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Modern Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish people found to have
Pictish ancestry
Author : wglb
Score : 38 points
Date : 2023-05-06 04:42 UTC (18 hours ago)
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| truthexposed wrote:
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| GauntletWizard wrote:
| I think what's surprising to me is all the people who seem to
| think that the chief method of conquest is replacement, when it's
| long been established that it's indoctrination. The Romans didn't
| kill off native peoples - they subjugated them, taxed them, and
| forced them to comply with some Roman norms. Their greater
| success though, was getting the people to want to be Roman.
|
| And who wouldn't want to be Roman when the simple words "Civis
| romanus sum" were an effective passport through an empire that
| stretched months of travel? When it opened commercial
| opportunities with a large and relatively effective bureaucracy?
| A nation that built roads and exported consumer goods, spices and
| wines and finery, like none had ever before it? Most of Europe is
| still interconnected by the roads the Romans paved. They've been
| repaved with macadam, but the lines are the same.
|
| People imitated the Romans because they were powerful. They
| formed alliances and married their daughters off to Romans who
| would keep them in relative luxury. The conquest was equally
| about minds as of arms.
|
| This has been true in all conquests. Some have been more brutal
| about instilling their culture than the Romans, and to that end,
| they were more effective at suppressing or destroying the
| previous culture. But ultimately, it is the conquered people
| taking on the aspects of their conqueror more than genocide and
| recolonization that has succeeded in spreading cultures
| throughout history.
| Kamq wrote:
| > The Romans didn't kill off native peoples - they subjugated
| them, taxed them, and forced them to comply with some Roman
| norms.
|
| That's painting with a bit of a broad brush. The Romans had no
| problems killing off large swaths of the population.
|
| Depopulation was a tactic that was absolutely on the table. For
| example, during the conquest of Gaul, ~1/3 of the population
| was killed and another ~1/3 were sold off as slaves. The
| tactics you're talking about were used on the remaining 1/3.
|
| Those tactics, admittedly, work quite well when you only have
| to deal with the friendliest 1/3 of a population.
| thaumasiotes wrote:
| > I think what's surprising to me is all the people who seem to
| think that the chief method of conquest is replacement, when
| it's long been established that it's indoctrination.
|
| > This has been true in all conquests.
|
| You lost it at the end there. Compare the United States.
|
| Some conquests are a small group installing themselves at the
| top of society. Others are a large group installing themselves
| at all levels.
| bbg2401 wrote:
| Shouldn't the title read "Modern Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish
| and _English_ people found to have Pictish ancestry "?
| naikrovek wrote:
| well, I'm Scottish, but I was born in America, so shouldn't it
| also say _American_? /s
|
| omission from the title does not mean that the unmentioned
| nation has zero Pictish ancestry.
| alistairSH wrote:
| The opening of the article explicitly lists "Scotland, Wales,
| North Ireland and Northumbria" despite leaving Northumbria
| (which resides mostly in northern England) out of the title.
| [deleted]
| naikrovek wrote:
| this stuff is so fascinating.
|
| I hope that after I die I go into spectator mode, but with the
| added ability to move myself through time so I can see all kinds
| of stuff like this play out.
|
| There are so many historical questions that I want better answers
| to.
|
| The Picts are one of those historical questions, for me.
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