isolation without access to any of
| your data or other applications.
| throwaway4good wrote:
| Now that everyone can see what is possible with webapps, it is
| time to drop the centralized app stores and free the world from
| the shackles of google and apple ...
| zuhsetaqi wrote:
| For this stuttering experience and pages losing context and/or
| have to reload when navigating back? No thanks.
|
| I know that it's possible to do (better) but fact is most web
| developers don't (or can't?). Even VS Code, the prime example
| of how good Web Apps can be always reloads the page of an
| extension when you switch the tab and go back. Don't get me
| started on MS Teams which is just horrible to use
| can16358p wrote:
| Thank you Samsung...
|
| For making me glad that I use an iPhone once again.
| Sirikon wrote:
| Surely fun to develop. Worst spent marketing budget in history.
| JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B wrote:
| It's restricted to Safari on the iPhone, the language cannot be
| changed, the demo cannot launch, and I have an iPhone for a
| reason, I know that I don't like Android and Samsung. The fact
| that it's broken confirms it. I don't know what they are trying
| to do with this.
| KomoD wrote:
| A trashy web app being broken confirms you dont like android?
| wiseowise wrote:
| Half-assed ecosystem and OS is the reason why I left for iOS.
|
| So yeah, they couldn't even make it proper, which reinforces
| my belief.
| KomoD wrote:
| Samsung couldn't make a proper web app so therefore Android
| sucks, love that logic
| wiseowise wrote:
| Samsung is one of Android vendors.
|
| If the biggest vendor can't make it right, who can?
|
| I love Android, it's a great scaffold to base your
| product on, but all implementations just suck.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| The demo does work, though? Apple has some weird requirements
| about having to install apps to the home screen (through the
| share menu, of all places) before they can go full screen, but
| once you get around that it works fine.
|
| I'm not sure what the point of trying it is if you already know
| beforehand that you're going to hate it.
| kichimi wrote:
| A webapp being broken on an iPhone is proof that android sucks?
| markeibes wrote:
| A company launching something broken is proof of their poor
| quality control.
| kichimi wrote:
| But it works, I just tried it.
| wiseowise wrote:
| It's janky, half complete and shows nothing but an empty
| shell.
|
| I've seen better OS "emulations" on HN made by devs in
| their free time.
| madoublet wrote:
| It works fine.
| murukesh_s wrote:
| will only launch if you add it to the home screen.
| carstenhag wrote:
| Ironically this option does not exist for me. Pretty much
| sums up Apple's desired usage level of PWA: Almost 0. Of
| course it can be caused by a Samsung issue, but this UI is
| generally so well hidden because they don't want people to
| use it.
| kernal wrote:
| I just tried this. The UI and UX are hideous. I don't see why any
| iPhone user would even consider switching to a Samsung phone
| based on this very underwhelming demo.
| 32gbsd wrote:
| Get rid of the "you are already on Android" message.
| sundvor wrote:
| Try it on a Samsung!
|
| Then it'll say you're already on _Samsung_..
|
| (I'd like to see that it looks like too.)
| eddieroger wrote:
| This demo does consumers a disservice by downplaying the
| relationship between Galaxy and Android, I'd argue. If this neat
| demo is effective, it's not a clear story for a novice end-user
| (so non-HN readers) that asking for a non-iPhone at the Verizon
| store /may/ have this experience, but may not. They sort of
| address what device and experience this would provide, but the
| text is small, doesn't meet contrast suggestions, and only seems
| to appear on the desktop, which actually makes me think my
| statement is more true in that just asking for a Galaxy phone may
| not match this experience.
| Takennickname wrote:
| Can't try this on Android. Wtf.
| aceazzameen wrote:
| They want you to buy an iPhone to try it.
| CharlesW wrote:
| For the same reason many apps are iOS-first -- because testing
| on Android is incredibly difficult (and expensive) to do well.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| It would create a recursive catastrophe and generate a black
| hole destroying space and time.
| ppetty wrote:
| I'm not switching but this is a good demo approach. And if it
| gets better over time might seem ironic to early iPhone owners
| who were told that web apps would suffice... you can accomplish a
| lot with SPA / PWA.
|
| It also makes me wonder if an Android "container" could run as an
| app on an iPhone. Maybe sideloading leads to that?
