[HN Gopher] Sailing boat rescued by the Gotheborg
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Sailing boat rescued by the Gotheborg
Author : weinzierl
Score : 470 points
Date : 2023-05-06 06:44 UTC (16 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.gotheborg.se)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.gotheborg.se)
| sandworm101 wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6theborg_(ship)
|
| Fysa, they almost certainly completed the rescue using their twin
| 500hp diesels rather than sail power. One sailboat towing another
| creates a host of sail/wind/wave issues. Almost every large
| sailing vessel, including historic replicas, has diesel engines
| for those times that sail is just too awkward.
| kzrdude wrote:
| They need engines to safely navigate close to port, I would
| think
| SergeAx wrote:
| On an open water moving under sails is not very different from
| moving under engine, except sailig boat deals better with waves
| because od stabilising effect of wind pressure. I often see how
| people under power hoist a mainsail for improved stability.
| UniverseHacker wrote:
| I've towed under sail and it works fine if done properly...
| certainly it can be challenging and requires an experienced
| person at the helm of each boat, especially if going downwind
| or upwind.
|
| In this case I am sure you are right, and the size difference
| would make towing under sail dangerous. A sudden gust enough to
| accelerate the larger boat to above the smaller boats hull
| speed could pull the smaller boat underwater quickly.
| sandworm101 wrote:
| But in this case only one boat has a helm, the towed craft
| having lost its rudder.
|
| Most dangerous IMHO is a wave that slows the large round hull
| but will not slow the smaller wave-piercing hull, sending it
| slamming into the stern.
| Gwypaas wrote:
| You would never tow so close that it would become a risk
| unless manouverering the disabled vessel in close quarters,
| and then it usually is preferable to tie the vessels
| alongside each other.
|
| You can see the distances they chose in this particular
| case in the third image from their Instagram post.
|
| https://www.instagram.com/p/CryES46tgWl/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ
| 2...
| zhrvoj wrote:
| Sail boat towing other boats (similar loa) should attach
| towing line close to her center of effort. Think like
| attaching towing line to the mast foot. Not on the stern.
| Not an easy task to do. That's why many sailors just use
| any stern cleat. And the towed boat should attach towing
| line not to the bow, but also to the center of effort.
| Then both boats can manouver. I also lost rudder blade,
| on the 10m sailboat, in the middle of Adriatic sea, 2005,
| during regatta, in 35kt NE wind and 3m waves. Not
| possible to steer anyhow. Tryed to improvize rudder, but
| we almost lost a crewman. We were on 2nd reef already.
| SAR came. Since there was no rudder on my boat, attaching
| towing line to bow was only option. My towed sailboat
| course was changing +-30 degrees every few minutes, and
| finally towing line broke loose because of the forestay
| chaffing.
| roflyear wrote:
| Yeah and that's further than it looks. I doubt the
| smaller vessel would have enough line on board to reach
| that! It's really far. Of course with two boats easy to
| find enough line.
| Gwypaas wrote:
| For commercial vessels like Gotheborg they usually bring
| many hundreds of meters of mooring lines. Easy to get
| 20-30m runs on several lines when mooring.
| roflyear wrote:
| yeah makes sense. That is least a few hundred meters!
|
| Unless I were to start using halyards, I probably do not
| have more than 300' of line on my boat, which is really
| way more than I need for a smaller boat.
| Gwypaas wrote:
| Yep, and the Gotheborg have hand spun tarred hemp for all
| the running rigging so using that as a towline is a no
| go.
| UniverseHacker wrote:
| Towing a drogue with the smaller boat and using a long tow
| line will solve this
| miniwark wrote:
| The two images in the article, taken from the rescued boat.
| Show indeed than the sails where probably not used. One of the
| photos even show the sailors at work wile they seems to furl
| one of the the sail.
|
| Also, the road taken is interested. They could have go to one
| of the ports of the British islands, like St. Peter Port at
| Guernsey. But this would have been dangerous. This part of the
| English Chanel, is full of smalls rock islands, shoals and one
| of the most dangerous marine currents in the world : The
| Alderney Race (or Raz Blanchard in french).
