[HN Gopher] Yurt Calculator
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Yurt Calculator
Author : raptorraver
Score : 137 points
Date : 2023-05-01 18:18 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (simplydifferently.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (simplydifferently.org)
| michaelsmanley wrote:
| I'm so glad there are still sites like this.
| [deleted]
| culi wrote:
| From the Wikipedia page:
|
| > Yurts take between 30 minutes and 3 hours to set up or take
| down, and are generally used by between five and 15 people.
| mshockwave wrote:
| I wonder if there is any military application of using Yurts-
| alike tents, considering them being more resilient to extreme
| weather yet easy to set up and take down.
| cypherpunks01 wrote:
| See also, Desert Domes for their highly useful Dome Calculators
| and related dome formulas, material & assembly tips, and other
| resources for all your geodesic dome needs:
|
| http://www.desertdomes.com/domecalc.html
| teddyh wrote:
| From that link:
|
| > _Go see Benny and the elves for some Electroluminescent wire
| to decorate your dome!_
|
| What. Let's see the Photo Galleries. Ah, eight groups of photos
| - five from Burning Man and three from Mardi Gras. I see.
| mikepurvis wrote:
| Yeah that's more glamping than an earnest discussion about
| long term occupancy considerations.
| einpoklum wrote:
| So, what keeps the Yurt from planar movement? Is it anchored via
| stakes somehow?
| capableweb wrote:
| From the website:
|
| > While living in the yurt experienced 2-3 strong storms, at my
| site up to 120km/h I would estimate. I'm kind of a slow learner
| at first as I had to fix and fasten the yurt while the storm
| was underway as I often hoped the ropes I used were sufficient,
| and experienced they were not.
|
| > It's worth noticing, the storms affects the roof mostly, no
| impact to the wall as I noticed, me using 90deg lattice angle
| and bamboo, with stretching the rain wall cover below the floor
| and use one rope on that height, almost on the ground, all
| around to fasten it (as seen on a photo above already). Some
| people put some small laths on the floor to fixate the lattice
| wall on the floor, or screw the door frame on the floor, both
| which I didn't do.
|
| https://simplydifferently.org/Yurt_Notes?page=6#Storm%20Prep...
|
| Seems to be fastened somehow, but it's not specified how.
| culi wrote:
| > up to 120km/h I would estimate
|
| That's the bottom end of the windspeed of an F1 (weakest
| grade) tornado.
|
| I have no doubt the architecture of choice of people's who
| lived in the steppe regions of Central Asia, a place where
| extreme winds are pretty common, would obviously need to be
| able to handle these winds but it still feels hard to believe
| that an amateur yurt builder could get one able to withstand
| a weak tornado on their first build...
| pugworthy wrote:
| For Hexayurts (https://www.appropedia.org/Hexayurt) one can
| create a rope halo that goes around the top of the roof, with a
| series of anchor ropes going down to the ground. Very effective
| at keeping foam structures well anchored at Burning Man, where
| the wind can be quite fierce.
| extrememacaroni wrote:
| Legends say Genghis Khan's horses were trained to be so fast
| because they were also used to transport bytes to and from such
| sites, to calculate their yurts.
| spiznnx wrote:
| This site could be an excel spreadsheet running on a laptop in
| a saddle bag!
| [deleted]
| meebob wrote:
| This website fills me with nostalgia! I used it many years ago to
| make a tiny 8ft yurt, which was a fun little project. Putting up
| a yurt is really satisfying- the way the lattice walls flex is
| very cool, and seeing the way tension works across the structure
| is fun.
| asimpleusecase wrote:
| I lived in Mongolia for a year and got to stay a couple days in
| real yurts.
|
| The round wall directs wind around the structure and local people
| hang a heavy weight from the center of the yurt to give it
| resistance to the lifting force of the wind.
|
| They are cool in the summer with the bottom edge of canvas rolled
| up to allow airflow. ( but also mosquitoes)and warm in the winter
| when a layer of thick wool felt is layered over the whole
| structure and covered with canvas. In the centre is a stove that
| can burn wood or dried animal dung.
|
| They are very spacious.
|
| You can tell the time by the sun shadow on the floor via the
| smoke hole in the centre.
|
| BTW if you enter a yurt and in Mongolia don't step on the door
| still it is rude.
|
| If you sleep over don't be shocked when members of the family
| take off clothes to change. Modesty is the responsibility of the
| viewer.
| tantalor wrote:
| What's a door still?
| fsckboy wrote:
| a door sill is the threshold of the door (like windowsill),
| but I'm not sure he meant it like that at all
| motrm wrote:
| I think he could indeed be right, I was curious about that
| too and came across this page[0] about Mongolian gers (aka
| yurt) which includes the following etiquette guidelines:
|
| - When approaching a Mongolian ger it is customary to say,
| "Nokhoigo Khorioroi" which means "Hold the dog," even if
| you don't see a dog. This is because guard dogs are common
| and a dog may be aggressive towards visitors, but it in
| general alerts the occupants to your presence so they can
| come out and greet you.