| jeroenhd wrote:
| Apple probably won't allow a full, dynamic Android container on
| their app store because of restrictions regarding loading code
| from the internet.
|
| From a technical standpoint, I suppose it's possible, but you'd
| be stuck with a very barebones Android system without all the
| system daemons for notifications and such. You'll also need to
| write some kind of EGL-to-Metal driver to get decent graphical
| performance out of it.
|
| Seeing how far Anbox and Windows' Android implementation have
| come, I do wonder if it's possible to take an Android app,
| stick it into an emulator, and bundle that as an .ipa for use
| on iOS and macOS. It would certainly make porting easier.
| sintezcs wrote:
| I've just tried it, and looks like I'm never going to buy Samsung
| instead of my iPhone :)
| saiya-jin wrote:
| [flagged]
| doix wrote:
| Funny that you pick on the hardware. I'd use an Apple phone
| if it could run Android, the hardware is the only positive
| thing I say about Apple stuff. My girlfriend has an iPhone 14
| Pro Max and camera/microphone are good and and the lidar
| stuff is pretty cool.
|
| The software is completely and utterly unusable for me. It
| reminds me of when I used to help my grandparents with
| technology, except now I am the grandparent. Nothing works
| like I'd expect and I just find it frustrating.
|
| There are Android phones in a similar price range and I'm not
| really tempted to buy any of them. I would buy an iPhone
| running Android though.
| smm11 wrote:
| I'd buy a iPhone in a heartbeat if I could run "Galaxy" as
| a VM on it, saving data to the cloud, blah, blah.
|
| Which I guess is an option by this afternoon at least.
| pixelpanic360 wrote:
| [dead]
| olliecornelia wrote:
| Curious about the "seriously subpar hardware" claim. What are
| you referring to specifically?
| elboru wrote:
| Yeah, I don't get it, I used to be an android user since
| the first Galaxy S up until the Galaxy S7, I'm really
| sensitive to slow devices, so as soon as my androids got a
| little slow (usually after a big update) I switched to the
| new shiny one. Then I got tired of buying flashy and
| expensive phones that lasted 2.5 years so I give the iPhone
| X a try. It's 2023 and I still use the same phone I still
| get updates and what's more important to me those updates
| haven't slowed my phone a bit. It still feels the same. I'm
| not coming back as long as Apple keeps my old phones fast.
| Yizahi wrote:
| My iPhone 4S and iPad 2 were destroyed in performance
| after update from iOS6 to iOS7 (and helpfully without
| possibility of downgrade, thanks Apple), plus a lot of
| apps were deprecated in that update due to some API
| changes or whatever. That's just adding more data points
| to the legend of "perfect updates on the iPhones".
|
| My Samsung phone is 3 years old, it got 3 major updates
| over these years, and last update was 29/03/2023, a
| little more than a month ago. It also didn't slow a bit
| over time.
|
| People making a cult out of some common industry
| standards are tiring really. Sure, Apple lead the way
| with those standards (and destroyed some when it was
| profitable for them too), but that happened ages ago. You
| might as well remember some Android phones from 10 years
| ago and compare them to iPhone 14.
| Lalabadie wrote:
| I don't think a three-year support period is the argument
| you are making it out to be.
|
| As a side-note, you've used your comment to remember some
| Apple devices from 13 years ago and compared them to an
| Android device bought in 2020.
| opan wrote:
| My solution is to never use the vendor ROM. I only get
| phones with LineageOS support, and then I unlock the
| bootloader and flash LineageOS ASAP. Stays fast and gets
| updated longer than the official way. Even the Galaxy S3
| still gets pretty good community support.
| yett wrote:
| "seriously subpar hardware" Apple's ARM chips are years ahead
| in competition
| behnamoh wrote:
| I think the GP meant RAM.
| marcellus23 wrote:
| Why do you think that?
| redbell wrote:
| This is a piece of art!
|
| Since this is -I guess- a project made for fun, it would nice to
| open source it, so we can learn from it. Maybe then, we can make
| the opposite project, TryiOS.com
| Uehreka wrote:
| I'm pretty sure this is an ad for Samsung phones, not a project
| made for fun. It also isn't as deep as it first appears. This
| isn't "Samsung's Android compiled to wasm", it's "a web app
| that acts like Android until you click on the wrong thing
| whereupon it stops you from going too deep". Like, most of the
| Settings screens aren't even built out.
