[HN Gopher] Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make...
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Do watching skateboarding tricks frame by frame make you progress
faster?
Author : benoit_cotte
Score : 14 points
Date : 2023-05-05 11:34 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| eternityforest wrote:
| I've always been curious about what it's like for other people to
| watch something like this.
|
| Can you watch a dance or a trick or something and feel what it
| would be like to do it yourself? Do you see this stuff in your
| head as a sequence of frames? Or a movie? Or do you somehow have
| access to the whole thing at once like you're thinking in 4
| dimensions?
|
| When I watch any kind of instructional video for even something
| very simple it looks like a total blur, one of those "Wow that's
| impressive, I can't even tell what happened" things, and I
| usually don't see or feel anything in my head at all, I'm just
| saying "Ok he moves his arm up at the same time as his foot goes
| back away from the camera towards the hand with the stick" and
| trying (And failing) to copy things one piece at a time.
| benoit_cotte wrote:
| That's an interesting point. It is highly likely for someone
| who does not skate that you would not feel anything much that
| some sort of satisfaction (if anything at all). This is all the
| more intriguing that for skaters though, it lights up so many
| different things in your body and brain, that you could
| literally stay watching a simple trick forever. It is probably
| true for a lot of sports with some artistic vibes. Vibrating to
| the perfect moment, the sound, the touch, all happening at
| speed.
| TechBro8615 wrote:
| This is how I learned to swing a baseball bat. I remember my
| dad bought some VHS tapes with a swing coach who broke it down
| into stages "one, two and three." And then he showed the slow
| motion swings of major leaguers and pointed to where the three
| stages were. Then he gave a drill for each step. And you were
| supposed to practice each step in isolation, then put them all
| together.
|
| I remember thinking it was ridiculous, but it was somewhat
| effective (I was never a great hitter, but I think that was due
| more to the lack of a batting cage in my backyard than it was
| to the poor teaching skills of some mustached guy from the
| 70s). It's "good enough" for beginning instruction because it
| gives you a way to break a complex process into smaller
| discrete steps that you can practice in isolation. Are
| professionals thinking about their swing in three parts? No,
| definitely not, but you've got to start somewhere...
|
| My piano teacher had a similar way of teaching, breaking each
| song into small pieces and making me practice a few notes
| dozens of times, then gradually growing the size of the pieces,
| and then putting them all together. He was an expert, so you
| could put a sheet of music in front of him and he'd play the
| whole thing on the first try. But I couldn't do that, so I
| needed to learn step by step.
|
| There is something to be said for this technique, at least
| until you become an expert at something, to the point that it's
| second nature to swing the bat or play a full sheet of music.
| At that point you probably have more effective ways of teaching
| yourself. But you've got to start somewhere.
| wkdneidbwf wrote:
| a lot of tricks have subtle bits around foot placement, how and
| when the board is flicked, etc. even the same trick can be done
| in different styles.
|
| someone learning from this is paying attention to detail on
| body and foot positioning that someone who doesn't skate
| wouldn't see.
| im3w1l wrote:
| I expected an article and was disapponted it was not.
| benoit_cotte wrote:
| Let me try this hardflip a hundred times more. When I land it
| for good, an article it will be. You shall not be disappointed
| once again.
| nullsense wrote:
| There was that paper recently where they built a model of tennis
| players by feeding it recorded tennis matches. I wonder if you
| could just do the same with skateboarding and use that to figure
| out the possible parameters under which a trick succeeds or
| fails, and then also use it to be able to evaluate your own
| performance and tell you how far off you are and what you need to
| do different?
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