[HN Gopher] A mutation turned ants into parasites in one generation
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A mutation turned ants into parasites in one generation
Author : theafh
Score : 103 points
Date : 2023-05-08 14:50 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| GauntletWizard wrote:
| Mutations turn individual cells into parasites all the time; We
| call it "Cancer". With how many roles and profiles that our cells
| can adopt, I'm incredibly unsurprised that there's modes and
| forms that are purely parasitic,
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| I would imagine that in most large populations, there are a
| decent number of parasites. The simple answer is this - Everyone
| it a "parasite" sometimes. Everyone is sometimes sick, wounded,
| or simply unlucky and requiring help. It's a standard part of
| living. In brutal nature, the sick and injured simply die. In
| social species, though, the sick and injured are cared for, with
| other members of the group, tribe, society or species giving
|
| It's of little surprise, then, that the genes and regulation that
| control "Where to signal for help" can become corrupted or
| overactive". In large, complex species, you'll see the groups
| carrying out a balancing act. Packs of dogs can both nurse
| members back to health and exile unproductive members. But at the
| larger by count scale, it's harder to rack the individual, so I'm
| not surprised that the systems break down somewhat more.
| explaininjs wrote:
| These reproduce asexually, which makes the concept of speciation
| harder to pinpoint.
|
| Has science ever observed speciation via natural selection
| amongst a sexually reproducing cohort?
| _Nat_ wrote:
| > Has science ever observed speciation via natural selection
| amongst a sexually reproducing cohort?
|
| Theories of speciation do seem to lean toward asexuality.
|
| I mean, at an extreme, we can consider asexual-reproduction
| through cloning -- where genetic-mutations simply get cloned
| along different lines, allowing for increasingly divergent
| genetics.
|
| But even when we're talking about sexual-reproduction,
| [theories](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation#Modes )
| often focus on [bottlenecks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popu
| lation_bottleneck ) (e.g., an isolated population on an island)
| -- which, while nominally " _sexual_ " in the sense of
| individuals still engaging in sexual-reproduction, is asexual
| in the sense of the isolated-population disengaging from
| sexual-reproduction with other populations.
|
| Where, generally, greater population-level asexuality might be
| expected to lead to greater divergence.
| zyang wrote:
| They are scrum masters.
| dQw4w9WgXcQ wrote:
| Influencers, travel bloggers/vloggers, FatFIRE's.
| kazinator wrote:
| I'm skeptical of the claim that the inquiline behavior is
| something complex. The ant isn't literally aware of "I'm as
| social parasite and therefore do all these things". It's just
| behaving randomly.
|
| Arguably, the complex behavior is, in fact, _not_ laying eggs in
| other colonies, which the mutation breaks.
|
| Scientists should be skeptical of a elaborate hypotheses like "a
| new, complex behavior has emerged via a single mutation", and
| look for the simplest possible interpretations of what is
| observed. Occam's Razor and all that. For any hypothesis, you
| have to look for reasons and ways it might be false.
| SeanAnderson wrote:
| Kinda reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsbe1pD8ocE
| timschmidt wrote:
| This explains vampires.
| Borrible wrote:
| That is nothing.Wait until the stars are right.
|
| https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bcs3_b3VXSU
| Qem wrote:
| That is a great B-movie.
| mock-possum wrote:
| Really fascinating and terrifying how much your entire way of
| life can hinge on the expression of one bit of DNA like this. I
| wonder what this would look like if ants had free will and could
| choose how to live for themselves - would there be ants that
| would choose not to follow that deviant parasitic strategy, and
| instead try to integrate / conform?
| BulgarianIdiot wrote:
| You're asking questions which have more to do with our own
| higher cognition instincts and how our mind factors social
| behavior, rather than how an ants sees it. So maybe the
| examples should move towards how society deals with parasites
| who lack critical social features like empathy, morality,
| honesty. And if studies are correct, it seems we let them rise
| to the top.
| tedunangst wrote:
| It's hardly one bit. The "single mutation" was a complete
| chromosome duplication.
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