| circuit10 wrote:
| Yes, I think I've seen ads for this site
| netbioserror wrote:
| Yeah, I'm just chomping at the bit to "experience" a bloated and
| proprietary half-Android franken-OS, and do it in a browser SPA.
| Sign me up!
| neodymiumphish wrote:
| I was a hardcore proponent for custom ROMs and unlocked
| bootloaders for the first ~10 years of my mobile phone
| experience, mostly Nexus and Pixel devices. With OneUI that
| came with the S10, I've changed my opinion. It's a much better
| UI and UX than AOSP or Google's default Android experience. I
| still support the devices that include unlockable bootloaders
| for long term updates and customization, but OneUI is hard to
| beat, and Google and Samsung have been working much more
| closely lately than ever before.
| netbioserror wrote:
| I use my phone as little as I can bear. Barebones GrapheneOS,
| Fdroid for most things, browser for bank/maps, and four days
| of battery life. Every proprietary Android ROM is a downsell
| for me.
| neodymiumphish wrote:
| That's fair, but your use case is far from any average
| users out there, and probably would scare most users away
| from Android entirely.
| netbioserror wrote:
| It can do emails and VPN just fine, so I'm wondering what
| the "average user" is missing. Grubhub? Crappy mobile
| games? Social networks that are making their lives worse?
| Definitely not YouTube because NewPipe is full-stop
| better. I'm just surprised that "Maybe I don't need all
| this toxic crap" is such a niche, extreme position that
| draws me funny looks and scorn.
| neodymiumphish wrote:
| I'm not arguing that it's better or that ant of those
| things are good, but there will never be mainstream
| support or even k owledge about them.
| pixelated_music wrote:
| Probably not the right place for a suggestion, but since
| you mentioned NewPipe, I would also suggest checking out
| LibreTube[0], been my choice of Youtube app after their
| redesign.
|
| [0] https://github.com/libre-tube/LibreTube
| cuoco wrote:
| Awesome app! It would be awesome if it could be used as an app
| launcher or something.
| basisword wrote:
| I've got a Galaxy for work (S20). I got it the year it was
| released and I can't believe people choose to use it. It just
| feels horrible compared to the iPhone. Delays in the keyboard
| showing, UI lag all over the place, constant updates and
| notifications for Samsung things I'm not interested in. It was so
| bad I did a factory reset, thinking I'd screwed something
| up...but no, still the same. It's a similar feeling to when
| Windows XP needed defragged or reinstalled - but at least when
| you reinstalled XP it was quick again.
| hrrsn wrote:
| I was given an S21 FE for work last year and I tried giving it
| an honest shot (similarly resetting it in the hopes it would
| improve) but after a few months I gave up and put the work SIM
| in my personal iPhone.
| mattl wrote:
| It thinks my iPhone SE 2020 is older than an iPhone 7 and won't
| let me see the demo.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| A virtual smartphone experience is a pretty cool demonstration of
| how smooth web apps can be. I'd love for other companies to also
| make these types of demos available so you can try out the
| software design before you spend money on it.
|
| I didn't know about the dialer/Google Meet integration, that's a
| pretty smart move. The messages app being labeled "Android
| Messages" was also a surprise, I don't know any other brand that
| uses this exact messenger. Maybe the point they're trying to
| bring across there is that texts are just as good as iMessage?
|
| It all feels pretty close to native though the web UI is still a
| lot choppier than the real UI. For any real UI demo you'd
| probably need an app rather than a web app, but I don't think
| Apple would allow such an app on the app store.
|
| I'm not sure why Samsung is trying so hard with the ads, though.
| I get it, you really like the New And Exciting Samsung Galaxy S23
| Ultra Plus, you don't have to repeat it every other screen. I'm
| also not sure why they've gone all in on these influencer videos,
| the acting in them is so obvious it made me cringe. Is this what
| American ads look like?
| dclowd9901 wrote:
| The way phone makers seem to be making phones more averse to
| web apps (apple's 7 day eviction of web site data springs to
| mind), I don't think this is the takeaway they want you to
| have.
