[HN Gopher] Thunderbird Is Thriving: Our 2022 Financial Report
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Thunderbird Is Thriving: Our 2022 Financial Report
Author : ktosobcy
Score : 74 points
Date : 2023-05-09 21:17 UTC (1 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (blog.thunderbird.net)
| waboremo wrote:
| An average of $21 is very impressive considering Thunderbird's
| position. I believe Wikimedia averages to about $15. Although I
| suppose its position is probably a large part of the comfort to
| donate more.
| neilv wrote:
| When you follow the link on that page to donate, select monthly
| recurring donation, and go to enter payment info, they then try
| to upsell you (with a checkbox checked by default) to "Cover
| transaction costs".
|
| (When you click the info icon: _" When you cover our transaction
| costs, you're covering both our processing and donation platform
| costs."_)
|
| It's easier for a non-profit charity to be pushy about fund-
| raising, because it's for a good cause. But that's not Mozilla.
| Facets of Mozilla are run more like a for-profit tech company,
| including layoffs of engineers while executives still demand high
| compensation. Pushy comes across differently.
|
| People want to tip the waiter, and would feel positively about
| that, at the same time they'd feel negatively about a restaurant
| owner trying to sneak a made-up fee onto the bill.
| robocat wrote:
| I suspect it is a "industry" trend in donations - I saw this
| yesterday when donating which I don't do often - I think they
| asked for $17.50 "transaction costs" on a $150 donation.
| ktosobcy wrote:
| (if only Firefox were getting funding directly...)
| Multicomp wrote:
| I was about to say, if this is _too_ successful, Thunderbird
| may find themselves with a target on their back, so Mozilla
| doesn't have to keep fielding questions from users about how
| they can fund Firefox directly instead of general donations.
|
| Only joking (I hope).
| yamtaddle wrote:
| Maybe Thunderbird will spin off a light, snappy little web
| browser with excellent quality-of-life features and a no-
| nonsense UI.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| throw7 wrote:
| Implement jmap then!
| fswd wrote:
| Please fix search. It's completely broken and unusable IMHO.
| j1elo wrote:
| I still receive the occasional email from this bug report,
| about being able to force excluding undesired noise from search
| results:
|
| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752844
|
| It's been open for, I don't know, 5 or 6 years? ( _checks the
| link... yup, actually 11_ )
|
| Another one I'm subscribed too, also related to search and
| discovery, is this one about using boolean operators:
|
| https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=297852
|
| I commented in a recent thread about GitHub at last being able
| to search for "WORD" and finding "-DWORD" in results, they took
| somewhere around 6 years since I had the need, so it was a
| welcome improvement... so maybe 2023 will be " _the year of
| search on the desktop_ " and Thunderbird will start improving
| its UX for searching emails? Who knows.
|
| Meanwhile, it's been my go-to email client for ages, despite
| this shortcoming which I had to learn to live with. The UI for
| searching past emails is very bad, so ironically I ended up
| changing habits to avoid having to search at all (not the ideal
| outcome of using a tool, but here we are)
| krastanov wrote:
| While we are complaining about search-related issues: I
| constantly end up with messages that I know I have received,
| that the search might or might not list, but that then can not
| be opened until I run "repair folder". Happens with multiple
| accounts with different providers.
|
| Still better than all alternatives I have tried though :D
| tapper wrote:
| They are working on a big UI over hall so this mite get fixt.
| you can test it out in the beta
| prox wrote:
| I use Postbox which basically runs on Thunderbird I believe
| but has some professional tooling : https://www.postbox-
| inc.com/
|
| I started using it when Thunderbird went under the previous
| time.
| krembo wrote:
| After reading your comment I went into their website and in
| 2 minutes I'm convinced that I'm not going to consider
| postbox at all. If they couldn't find a single female for
| their hero video, as a male I'm embarrassed, and I'm out.
| nitins_jakta wrote:
| Too bad there's no Linux port.
| JohnFen wrote:
| That would be fantastic. Thunderbird's search is indeed pretty
| much worthless.
| hu3 wrote:
| Do they use SQLite fulltext for search? If not, that would be
| an opportunity.
| wahnfrieden wrote:
| useless for CJK
| chrismeller wrote:
| I'm always amazed at the staff numbers for these kinds of
| projects. I'm glad things are going well for them, but that
| really seems like a high employee count for such a simple
| project.
| ipaddr wrote:
| From 15 to 24 this year for the entire company making best
| desktop email? That's a reasonable number that could be higher.
|
| Facebook had 80,000-90,000 employees before the purge
| piecerough wrote:
| Such a huge influx of capital with no mention of Generative AI
| features reading & writing emails for you.
|
| Impressive!
| JohnFen wrote:
| Heh, that didn't occur to me. Indeed, that's a cause for
| celebration!
|
| If they had included such goals, though, I'd be likely to stop
| donating money to them.
| flangola7 wrote:
| I'd be kind of okay with it if the code all ran locally.
| tapper wrote:
| Why does there have to be a Android and IOS ports of Thunderbird?
| Just stick to desktop. This happens all the time now.
| ktosobcy wrote:
| I guess they want to have "universal experience" and I don't
| blame them. Though, in case of Android they are going to
| rebrand k9-mail AFAIK.
| tapper wrote:
| May be it's just me, but I don't use email the same on my
| phone as I do desktop. I have 5 accounts on my desktop but
| just the one witch is my mane on my phone. Aps these days
| cant just stay good at one thing like ff being good on
| windows. They want to be good on Windows, Linux, BSD, Android
| so on and so on.
| ktosobcy wrote:
| I have same accounts in k9mail and use it to quickly filter
| mail - quite handy. Longer replies I do from the computer.
|
| As for FX - i do use it on macos and it works perfect for
| me.
| parl_match wrote:
| Why does there have to be a Thunderbird at all? The people
| building Thunderbird are clearly motivated to build FOSS/Libre
| communication tools for people.
|
| As more and more people move to using Android and ios as their
| primary computing environment, the existence of accessible
| FOSS/Libre tools such as Thunderbird becomes more important
| than ever.
|
| So, if they're interested or dedicated to building open tools
| for people to use, they can choose where to go, whether you
| like it or not. :)
|
| e: By the way, have you donated to Thunderbird? If you are able
| to pay for the software you use, especially when it seeks to be
| a force for good, then you should. Even $20 a year goes a long
| way for an organization like this.
| tapper wrote:
| Yes mate I do donate to TB, NVDA and OpenWrt. NVDA is
| different though as I cant use my computer with out it. It's
| a screen reader for blind people.
| waboremo wrote:
| An android port is within top 3 requests as per Mozilla
| Connect's Thunderbird section. Makes sense to me to work on
| such requests when you're operating off donations.
| tapper wrote:
| I didn't know about Mozilla Connect's. If this is so then let
| it be.
| waboremo wrote:
| Now you know and can get into voting for the suggestions
| you deem valuable!
|
| I don't know if there are any other public surfaces the
| Thunderbird team uses to figure out what to work on
| (outside of bug reports/telemetry and Mozilla Connect).
| JohnFen wrote:
| Thunderbird is my mailreader, and personally, I'd love to have
| an Android port of it. But if it never happens, that's OK too.
| Faaak wrote:
| Ceki, from K9 mail, is working for Mozilla now
| JohnFen wrote:
| Even better! K9 is what I use on my phone right now.
| mqus wrote:
| Isn't the android "port" just the rebranding of K9?
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31727376
| parl_match wrote:
| Well, they also continued development.
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