| btilly wrote:
| The pictures from the towed boat verify this. The sails were
| reefed during the tow, which says that it wasn't wind that was
| supplying the power.
| enos-ape wrote:
| Furthermore you see clearly in the pictures taken from the
| small boat that the engine coolant system of the Goetheburg
| is working, spilling out water. Thus the main engines are in
| action.
| callamdelaney wrote:
| It's worth knowing that in a bind you can fashion a rudder out of
| a line and a bucket.
| StarlaAtNight wrote:
| Huh?
| callamdelaney wrote:
| Yes, the first line of the article. The rudder on the yacht
| fell off, so they were towed. In the middle of the pacific,
| the likelihood of a tow is low. In that case, you can fashion
| a rudder out of a line and a bucket.
| rigmarole wrote:
| The drag introduced by the bucket would help align your boat
| as a makeshift drogue. If you can find a way to rig it up so
| you can adjust the angle from port to starboard, you could
| very roughly steer.
| SergeAx wrote:
| Spinnaker boom and a head door, to be precise.
| renewiltord wrote:
| I have seen this same ship in so many countries. It's quite
| lovely and one day maybe I'll sail on it.
| mhb wrote:
| Rebuilding Tally Ho: https://youtu.be/4FhTu3aGM60
|
| _Description
|
| I'm on a mission to rebuild a 1910 English sailing yacht called
| Tally Ho. Designed by Albert Strange in 1909, she is a well-known
| and important historic vessel - but after many adventures she was
| left in a remote port in Oregon to rot for decades, despite some
| valiant attempts to rescue her. I bought her and moved her to the
| Olympic Peninsular earlier this year, and am now rebuilding her
| from the keel up. Eventually I hope to sail her back to the UK. _
| guynamedloren wrote:
| I was entranced by this project from the very first episode 5
| years ago! I followed along for maybe a year or so, and haven't
| caught any updates since.
|
| Happy to see the project (and channel) is still going strong.
| Such an incredible endeavor!
| jacquesm wrote:
| That whole series is absolutely incredible, when I saw the
| first episode I was sure he'd let it go because it was just too
| much work, basically a complete rebuild. But then he pulled the
| trigger on it and is making really amazing progress. One of the
| most impressive projects I've every followed.
| jiggywiggy wrote:
| Just imagine in the 1500's deciding to set sail to Asia. Hardly
| having a map. No communication means, food that's not easy to
| store, nothing more then a compass and if lucky a shitty map. If
| things go wrong no one is coming to help. Wild times.
|
| Was actually the reason they founded the Amsterdam stock market
| to spread & share the risk of the ships not returning.
|
| I know many bad things happen at well, but it's still a very
| interesting perspective.
| srj wrote:
| I can't imagine how the polynesians discovered Hawaii. Sailing
| thousands of miles in a small wooden boat and finding a speck
| of land in the pacific ocean.
| wpietri wrote:
| Polynesian navigational techniques are very interesting:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polynesian_navigation
| dehrmann wrote:
| To what extent were they good at navigating, and to what
| extent is there a survivorship bias?
| btilly wrote:
| This came up in a college course I took.
|
| Traditional Polynesian boats were operating alongside
| modern technology in the 1950s and 1969s. The Polynesian
| boats put up a better safety record!
|
| So yeah, they really were good at navigating. And to
| think, they did it lying on their back! The cues that
| they were using were from the swell, the stars, and
| birds. You feel the swell most clearly lying down. The
| other two are above you.
| kqr wrote:
| The power of oral tradition is nuts. It can preserve
| information for thousands of years.
| twic wrote:
| Speaking of Polynesian navigation being nuts:
| https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/testicular-navigation
| asdfman123 wrote:
| Apparently they could sink their double-hulled canoes into
| the water a little if storms hit so they didn't get the full
| brunt of the waves.
| cjrp wrote:
| Also why things like Lloyds of London started; to insure the
| risk of ships not returning.