| NexusGS wrote:
| Thanks Samsung, that is a great reminder for all iOS users that
| they still get the best experience in the market (not to mention
| privacy)!
| cornedor wrote:
| In the "settings app" they show of a few features. For some
| reason they decided that one of those great features is a
| mallware scanner...
|
| I don't think this site will be very convincing, there are a
| lot of glitchy animations and unresponsive areas that look as
| if they should be working.
| stronglikedan wrote:
| I've tried to make the switch to iOS a few times, but it's
| hardly the best experience on the market, and I always go back
| to my Galaxy. Not that it's the best experience, since that's
| purely subjective, but it's just peoples' preferred experience.
| gbil wrote:
| Demo performance is shit for sure which doesn't help but having
| daily experience with both devices I can say that it is not
| black and white
| kernal wrote:
| I use both an iPhone and a Pixel and like both. It's
| unfortunate most people base their opinions of Android based on
| the Samsung UI/UX.
| [deleted]
| windexh8er wrote:
| > not to mention privacy
|
| I believe it's a stretch to say that Apple has the best privacy
| experience in the market, unless you believe Apple's marketing
| pitch on "privacy" verbatim. I think the best privacy on a
| smart phone today is likely GrapheneOS. Apple has sold it's
| users on privacy, but in actuality Apple is a for profit
| platform that has, and will, target it's users data as it needs
| to delight it's shareholders. For example ATT has issues [0],
| there's a class action against them [1], and it's hard to take
| them seriously when there's concern from a number of other
| angles [2]. A walled garden doesn't imply security and that's
| how Apple sells "privacy".
|
| [0] https://publicknowledge.org/apples-privacy-promises-are-
| unde... [1] https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/09/apple-privacy-
| tracking-lawsui... [2]
| https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/23/apple-use...
| jbluepolarbear wrote:
| Which phone comes with GrapheneOS in the market? For off the
| shelf phones, Apple is still one of the best option for
| privacy on the market. Market is being able to buy a phone as
| is, not install a 3rd party OS.
| smoldesu wrote:
| If they're the best the market has to offer, we ought to
| start demanding better competitors. Apple is a cardholding
| PRISM member with proven backdoors in their OS. They're
| also a noted pushover and were fine instating total iCloud
| surveillance when China asked nicely.
|
| It's a victory if you want it, but utterly pyrric when both
| of the options on the "market" are useless for privacy.
| CharlesW wrote:
| > _If they 're the best the market has to offer, we ought
| to start demanding better competitors._
|
| Any legitimate competitors will follow the law in the
| jurisdictions it sells to, which is why this requires
| political solutions first.
| smoldesu wrote:
| It _could_ be solved with a political concession, but it
| could also be solved by developing your OS in public so
| you 're accountable for any "accidental" security
| mistakes.
| windexh8er wrote:
| I disagree completely with this sentiment. We've been told
| that's how you buy a phone. Do you also buy generic servers
| or PCs that way? Where you can only run one OS? Apple is
| the anomaly here. Phones should be able to run different
| OSes as well. The fact that there's a defense of Apple's
| not-so-great privacy record with "the market says this is
| what Apple says a phone is" - is an unfortunate, and
| successful, marketing campaign by Apple.
|
| Whether or not I can install a different OS on a phone does
| guarantee an erosion of privacy. What you're arguing is
| that I should be fine with Apple because you can't install
| another OS. No thanks. And, yes, people do buy Pixel phones
| just because they _can_ install a privacy respecting OS.
| Now, baseband is another problem, but - that 's one that
| Apple has no claims to solve for either.
| RussianCow wrote:
| > Do you also buy generic servers or PCs that way?
|
| Yes, the vast majority of people don't install a custom
| OS onto their computers, either. So for the average
| person, this doesn't matter.
|
| > What you're arguing is that I should be fine with Apple
| because you can't install another OS.
|
| That wasn't my interpretation of the OP. The fact that
| it's _possible_ , with a lot of effort, to get a privacy-
| centric device after the fact means nothing for the
| general public because they are never going to take those
| steps. So I think it's still reasonable to define "the
| market" as whatever the devices ship with.
