[HN Gopher] Krita: A professional free and open source painting ...
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Krita: A professional free and open source painting program
Author : doener
Score : 565 points
Date : 2023-05-01 12:41 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| Freire_Herval wrote:
| Digital painting was a skill to learn on my bucket list. Emphasis
| on "was". Within the last 6 months all of that has changed. I no
| longer value digital painting as a skill.
|
| It's easy to see why based on everything's that happened in the
| news. I'm sure a lot of people share my sentiment.
| danparsonson wrote:
| If you seriously take that attitude then it's hardly worth
| learning to do anything - there will always be someone or some
| computer who is better at it, so why even try?
| Freire_Herval wrote:
| [dead]
| babuloseo wrote:
| You can still do digital painting while you are in a plane or
| taking a trip, just because AI advances in this space has made
| a lot of strides doesn't mean you necessarily have to give up
| on doing something.
| PrimeMcFly wrote:
| I tried switching to it so I had an FOSS alternative to
| paint.net, but so far it's taking some getting used to.
|
| I really wish paint.net was FOSS - it's perfect.
| EMM_386 wrote:
| It really is.
|
| I started using that when it was launched in 2004 and it's come
| a very long way. Began as a computer science senior design
| project.
|
| Unfortunately as you mention it's not open source anymore ...
| too many people recompiling it and selling it as their own.
|
| It's fast, easy, and has more features than I'll ever need.
| Plugins also for more advanced things like content-aware fills,
| etc.
|
| It's not directly comparable to Krita but if you need a
| powerful, free image editor on Windows it's easily my
| recommendation.
| as1mov wrote:
| Try Pinta, it's pretty close to Paint.net in terms of
| functionality. But make sure to install it from the repository
| specified on the website. The version provided by various
| distributions is very old and unstable.
| everybodyknows wrote:
| Multiple steps may be required:
|
| https://www.pinta-project.com/howto/installing-pinta
|
| Latest is v2.1. Ubuntu 20.04 apt repo is indeed back at v1.6.
| PrimeMcFly wrote:
| You know, I did try Pinta before Krita, and I can't remember
| what but I found it didn't support something I needed.
|
| This is odd to me because I don't really do much other than
| need layers, a good text tool, and some effects like blur or
| similar. I might give it a try again, it's been at least a
| year since I last looked at it.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| It's a shame Paint.NET doesn't work in Wine. Gimp can do way
| too much, Krita is mostly for artists, and the various
| lightweight MS Paint alternatives lack things like layers.
| Paint.NET has fulfilled my requirements for quick image editing
| quite nicely during my Windows days.
|
| However, I wouldn't call it a competitor to Krita. Krita is
| very much oriented at artists making digital art whereas
| Paint.NET is much more picture editing oriented.
| PrimeMcFly wrote:
| If not Krita, then what might be a better alternative to
| Paint.NET?
| jeroenhd wrote:
| Pinta served me well, but on modern distributions it's
| become unstable. I've resorted to GIMP and Photopea these
| days.
|
| I'm jealous of the image editor built into SerenityOS
| (PixelPaint). It's getting awfully close to everything I
| want out of an image editor, but I'm not brave enough to
| try to port a Serenity application to Linux.
| nazgulsenpai wrote:
| Pinta works just fine as a flatpak. Have you tried that?
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| zxspectrum1982 wrote:
| Paint.NET used to be open source until a bunch of scammers
| started selling "relabeled" versions of it, misleading users.
| thomastjeffery wrote:
| So its devs decided to join the trend?
|
| I'm not sure how that's better.
| raincole wrote:
| Krita actually was one of the first programs that implemented
| multi-layer liquify (yes, before CSP.)
|
| It has its issues tho. For example the text tool is quite tedious
| to use (and sometimes just gives plain wrong kernings)
| bitigchi wrote:
| Next version will have greatly improved text capabilities.
| haunter wrote:
| I love that they are also selling the software in stores (MS,
| Steam, Epic). You don't get anything extra apart from the
| automatic updates but it's certainly a nice way to get people to
| pay for your FOSS project.
|
| Back in 2019 they mentioned that "Krita has gone from 2 to 4
| full-time developers over the last 10 months, and Steam has been
| instrumental in raising the funds to make that possible"
| https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/d2ic2e/krita_is_now_...
|
| I wish more project would do the same. I know the stores take a
| cut but my guess would be that it's easier to make people buy
| there than make them a direct donation for example.
| Kye wrote:
| I think it's the same situation with companies paying for
| software from a company they already have a spending
| relationship with instead of trying the competition. You lose a
| lot of people when you ask them to get their card out for yet
| another entity. It's easier to buy into the nth AWS tool, or
| Office 365 app, or Steam game than to take a chance with some
| new person's grasp on security and privacy.
| [deleted]
| woolion wrote:
| Here is an old (2016) breakdown of their income sources:
| https://krita.org/en/item/funding-kritas-development/
|
| I follow their updates semi-regularly so I'm not sure if they
| made a more recent one that was as detailed. I found a tad
| depressing to see how much Steam purchases are making compared
| to donations.
|
| They also had an interesting post about the fact that on the
| Windows store they cannot mention that you can download it for
| free as it is against Microsoft TOS:
| https://krita.org/en/item/krita-in-the-windows-store-an-upda...
|
| They also mention that it's a compromise, it's adding a new
| income stream but participating in the economy of non-free
| software.
|
| It's hard to make money with free software, even if your
| product is industry-level in some aspects.
| gibolt wrote:
| If Microsoft asked you to make a donation for a product,
| you'd probably also scoff at the idea.