| jiggywiggy wrote:
| Yeah seems to be one of the foundational pieces of modern
| finance
| simonh wrote:
| The stock exchange was about spreading risk too. You could
| raise equity from many small investors that individually
| are assuming a relatively low risk.
|
| So arguably this was the foundation of modern capitalism
| too, just in time for the development of capital intensive
| industry to take advantage of the same financial
| structures.
| twic wrote:
| This makes me think of this haunting 1919 painting of Elcano's
| return from the first circumnavigation of the earth in 1522:
|
| https://artsandculture.google.com/story/gAXBe3j1qN_gLQ
| jacquesm wrote:
| What an incredibly moving picture and story. Thank you.
| oh_sigh wrote:
| Those are the faces of men who wished they stayed in Brazil.
| vrglvrglvrgl wrote:
| [dead]
| ineedasername wrote:
| Not the worst consolation prize to have an experience like this &
| story to tell after undergoing such a dangerous and potentially
| life threatening ordeal.
| javajosh wrote:
| Wonderful story of comraderie on the high seas. It's one of the
| best things about cruising. Its as close to space travel as
| you're going to get, and you really stop taking humans for
| granted out there.
|
| I've been sailing my whole life, but never lost a rudder (thank
| God!). With dinghy racing (as opposed to cruising) it's common to
| learn how to steer without the rudder, using the trim of the
| sails and your weight in the boat. You can minimize rudder
| pressure on cruising sailboat too (again, useful for maximizing
| speed), but I'd be curious to know more about the limits of what
| you can do. There are probably some points of sail that work
| better without a rudder than others. (This is only even
| theoretically possible because the jib and main can rotate the
| boat, and the keel will still allow forward motion.)
|
| But yeah, theory aside, 'losing a mast or rudder' level
| catastrophes like this basically require rescue.
| Mavvie wrote:
| I've only ever done river sailing (including some intentional
| rudderless sailing), but I imagine in the open seas rudderless
| sailing isn't really feasible (at least in some conditions).
| Waves might make it impossible on their own.
| roflyear wrote:
| I've lost a rudder but on a small boat in a river. We made it
| back under our own efforts but was hairy.
| codetrotter wrote:
| Goated!
| prmoustache wrote:
| So they have sails on the Gotheborg, but aren't actually using
| them?
|
| Basically it is a motorized indiaman.
|
| Meh.
| bjelkeman-again wrote:
| I have sailed on the Oosterschelde (1918). One journey I was
| supposed to be on was cancelled as the diesel engine broke down
| and the insurance is not valid without a functional engine,
| even though we would sail 99% of the time.
|
| The Oosterschelde once rescued a single sailor from his boat
| that was sinking in the middle of the Atlantic (I wasn't on
| that trip).
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oosterschelde_(ship)
| gambiting wrote:
| Really? In the first picture you can clearly see people sitting
| on the masts, what are they there for if not for setting up the
| sails?
| hnarn wrote:
| As you suspect, the post you're replying to is wrong.
| [deleted]
| cjblomqvist wrote:
| They are definitely using them, a lot (probably the majority of
| time).
|
| (Source: I have a friend who have worked/sailed the ship
| multiple times)
| bratwurst3000 wrote:
| It was on the Mediterranean Sea. I am also a sailor and can
| testify that the Mediterranean Sea is the hardest to sail
| because of often changing wind direction. I assume that's why
| the didn't use sails while rescuing. I wouldn't either.
| pjmlp wrote:
| That is why lateen sails came to be.
|
| However they surely had their reasons for not using sails.
| wffurr wrote:
| They were in the English Channel. Brittany is in the north of
| France. The map in the post shows the Channel Islands.
|
| They used the engine for the rescue to minimize time and
| safely approach the small boat close enough to heave a line.
|
| Doing all that under sail, like the OP seems to think they
| should, wouldn't just be extremely difficult, it would be
| dangerous and profoundly irresponsible.
|
| Modern sailboats (as in since 1900) have auxiliary engines
| for a reason...
| olodus wrote:
| In the post they mention that Gotheborg had to adapt it's speed
| to the boat being towed, which probably limited the larger
| vessels sail-usage.