|
| - Never knock on a ger door. It is considered rude. You
| simply enter.
|
| - When entering a Mongolian ger, step with your right foot
| first and never stand on the threshold. The threshold is
| said to be the "neck" of the ger and standing on it
| tantamount to "strangling" the home.
|
| - Mongolians don't chat to each other over the threshold.
| Step in rather than asking things through the doorway.
|
| - To greet your hosts say, "Sain bain uu?" (pronounced
| "Sey-Ben-Oo") - meaning "how do you do?" If you are
| entering for the second, third, fourth time, you can just
| say "Sen-ooo", meaning "Hi!".
|
| Today we both learned :)
|
| [0] https://notesofnomads.com/mongolian-
| gers/#Ger_etiquette_The_...
| world2vec wrote:
| >"Modesty is the responsibility of the viewer."
|
| This reminds me of what my father - from a very rural, poor,
| small community - told about my grandparents and his
| upbringing. Tiny house, not many bedrooms but many kids (in the
| end 10 children), so it was common for many of the youngest
| ones to sleep in the same bed as my grandparents. And yet they
| still conceived new babies (they're all 2 or 3 years apart from
| each other)! Sounds a bit crazy in these modern times.
| jcadam wrote:
| Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be better to buy some cheap
| land and throw up a yurt (or maybe a Quonset hut if you're more
| fancy), rather than take on a 30-year mortgage.
| Kalium wrote:
| You'll find it is!
|
| That said, many might face some challenges in doing so in a
| place they want to live. It's non-trivial to find a cheap piece
| of livable land in a city. In a more rural areas, you can
| expect some possible complications in things like water,
| electricity, and internet access.
| nine_k wrote:
| Water: dig a well, buy a kettle.
|
| Electricity: solar panels + batteries. You will need a lot of
| them if you want to run a small fridge. Forget about a gaming
| desktop.
|
| Internet access: LTE via a tall antenna if you're lucky,
| Starlink otherwise. Add more solar panels.
|
| You'll have to limit your diet mostly to foods that store
| well without a fridge. A tiny fridge can still fit the power
| budget.
|
| I'd say that sewage and trash disposal are going to be bigger
| problems. Having a shower, too, especially in winter.
| TedDoesntTalk wrote:
| > dig a well, buy a kettle
|
| Digging a well can end up costing more than the price of
| the land if you have to dig multiple times to find water
| HideousKojima wrote:
| Sewage is easy, get a septic tank
| culi wrote:
| Even easier than that... just don't treat it as "sewage".
| In Japan all the way up into the 20th century landlords
| often claimed a right to their residents "night soil". In
| pretty much everywhere except (parts of) Europe, human
| manure was seen as a very valuable resource.
|
| Start a compost pile and get the correct Carbon:Nitrogen
| ratio (~24:1). Using the Berkeley method it can reach
| heats of up to 200degF (93degC) within a week. You'd be
| surprised how quickly something like human feces can
| neutralized in conditions like these. The recommended
| wait time before direct handling is usually about 2
| months but this is mostly because it's hard to be sure
| you've got the right ratios, temperatures, etc.
|
| Regardless, anyone trying an "offgrid" life would be wise
| to stop pouring effort into throwing away one of the most
| valuable resources humans produce
| carapace wrote:
| I've done experiments (with items from the catbox, not my
| own) with vermi-composting night soil. A healthy colony
| of _E. foetidia_ with vanish a turd in less than an hour
| or so.
| [deleted]
| nine_k wrote:
| One issue: bathroom.
|
| Not an actual bathtub, of course, but at least a shower and a
| toilet.
| vectorxheng wrote:
| You can actually get land for like under $200 here:
| https://minute.land/
|
| They basically divide up large parcels to get the price down
| significantly.
| ytdytvhxgydvhh wrote:
| Just to be clear, they aren't actually selling land, they're
| selling access to land.
|
| https://minute.land/about
| jollyllama wrote:
| The problem is finding a place where they won't nail you with
| building codes, zoning or other ordinances, etc.
| iancmceachern wrote:
| Especially in California
| Scoundreller wrote:
| Quite often the places with cheap land are also the ones that
| don't have building codes.
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| They also lack various things highly correlated with
| presence of building codes, such us road access,
| electricity, running water, clean water, _water_ , food
| variety, healthcare, ER/ambulance, fire
| protection/prevention, crime protection/prevention,
| schooling, after-school activities, nightlife, pool for
| potential mates, (edit: was supposed to be "pool _of_
| potential mates ", but in this context both work), and in
| general, people.
| Scoundreller wrote:
| I mean, not paying for/depending on/having half of those
| networks sounds pretty awesome
|
| I'd add lack of internet to your list. Much harder (but
| not impossible) to provide yourself.
| jollyllama wrote:
| >much harder to provide
|
| That's the real problem. HN forgets not everyone is
| remote.
