[HN Gopher] Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power ...
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Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving
Expansion Cards
Author : Pasorrijer
Score : 81 points
Date : 2023-05-09 20:04 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| 3by7 wrote:
| Still not taking orders from Portugal, Spain, Italy...? :(
| znpy wrote:
| Iirc they're supposed to start shipping to italy and spain this
| summer.
| purjolok wrote:
| I wonder if regulation is partly to blame:
|
| "Due to 27 different regulations in the EU alone (and more in
| other non-EU-countries), the administrative burden for
| international e-commerce is huge. Other than packaging
| regulations in many countries, WEEE regulations do typically
| not have any minimum thresholds or exceptions for SMEs.
| Therefore, WEEE registration and recycling fees are required in
| every country (separately - even within the EU) when shipping
| internationally. This also goes for startups and small stores
| which have just started selling electronics in Europe. (The
| laws even apply before the first sale is made.)"
|
| https://www.ecosistant.eu/en/weee-directive/
| leesalminen wrote:
| When GDPR went into effect, our company had ~5 clients in the
| EU (out of thousands). It was cheaper to drop those 5 clients
| than attempt to even read and comply with the regulation. We
| weren't even doing anything nefarious, it just wasn't worth
| our time to spend any brainpower thinking about it.
| Aachen wrote:
| Haven't heard of the 1995 data regulation I suppose then,
| or that it's mostly common sense to tell what you do with
| other people's personal information, but sure, drop out of
| the entire market over this.
|
| I think the parent commenter was complaining about things
| that aren't EU-wide. This was and you're saying it's still
| not good enough
| leesalminen wrote:
| > or that it's mostly common sense to tell what you do
| with other people's personal information
|
| We had a very restrictive privacy policy. We never shared
| or sold any information with third parties. We
| contractually stated this.
|
| But that's not enough for GDPR.
| robertlagrant wrote:
| Er, I like GDPR, and it was EU-wide, but each member
| still would have to write its own framework into its
| legal system to implement GDPR as it saw fit. Those
| frameworks are all different in their detail.
|
| E.g. Germany has the BDSG, and the UK has (had?) the DPA.
| OJFord wrote:
| Has. HMG wants UK GDPR to be _stronger_ than (yet also
| somehow 'compatible with') EU GDPR.
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| _> I wonder if regulation is partly to blame:_
|
| You mean the regulatory burden that the EU single market was
| made to fix but yet still exists?
| stonogo wrote:
| Why can't Framework do business like this where an even
| smaller vendor like MNT got through with their Reform laptop?
| tssk wrote:
| I was waiting over one year for shipping to Czech Republic.
| Finally I solved it by buying over Germany with service that
| created virtual address there and reshipped to Czech Republic.
|
| Edit: I understand that for business especially non-european EU
| rules must be complicated. But seems to me that for the EU
| customer it works great.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| Can't wait for the 12th gen beta firmware to finally be released,
| I've been holding off for the ~6 months its been in beta because
| it sounds like a failed install can brick 2 of your USB ports
| humanistbot wrote:
| I'm using this to yet again make my semi-annual plea for someone
| to please make a framework-compatible keyboard with a Thinkpad-
| style trackpoint. That's the only thing keeping me on Lenovo at
| this point, decades of ingrained muscle memory. The patent is
| expired (from 1997 and 1998) and it'd be huge!
| OJFord wrote:
| It's funny, I actually have a Thinkpad (my work machine), and
| never use that thing. Just never got into it. I like the
| positioning in theory I suppose, just haven't accustomed to its
| location or acceleration, and the trackpad isn't so far away as
| to make me.
|
| But what do you do at regular desktops/with a docked laptop?
| Mice bother me more, I've been looking into getting an Apple
| trackpad (to use with Linux) so it's a pad not a mouse but also
| so that I can put it in laptop-esque positioning, which seems
| more ergonomic to me, from primarily using the keyboard. (Not
| as much as a ThinkPad nipple of course, but as above I've never
| grown used to it, and I don't think any such keyboards exist
| anyway.)
| znpy wrote:
| As a fellow thinkpad user, i feel you.
|
| However, given the sad state of modern thinkpads (soldered ram,
| nothing's upgradeable etc etc) i think you (we?) should really
| reconsider if the trackpoint is worth the hassle.
|
| I'm certainly reconsidering... I'm waiting for amd and 16"
| version reviews.
| mkelly1993 wrote:
| I'm in the same boat. I was considering just buying a
| standalone Lenovo Thinkpad keyboard and using it with the
| Framework laptop, but kind of defeats the purpose of a laptop.
|
| Sadly, I estimate we're in such a tiny minority it simply makes
| no market sense for anyone to cater to us.
| pianoben wrote:
| Man this company is _killing_ it. Nice work, Framework team!
| loufe wrote:
| I would love to go the framework route, but they need to offer
| screen options. We are in the OLED age, why not offer the option?
| prophesi wrote:
| Some crazy person modified their Framework to use the Acer Spin
| 713 OLED display[0], but I really hope down the road there's an
| OLED option to purchase directly from their Marketplace. I'm
| betting the Framework 16 will have it, but there still hasn't
| been too much revealed about it.
|
| The speakers are also disappointing; you'll definitely want to
| experiment with different sound equalizers. On Fedora, I'm
| using this Advanced Auto Gain preset[1] with
| PipeWire/EasyEffects.
|
| [0] https://community.frame.work/t/framework-laptop-
| alternative-...
|
| [1] https://github.com/JackHack96/EasyEffects-Presets
| rubenv wrote:
| Really impressive that they provide instructions to solder the
| old cards up towards the new spec.
|
| Fully out of my range of talents, but does show they genuinely
| care about what they preach.
| qingcharles wrote:
| This really impressed me. Can you imagine Dell or Apple doing
| this?
| znpy wrote:
| Apple would have covered the screw up and blamed it on you,
| telling you it would be a great idea to buy a whole new
| laptop.
|
| And it they would release a new and fixed version they would
| announced as if they had created a new form of life.
| surteen wrote:
| No, but I also can't imagine Apple shipping something that
| needed a bodge wire soldered in to make it work well. They do
| a lot more power consumption engineering than most PC
| companies and they operate on such a large scale that they'd
| have found out about a battery drain like this much sooner
| and could fix it in the production process.
| OJFord wrote:
| Oh, so the first Apple laptop had zero bugs, and nothing
| has been fixed since?
| viraptor wrote:
| Yeah, it's not like they had any hardware defects like
| broken keyboards, power management issues, blank watch
| screens, recalled batteries, weirdly places antennas,
| etc... Oh wait they just ignore those until the problem
| gets large enough they get into news and need to start
| honouring the warranties.
| coolgoose wrote:
| The same Apple in which you had be careful which USB C port
| you used to not overheat?
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| It's the customer's fault for using the wrong USB port
| obviously /s
| rcarr wrote:
| I wonder if they'll ever make a tablet or tablet laptop hybrid
| moooo99 wrote:
| Framework is killing it and I absolutely love it. I have no need
| for a laptop right now, but if I ever buy another one, they'll
| definitely be at the top of my list. The only concern I have is
| with screen resolution. I'm using a MacBook and the screen
| resolution is an absolute blessing.
| schmorptron wrote:
| The framework does 2256 x 1504, the 13,3 inch macbook pro does
| 2560 x 1600. Doesn't seem like that large of a difference,
| especially at that screen size.
| screamin_jesus wrote:
| same here, I can't justify upgrading for a few more years, but
| definitely planning on framework for my next laptop, what
| they're doing is really cool
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