|
| As another poster here, I also have a friend who has been able
| to sail on Gotheborg once. The ship definitely have usable
| sails that are used most of the time. If I understand it
| correctly the motor is to some degree there as a modern safety
| requirement (and possibly it makes handling in port much
| easier, I would guess - don't know personally).
| ff_ wrote:
| There's also the thing that while modern keeled sailboats are
| able to sail well upwind, that is not the case for these
| classic vessels which have a much smaller/shallower keel, and
| have a lot of trouble upwind. So if the wind is not right and
| you're on a schedule then motoring is the only option.
| ianburrell wrote:
| The keel is a factor but bigger factor are the sails.
| Modern sailboats are fore-and-aft rigged which can sail
| closer to the wind. Gotheburg is square-rigged which can
| barely sail upwind.
|
| Square-rigged allowed for more sail. It also worked better
| for larger ships since had lots of little sails instead of
| one big one.
| niklasjansson wrote:
| We had planned to have our wedding performed on Gotheborg, it was
| all planned. We got a tour of the ship and discussed catering and
| so on.
|
| Suddenly a few months prior to the wedding they ghosted us, until
| they finally decided we couldn't hire it after all. Maybe a covid
| thing.
|
| Anyway, no bad feelings.
| matsemann wrote:
| At least it wasn't Wasa showing up..
|
| I've once sailed a smaller boat with a centerboard that didn't
| release. So similar to not having a rudder. Quite scary,
| everything else have a backup, but without that thing sticking
| out below the boat you're just drifting aimlessly around.
| nixass wrote:
| > At least it wasn't Wasa showing up..
|
| *Vasa
| erk__ wrote:
| Unless if it was a massive piece of crispbread.
|
| Do you have any idea of why the spelling was changed if you
| look in older texts a lot of the time Wasa was was used.
| checkyoursudo wrote:
| For a long time, the v and w were basically indistinct,
| until some decades ago. I don't remember exactly when.
| There might even be a law about it.
| hnarn wrote:
| There's no "law", but there was a lot of language reform
| in the 19th and 20th century. You can read more here:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_orthography
|
| > Usage of the letters <v> and <w> was, as long as the
| Fraktur typeface was used, guided by the typeface. In
| Fraktur, <w> was used as a rule to indicate the sound
| [v], except for in loanwords of Latin or Romance origin,
| when <v> was used. In SAOL 1874-1900, which were not
| printed in Fraktur, the number of words using <w> was
| very small, and primarily tied to names (clown,
| darwinism, schweizeri). (...) The attempt to remove <w>
| was further evident in the 1923 edition. Since 1950
| however, the use of <w> in loanwords has been more
| acceptable, as the number of loanwords has increased.
| Since 2006, <w> constitutes an individual letter of the
| alphabet in SAOL, sorted separately from <v> .
|
| One rationalization I think we can be pretty happy about
| today that the article mentions is that [f,fv,hv] which
| all produced the same sound were unified into simply "v"
| in schools in the early 1900s.
| checkyoursudo wrote:
| In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty
| recently. There are still people alive today who don't know
| which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding
| word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one
| day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion
| (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had
| older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference
| between v and (English-pronounced) w.
|
| >.<
| DavidVoid wrote:
| Differentiating between English J and Y is also difficult
| for Swedes (at least for me), because in Swedish, a J at
| the start of a word is typically pronounced with a Y-sound.
| I have to make a conscious effort to make sure I don't get
| the words _jet_ and _yet_ mixed up when I say them.