|
| It's great that we have the ability to install privacy-
| focused operating systems on some Android devices (I have
| one), but if I were to suggest this to any of my friends,
| they would laugh me out of the room. There is far less
| resistance recommending Apple products.
| Zufriedenheit wrote:
| Impressive what pwa can achieve nowadays. I would like to have
| one of these for pre iOS7. I like the skeuomorphism in the old
| iOS.
| codetrotter wrote:
| Here is a screen recording showing what that web app looks like
| on an iPhone 14 Pro running iOS 16.2
|
| https://video.nstr.no/w/4uYSJs2a4iMb8R9XBZufn2
| mdev23 wrote:
| you are a saint
| trimbo wrote:
| There are dozens here:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=try+galaxy
|
| From this search I also learned this used to be called "iTest"
| 2 years ago.
| [deleted]
| the_common_man wrote:
| Video does not play - Too many requests
| codetrotter wrote:
| I recently added HAProxy in front of my PeerTube server.
|
| Probably the config for HAProxy is set a little bit low or
| something.
|
| But try again now. And then try again a little bit later if
| it continues to not load.
| codetrotter wrote:
| I've had time to look a bit more now.
|
| So when I proxy with HAProxy I was not forwarding client
| IP. And so Nginx and Peertube ended up thinking all
| connections came from same source. And this was probably
| leading to overly aggressive rate limiting at times.
|
| I have now fixed parts of the configs so that now Nginx and
| Peertube are aware of the real client IP address.
| iamwpj wrote:
| Just watching the incessant popups was frustrating.
| codetrotter wrote:
| In their defence most of the popups are in response to
| tapping things, but in the video that is less apparent :p
| neodymiumphish wrote:
| Would be kinda funny if some folks left iPhone demo devices on
| this web app in stores just to confuse potential buyers.
| TazeTSchnitzel wrote:
| This is surprisingly detailed! I didn't expect there to be such
| nice animations and for there to be an emoji panel in the
| messaging app.
|
| It's interesting that they're using Safari's "add to Home Screen"
| feature so they can use fullscreen. I think that might be why
| that's the only browser which is supported.
| vbitz wrote:
| It works on desktop Chrome if you emulate a iPhone display and
| user agent.
|
| They're just detecting "add to Home Screen" by looking for
| window.navigator.standalone which you can manually set using a
| breakpoint.
| prhrb wrote:
| can you explain more about manually setting a breakpoint. I
| am little noob
| cthulberg wrote:
| Chrome DevTools -> Sources -> trygalaxy.com -> _next/static
| -> pages -> index_... -> CTRL + F and search
| window.navigator.standalone -> click on the dash to the
| right (a blue arrow will appear) and refresh the page
|
| The page will freeze, go to the Console, type
| window.navigator.standalone = true; and unfreeze the page
| clicking on the blue arrow.
| prhrb wrote:
| Thanks
| jeroenhd wrote:
| That explains why I couldn't get it to work on my Android
| phone despite spoofing the user agent.
|
| Kind of annoying, I was wondering what Samsungs's phone UI
| looks like these days but I guess they don't want my money.
| Samsung's marketing department can be weird like that for no
| well explained reason.
|
| Edit: found out that Kiwi browser allows access to the Chrome
| extension store and to the Chrome dev tools so I got it to
| work despite all of Samsung's best efforts.
| password54321 wrote:
| Felt like I jumped into 2008. After all these years they have
| failed to get rid of that cheap Android look.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| That's pretty funny, I always associate the weirdly grey iOS
| look with cheapness. Probably has to do with how all the crappy
| apps and websites try to copy iOS for some reason. I guess it's
| all a matter of what you're used to.
| chickenimprint wrote:
| Honestly, the post-iOS 7 look looks much, much cheaper. I've
| always wondered how Johnny Ive got away with icons that look
| like they were designed in 5 minutes with GIMP. Everything is
| just a disgusting gradient weirdly cut off by the squircle like
| a "Download now" scam ad on a shady late 2000s piracy website.
| Not to speak of the icons that have zero consistency. They
| don't have the same margins, elements, styles, degree of
| complexity or anything in common really. It looks like they've
| been jumbled together from 4 different free svg icon packs.
| What the hell is that "Health" icon? Have you seen the
| abomination that is the settings icon?
| quenix wrote:
| Shows how subjective taste is. I like the settings & health
| icons.