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| The "provide" is easy these days, apparently, thanks to
| Starlink.
|
| The "yourself" bit is a tricky bit, as where it comes to
| utilities, you can sort of DIY your own supply of
| everything else, but Internet is as much a social
| construct as it is technical.
| DANmode wrote:
| Have they resolved their scaling issues that folks here
| have been raising red flags about?
| TeMPOraL wrote:
| Absolutely! Unfortunately, they are all mutually
| dependent and mutually reinforcing, so you can't opt out
| of some without opting out of the rest.
| microtherion wrote:
| Cf "A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear":
| https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/matthew-
| hongoltz-he...
| jcadam wrote:
| Up here in Alaska, land can be had _very_ cheap (but
| construction costs are high), particularly if you don 't
| care to be on the road system.
| diversionfactor wrote:
| Where can I find this cheap land? When I check online
| zillow, or via Alaskan state land auctions, the price of
| building lots even without road access in the deep
| interior is more than that of a suburb in Texas!
| mbrameld wrote:
| https://dnr.alaska.gov/mlw/landsales/parcels/details/470-
| 143... seems pretty cheap to me at about $4,200 per acre.
| A quick search of building lots in San Marcos, TX as an
| example shows prices are around $200,000 per acre, or
| about 50 times higher than the land in Alaska:
| https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/San-
| Marcos...
|
| Can you share the lots you were looking at?
| diversionfactor wrote:
| San Marcos is one of the most overpriced and fastest
| growing markets in Texas, right next to Austin, priced to
| the stratosphere since the Californians moved in. Austin
| is my home town, but I couldn't afford to live in San
| Marcos.
|
| For typical Texas land priced around the same per acre as
| Alaskan land:
|
| https://www.land.com/property/Fox-Hunters-Club-Rd-Bon-
| Wier-T...
|
| $19,708 - 3.79 acres On a public road, with electricity
| (water you'd need a well). Remote East Texas, and by
| remote I mean you're 20 min drive from the nearest city
| (Kirbyville with some gas, food, small department stores)
| and 40 min drive from the nearest Walmart SuperCenter
| (the real sign of civilization in rural America).
|
| Or if you prefer something closer to a city, the desert
| just outside Del Rio, you can see:
|
| https://www.land.com/property/Windmill-Rd-Del-Rio-
| Texas-7884...
|
| $15,997 - 2.05 acres On a public road, I see electricity
| nearby but you'd have to run it to your land ($15k+
| probably), or just do solar since there's plenty of sun
| there. Well water and septic. Bordering the Rough Canyon
| national recreation area and Lake Amistad, if you like
| boating and hiking (watch out for rattlesnakes). I'd say
| a "suburb" of Del Rio, an apartment building and single
| family homes 7 min drive away as well as a cafe. The
| nearest Walmart Supercenter is 30 min drive away in Del
| Rio, as well as the city of Del Rio and the general
| aviation airport is by the Walmart, if you wanted to fly
| to San Antonio or Monterrey.
|
| Now you might be saying, I want true suburban land, like
| surrounded by other single family homes, with water
| hookups and neighbors, and commuting distance to a major
| city. That's going to cost you more - but not much more,
| especially given it's already got all utilities:
|
| https://www.land.com/property/1631-Old-Henry-Court-
| Angleton-...
|
| $33,000 - 1 acres About 15 minutes drive from the nearest
| Walmart Supercenter in Angleton, as well as an HEB (gotta
| have that HEB), and 40 min commute to Pearland where you
| could actually find city jobs, or 60 min if you want to
| go all the way to downtown Houston (I used to have a
| manager who did just this drive every day for 10+ years,
| so she could live on a working horse farm).
|
| That's where my disconnect is for Alaskan land prices. I
| can only surmise it's because the federal and state
| government own like 99%+ of the land in Alaska and only
| sell a very small amount at any time to rigidly control
| the prices and development. Like an Uber-California in
| that way.
| AngryData wrote:
| $4,200 per acre seems absurdly expensive to me for land
| out that deep in the boonies without electricity or
| roads. For $4,200 an acre I can buy rural land around me
| with road access, guaranteed electrical access, and
| within the last 2 and upcoming 5 years, fiber connections
| (just got mine 2 weeks ago).
| vectorxheng wrote:
| the best place is minute land (https://minute.land/),
| they subdivide cheap land and get the price down really
| low, like $200 low
| thfuran wrote:
| Ah, to get away from civilization into pristine nature,
| 12 feet away from the next guy doing the same.
| mhb wrote:
| A cursory look reveals that there is acreage in Maine for
| less than $2K/acre.
|
| https://www.landwatch.com/maine-land-for-sale
| vectorxheng wrote:
| you can also get land for under $200 at Minute
| (https://minute.land/)
| [deleted]
| asdff wrote:
| Yurts are fundamentally portable. You can set up on blm land
| and live indefinitely for free if you are decamping every three
| weeks.
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