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| In Japan, "L" and "R" are often interchangeable. Their
| pronunciation is somewhere between.
|
| That's a cool story.
| jimmySixDOF wrote:
| In Arabic the hard "P" is often swapped with "B" and it's
| also the case that real pronunciation is somewhere
| between.
| dehrmann wrote:
| I think P and B are closer phonetically than L and R,
| though.
| goodcanadian wrote:
| Japanese actually uses a different phoneme that is sort
| of halfway between an "r" and an "l" sound. Apparently,
| depending on where you are in the country, it may sound
| closer to one or the other. I learned to say it by
| consciously paying attention to the position of my tongue
| in my mouth and literally putting my tongue halfway in
| between the "r" and "l" positions. I actually learned to
| make the sound before I learned to hear it (which I can
| now, but I couldn't when I first learned of it). Source:
| married to a person who can speak Japanese.
| dehrmann wrote:
| I used to work for a Swedish company with a system named
| "foo-ws," as in Foo Web Service. It's pronounced "foo vee
| ess." Because Swedish. IIRC, www is vee vee vee.
| DavidVoid wrote:
| > Because Swedish. IIRC, www is vee vee vee.
|
| I can confirm. I mean, the "proper" pronunciation is
| dubbel-vee-dubbel-vee-dubbel-vee, but we can't be
| bothered to say all that so we just say vee-vee-vee.
|
| I also think "double-v" is a better name for the letter w
| than "double-u" is.
| smcl wrote:
| I also encountered this with German folk speaking English
| and pronouncing "v" as "w" - "Let's meet up in the willage"
|
| If they'd pronounced it "Let's meet up in the fillage" that
| would make sense as they'd be using the German
| pronunciation of "v", but I couldn't wrap my head around
| "willage".
| Sharlin wrote:
| Can also be a case of hypercorrection.
| konschubert wrote:
| To German ears, the difference between v and w is really
| difficult to hear.
|
| I speak from experience...
| doctor_eval wrote:
| My wife is in charge of the wacuum cleaning.
|
| Edit to add: she's German, we laugh about it.
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Surely you meant your vive?
| yellowapple wrote:
| How often does your wacuum need cleaned?
| englishrookie wrote:
| What part of Germany are you from? Isn't there a clear
| distinction between Wolke (cloud) and Volk (people). I
| ask this as Dutch speaker (so, speaker of 'West
| Germanic') where there is a very clear distinction
| between volk and wolk (which presumably have the exact
| same meaning and origin as their German counterparts).
|
| Anecdotally, I once spoke with Russian students (this was
| long ago) who insisted that there was a Russian 'v/w'
| sound in the word Berenburg (the name of a distilled
| spirit). I couldn't hear it...
| vidarh wrote:
| Yes, but "volk" is IPA /folk/ while Wolke is /'volk@/.
| That's a major difference.
|
| But in this context, the "v" we're talking about is the
| English IPA /'v/ (e.g. valley /'vaeli/) vs. IPA /w/ (e.g.
| wool, IPA /wUl/) and that difference is far less
| noticeable.
| giantrobot wrote:
| Ah, yes. IPA. Now it's _super_ obvious how it sounds.
| vidarh wrote:
| I find IPA terribly confusing myself, but I think the
| starting sounds give a decent indication to people how
| the starting sound of Volk differs more from that of
| Wolke than that of "valley" from "wool", and it's that
| latter distinction that is hard for those of us used to
| languages where that distinction is near non-existent or
| one of the sounds is rare/not in use.
|
| For an English speaker, to put it differently, while the
| words as a whole are not pronounced exactly the same, the
| starting sound of German "Volk" is the same as for
| English "folk", while the starting sound of "Wolke" is
| the same as for "valley".
| aleph_minus_one wrote:
| > If they'd pronounced it "Let's meet up in the fillage"
| that would make sense as they'd be using the German
| pronunciation of "v", but I couldn't wrap my head around
| "willage".
|
| Depending on the word, in German a "v" is either
| pronounced like "f" or "w", e.g.
|
| [der] Vogel -> "Fogel"
|
| [die] Vase -> "Wase"
|
| A rule of thumb that I heard is that if a German word is
| of French origin and starts with V, the V is pronounced
| like W, otherwise like F.
| kzrdude wrote:
| Surely Vase (German) should be spoken as "Vahse" (english
| phonetic), not with the W sound.
|
| I guess you mean the German F and W! That way it's clear.