| cubancigar11 wrote:
| The cheapness is in the eyes of the beholder because in reality
| it is only cheap compared to iPhone.
| MSFT_Edging wrote:
| The default app layouts and visuals of samsung devices really
| don't do them any favors.
|
| You'll find older folks leave it basically default. If you hide
| some of the ugly samsung app icons, it instantly improves
| tenfold.
|
| That being said, I only have a samsung because the s22 is the
| smallest flagship you can buy.
| Maxburn wrote:
| They had to release this as a web app because it's against app
| store rules to release something that emulates springboard or
| otherwise duplicate existing functionality. I understand app
| store protections help people a lot but silly rules like that
| prevent some interesting things like this demo experience.
| chunk_waffle wrote:
| Doesn't work if Firefox is the default browser.
| djvu97 wrote:
| How did they make it soooo crisp and native looking???
| jeroenhd wrote:
| It's just a full screen web app, browsers have a lot of APIs to
| make web app experiences feel more native these days.
| deanc wrote:
| I worked on a project similar to this for Windows Phone for Nokia
| about ten years ago. Wonder if it ever saw the light of day :)
| seti0Cha wrote:
| It did! I tried it out and ended up buying a Lumia. Really
| liked that phone too. Sadly, the app story was bad and the
| platform was doomed.
| AndroTux wrote:
| Wow, they even managed to simulate the choppy animations!
| jsheard wrote:
| IME Android phones tend to feel smoother nowadays thanks to
| 120hz displays becoming widespread even in the midrange. Apple
| has 120hz on their Pro models but if you drop just one notch
| down from that $1000+ flagship then you're immediately back at
| 60hz.
| xattt wrote:
| 60 vs 120 hz doesn't explain animations without v-sync.
| etra0 wrote:
| My experience, sadly, has been the opposite. I had an iPhone
| 13 Pro Max with 120hz, and switched to a S22 Ultra, and
| although I can see the animations at 120hz, most of the time
| they feel stuttery.
|
| I always was an Android user until that iPhone, I had it for
| about a year, and switched back to Android again because I
| thought I was missing some stuff, but I was wrong, I don't
| miss a thing of current Android, I think current iOS is
| simply smoother and more fun to use, and stutter free 95% of
| the time.
| pawelduda wrote:
| Years ago, back when Androids had even worse animations, I
| would just speed them up to the maximum (via developer
| settings), or disable entirely. I got used to it and still
| do it today. Action feedback is faster, and I don't need my
| device to be visually awesome anyway.
| [deleted]
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| True of flagships, but even some low-midrange Android devices
| struggle to animate at even 60hz without frame drops. My late
| 2022 Android test device tablet that had an MSRP of about
| $300 when I bought it is like this, while an entry level iPad
| from 4 years ago running the latest iPadOS has no such
| problems.
|
| I haven't actually sat down and compared specs but I'm
| guessing this happens because Android devices tend to skimp
| hard on their GPUs at midrange and below.
| worthless-trash wrote:
| Must be the iphone browser being garbage level.
| Springtime wrote:
| Reminds me a bit of the early 00s (pre-smartphones) when some
| phone makers (I know Ericsson, can't remember if Nokia, too) had
| interactable web app versions of their phone UIs, complete with
| menus, settings, limited programs and surrounded by an image of
| the phone.
| thatloststudent wrote:
| It would be good to let android users and desktop users (even if
| only through changing user-agents) to browse the website.
|
| Even if I emulate the user-agent of an iPhone, it needs me to run
| it from the homescreen.
| throwaway744678 wrote:
| As said in a sibling comment, you can try it in a desktop
| browser (Chrome instructions below):
|
| - open developer tools, Toggle device toolbar, pick an iPhone
| dimension
|
| - Network > More network conditions ("wifi" icon) > User-agent
| > Custom > "iPhone Safari"
|
| - in Sources, set a breakpoint on the 1st line, refresh the
| page, when the debugger breaks, type
| "window.navigator.standalone = true" in the Console, and
| continue
| nttl wrote:
| oh my, they have a moon marketing video inside. This is
| embarrassing.
| Yeri wrote:
| for reference, because I don't see anyone else posting about
| this: https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-
| moo...
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