| lisper wrote:
| You are correct. In German, V is F and W is V. There is
| no W phoneme, except incidentally as in "mauer". I can't
| imagine a German saying "willage" except perhaps as a
| joke. In German "willage" would be spelled "uilage" and
| that would just be really uierd. (Source: I'm a native
| German speaker, though my family emigrated to the U.S.
| when I was five so I speak German like a five-year-old
| who hasn't had much opportunity to practice in a very
| long time.)
| [deleted]
| vidarh wrote:
| Similar in Norway. One of the most common pronunciation
| mistakes Norwegian makes when speaking English is failing
| to get the v/w distinction right. "Wally" instead of
| "valley" etc.. I've lived in London 23 years and spoken
| English for 38, and I still often need to consciously pay
| attention to that.
| joisig wrote:
| Similar in Icelandic. Most Icelanders when speaking English
| will use the Icelandic "v" sound for both v and w, it is
| somewhere in between.
| acadapter wrote:
| V and W were considered two graphic variants of the same
| letter until about two decades ago.
|
| The W sound was lost centuries ago but reintroduced with
| English words.
| pavlov wrote:
| Yes. In Finnish and Swedish, the letters V and W
| traditionally collated together.
|
| In other words, this is a correctly alphabetically
| ordered list: Wasa Virtanen
| Wiva Viwe
|
| The rule was apparently changed in 2006 in Sweden though
| (with Finland presumably tagging along).
|
| There's probably still plenty of SQL installations around
| using the old collation rules because tables were created
| before the 2006 change reached database software.
| doikor wrote:
| It kinda depends. In a list of names, dictionaries, etc V
| and W would be separately. This is to make finding the
| word you are looking for easier.
|
| Also in Finnish AAO are the end of alphabet.
|
| Also U and U would should be grouped with Y. O and O with
| O.
| pavlov wrote:
| _> "In a list of names, dictionaries, etc V and W would
| be separately. This is to make finding the word you are
| looking for easier."_
|
| If you look at older phone books and dictionaries until
| the 1990s at least, you'll find that V and W are
| combined.
|
| There are common surnames in Finland that retain the V/W
| spelling equivalence, like Virtanen and Wirtanen. When
| they are grouped together (as they traditionally were),
| it's easier to find a person by name because you don't
| need to know which way it's spelled.
| marginalia_nu wrote:
| It's also noteworthy that in Swedish, w is a double-v not
| a double-u.
| dadadad100 wrote:
| In French also [1]
|
| [1] https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/French/Alphabet
| Mistletoe wrote:
| Just realized how weird it is we call it double-u when it
| is a double-v. Language is weird.
| marginalia_nu wrote:
| The history of u, v, double-u and double-v is really
| convoluted. They're the same letter but also not quite.
| There are historical reasons that make sense as to why
| this is.
| hnarn wrote:
| For anyone who doesn't know about the Vasa, you can read more
| here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(ship)
|
| It was a Swedish warship that sank on her maiden voyage in 1628
| after making it less than a mile (1,3 km). It was salvaged in
| 1961 and is today one of Sweden's most famous tourist
| attractions.
| matsemann wrote:
| Think it's my favorite museum ever I have visited. Didn't
| think I would end up spending the whole day there when I was
| in Stockholm.
| ineedasername wrote:
| So while in Stockholm you found you grew to like some of it
| much more than expected...
|
| You may want to find a good therapist, this is classic
| Stockholm Syndrome.
| e40 wrote:
| These ships are a wonder of human achievement. While on vacation
| in Mexico I was able to spend the day on a boat of a similar age
| --I don't remember the details. It really connects one to the
| past.
| phit_ wrote:
| its a replica that was only build in 2005
| https://www.gotheborg.se/about-gotheborg/about-the-ship/
| DougN7 wrote:
| And they let complete newbies (like me) sign on as crew for a
| week or two. It's the adventure of a life time to work on
| board such an accurate replica. It was hand built - even the
| nails and ropes were hand built, using tools and techniques
| from the time period, which if I recall correctly took
| something like 10 years to research since much of that
| knowledge had been lost.
| tempodox wrote:
| Wow, that ship is gorgeous.
| bombcar wrote:
| The Star of India is set to set sail in November; perhaps it can
| do something similar.
|
| https://sdmaritime.org/visit/the-ships/star-of-india/
| erk__ wrote:
| The Danish training ship Georg Stage is out a trip at the
| moment, I think they are on their way to the Faroe Islands.
|
| https://georgstage.dk/english/
| FartyMcFarter wrote:
| I know nothing about sailing so this is probably wrong, but I was
| slightly surprised at the fact that the people on board the small
| boat didn't get rescued onto the Gotheborg.
|
| Given the concerns in the article about the size difference
| possibly causing problems, wouldn't that have been safer?
| hnarn wrote:
| I don't think it's specific to sailing. If you're towing a car,
| would you let the driver of that car get in your back seat?
|
| Someone needs to be in control of the vehicle being towed, in
| case you need to break (if possible), change course (if
| possible), disconnect the tow (if possible), etc.
| _ph_ wrote:
| I don't know what were the reasons in that situation, but
| getting the two sailors safe from an uncontrolled vessle is not
| an easiy task. At least you would have the smaller vessle hit
| the larger. Depends of course on the weather conditions at the
| time. Sending over a line is much easier. Also, this would have
| meant abandoning the ship. Unless there is a present danger, it
| is easiest to tow the boat with the crew to the harbor.
| ff_ wrote:
| Sailor here - an 8 meters boat is in that awkward spot where
| it's big/heavy enough that it can do damage if incontrollably
| drifting against something (e.g. the wooden vessel itself) but
| light enough that you can literally just push it with the
| strength of two people if that happens.
|
| So I'd argue it's more safe to have some crew on it in case you
| need to be hands-on, and just talk over radio while being
| towed.
| sandworm101 wrote:
| Do not attempt to push an 8-meter vessel by hand while at
| sea. Even a smallish 1-foot wave, when pushing against an
| 8-meter hull, can generate thousands of pound of force.
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| somat wrote:
| I suspect they were not in immediate danger, the small boats
| rudder was inoperative, so they had little to no steering
| control. I suspect mainly poising a navigation hazard for other
| boats in the area. What they needed, and got was a tow.
|
| The funny thing is, they were grateful for the assistants of
| the Gotheborg, but a bit incredulous that such a large ship
| would go out of it's way to help them. (they were also worried
| about the speed at first before learning it was a sailing ship_
| Jolter wrote:
| I think they were worried about speed because it was a large
| ship, regardless of propulsion method. I believe that the
| longer a sailing ship is, the faster it can sail. This
| affects the construction/dimensioning. So this small boat
| would have a hull that can withstand the seas at a certain
| speed, but might have trouble if towed faster. And they
| worried that a large sailboat, built to go quite a bit
| faster, might accidentally go too fast.
| ineedasername wrote:
| >such a large ship
|
| It wasn't quite the _size_ that made it notable ;)
| SapporoChris wrote:
| The towing was a fairly simple procedure and they could
| maintain a safe distance. Transporting crew between ships on
| the high sea would be a dangerous and complex task. They might
| not even have the equipment for it.
| ineedasername wrote:
| I have a question. this is going to be a really uninformed
| question but keep in mind my knowledge of boat transfers come
| from movies and I don't consider Pirates of the Caribbean
| authoritative on the topic.
|
| What makes it so difficult, and what sort of special
| equipment is required?
|
| I know, I know, cargo nets on the side of the ship are not
| going to be sufficient, easy as it looks in pop
| entertainment, I just don't know why.
| bombcar wrote:
| Big boat very big. Small boat small.
|
| Need to get close enough that someone can go between
| without a wave throwing the big one into the small one.
|
| Which is why "touch and go" between ships of equal size was
| considered a test of skill and a bit risky, normally they'd
| drop a rowboat or dingy. A tiny boat can't really be
| crushed as it just bumps out of the way.
| amelius wrote:
| Another advantage: you get to keep the boat ;)
| startuprabbit wrote:
| Wow that's awesome
| justinclift wrote:
| > The next day, as we approached the French coast, we radioed for
| another boat to help us enter the port, but no one responded
| positively.
|
| Wonder if that's a standard (or common) response, and why... ?
| michaelt wrote:
| Presumably the norms for rendering aid are different when the
| ship is no longer in distress, and has been towed for two days.
| bombcar wrote:
| I also assume the sailors felt they'd taken enough of the
| Gotheborg's time and were willing to pay for a launch to
| bring their ship in for repair (also presumably it would be
| quite hard for a large sailboat to drag a small one literally
| to port).
| timonoko wrote:
| Swedes are cheating as they always do. This sailship has a motor
| in it. https://photos.app.goo.gl/mXX4YiQ3u455YNni8
| belorn wrote:
| The original method is to use many smaller ships to guide and
| drag the ship to where it need to be whenever the sails are not
| suitable (that and wait for better weather conditions). If they
| had used this original method, the sailing boat would had been
| rescued by those ships.
| jabl wrote:
| If they'd have used the "original" method, they wouldn't have
| any radio onboard either, so would never have gotten info
| about the sailing boat in distress. :)
| timonoko wrote:
| Yes. But what is the point of this ship if not fully restore
| the original look-and-feel of the era.
|
| Satellite antenna in the mizzen mast is also an abomination.
| They should have dirty drawings from France instead of
| Pornhub.
| yetanotherloser wrote:
| The original didn't have to share shipping lanes with huge
| modern cargo ships that often rely on their radar to go
| quite fast in bad visibility. Faced with adding
| anachronistic radar vs. dying from hazards that the
| original ship didn't have to face, most sailors pick the
| radar.
|
| She's also big enough to be legally obliged to carry radar
| under SOLAS V regulations.
| WastingMyTime89 wrote:
| That's a nav radar not a satellite antenna. It would be
| down right irresponsible (and probably illegal - I'm not
| really good with law concerning civilian ship) to sail a
| ship this size without one.
|
| Restoration is good but there is no reason to put the crew
| in unnecessary danger.
| Gwypaas wrote:
| The white blob on the mizzen mast is a satellite antenna.
| To have the vessel sail in A3 areas the common choice is
| to have satellite communication, and it is used for their
| social media and outreach.
|
| The navigation radars is actually quite well hidden
| sitting on the platform of the foremast.
|
| There is more information about the emergency
| communication requirements on commercial vessels for
| different areas of the planet here:
|
| https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gmdss-areas-and-search-and-
| rescu...
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Maritime_Distress_an
| d_S...
| [deleted]
| olodus wrote:
| Good bait my guy. You have a wonderful day now.
| crossroadsguy wrote:
| > This moment was very strange, and we wondered if we were
| dreaming. Where were we? What time period was it?
|
| If only the rescue crew dressed the part they could have believed
| they somehow managed to time travel.
| ineedasername wrote:
| There a literally books written with nearly that exact premise
| for the plot
| ajkjk wrote:
| Know the names?
| moffkalast wrote:
| Tbf, the average Gotheborg deckhand looks like this so it's not
| far off https://i.imgur.com/Dc7QN5s.png
| Mistletoe wrote:
| https://gotheborg.com/project/food.shtml
|
| I found this post about what sailors ate on the original ship
| fascinating.
| ytdytvhxgydvhh wrote:
| Would one receive a bill in a situation like this? To cover the
| cost of lost time and/or extra diesel burned? Or is it purely out
| of the goodness of the hearts of the management of the towing
| vessel?
| callamdelaney wrote:
| Not to my knowledge, and certainly not for boats like the small
| yacht being towed here. The idea is that if the it happened to
| you someone else would help.
| notahacker wrote:
| And sometimes what goes around comes around happens quicker
| than expected!
|
| Different scale, different waterways, but a couple of weeks
| after spending half an hour dragging a boat off a fallen
| tree, I got a tow off a trip boat full of people eating
| Christmas dinner after losing power in the middle of the
| Thames...
| fmeyer wrote:
| Oh, it's going to be open for visiting in Hamburg this month.
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