|
| It is a term that carries lots of connotations, and people
| are far less likely to do than simply _buy_ a product.
| TulliusCicero wrote:
| > I found a tad depressing to see how much Steam purchases
| are making compared to donations.
|
| Why's this depressing? They 'charge' a reasonable price on
| Steam for those who want to either support the project or get
| automatic updates or both, and the developers for this open
| source project get funded without having to actually paywall
| the product. Seems pretty good all around to me!
| hallarempt wrote:
| We didn't do an update on that, because that post got us into
| big trouble with inland revenue (Dutch) in 2017...
| woolion wrote:
| Right, I remember the issue... which I think got you to do
| the proper setup of the Krita foundation to avoid any
| similar issue (which may have been quite some work and
| accountant fees).
|
| Thank you for your work, by the way. Krita is one of the
| things that make me the happiest, with Linux itself. It's
| such a well-designed software, and it's such a pleasure to
| paint with it.
| Dalewyn wrote:
| >You don't get anything extra apart from the automatic updates
|
| I would pay to not have autoupdates, figuratively speaking.
| LegitShady wrote:
| I was using it generally before but bought it on steam 1) to
| support the project and 2) to have it automatically update
| itself.
|
| Worth what I paid for it even though I could get it free.
| Foomf wrote:
| I know Paint.NET, WinSCP and HexChat does this (Microsoft
| Store).
| csdvrx wrote:
| Is there something like that on Linux that's gtk based but
| not as complicated as Gimp?
| grey_earthling wrote:
| Drawing fits that description, but it isn't really
| comparable to Krita -- the authors describe it as like MS
| Paint but for Gnome.
|
| Pinta seems similar, but more Xfce-ish.
|
| => https://maoschanz.github.io/drawing/
|
| => https://www.pinta-project.com/
| suzumer wrote:
| Paint.net stopped releasing source code in 2009.
| vxNsr wrote:
| But you can still download it from their website for free.
| They charge for it on the windows store.
| Dwedit wrote:
| Spoiler warning, all .NET programs can be decompiled. This
| includes many Unity games.
| bdamm wrote:
| Decompilation is not the same as source availability. Any
| binary can be converted into source that will compile
| back into a (nearly) equivalent binary. Whether that
| source code is economically viable to use in some
| derivative work is an entirely different question. It
| might be easier for .NET binaries to be decompiled but
| the point still remains that machine generated source
| code is not the same as human generated source code.
| ZeWaka wrote:
| It reminds me a lot of Aseprite, which is free to compile
| yourself since it's open source, but you have to buy it on
| Steam for auto-updates and such.
| jamilton wrote:
| Aseprite calls itself "source available" now. Their license
| has a "no redistribute" clause, so if want to use it and
| can't compile it yourself, you have to buy it.
|
| I spent about an hour trying to compile it on Windows a few
| months ago, couldn't get it working. Can't remember why,
| maybe most of that time was installing requirements.
| edflsafoiewq wrote:
| Seems like a bit of a perverse incentive.
| StrangeATractor wrote:
| They were GPLv2 for a while but changed course. I'd use the
| fork going forward:
|
| https://github.com/LibreSprite/LibreSprite
| EGreg wrote:
| Also I use photopea online because I was so used to old Photoshop
| kps wrote:
| My Photoshop install from a previous life is a major reason I
| still keep a 15-year-old Mac running.
|
| Krita is really nice but it's an artist's tool, not a general
| image editor. GIMP is a general image editor but... not really
| nice.
| EGreg wrote:
| I used to try to port Photoshop to newer OSes etc.
|
| Then I discovered PhotoPea web app online and it's even
| better! And available anywhere for free! Have you tried it?
| Just like Photoshop 5 haha
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| > My Photoshop install from a previous life is a major reason
| I still keep a 15-year-old Mac running.
|
| I've debated setting up an offline "creative corner" machine
| with a comfy older OS and Photoshop, something like Snow
| Leopard and Photoshop CS1/CS2, precisely because the core of
| what makes PS useful for me hasn't changed in ages. For my
| use case the new features added in versions since simply
| aren't worth the bloat and slowness that's come with them.
| cynthedesign wrote:
| There are so many of us with this mindset, if there were
| usable tools that played well with muscle memory of
| oldschool adobe workflows the market for new versions of PS
| in particular and to a lesser extent Illustrator, would
| fall drastically.
| MilStdJunkie wrote:
| Yup. Finally switched last year to Krita from GIMP. Was a little
| awkward with the muscle memory for a bit, but damn, so much
| slicker. Reminds me of when I went to VSC from NPP and Atom.
| prophesi wrote:
| I was actually looking into Krita the other day to see if it's
| possible for an iOS/iPad build to come out once side-loading is
| possible on those platforms. From what I can gather[0], it seems
| like there's already a working iPad build which is exciting. I'm
| hoping an alternative app store comes out as well to properly pay
| for it.
|
| [0] https://krita-artists.org/t/in-theory-could-krita-be-
| ported-...
| acapybara wrote:
| As a long-time user and supporter of Krita, I'm thrilled to see
| it mentioned here. However, I must express my concern about the
| choice of emphasizing "FREE" in all caps in this headline. While
| I understand that the cost-free nature of open-source software is
| certainly appealing, I feel that this particular framing could
| cheapen the overall value proposition of Krita.
|
| Krita has much more to offer than just being free. It's a
| powerful and versatile painting program, developed by a dedicated
| team of professionals and volunteers who have worked tirelessly
| to make it an excellent tool for digital artists. The software
| offers a wide range of features, including an intuitive user
| interface, advanced brush engines, and robust layering
| capabilities. These strengths are what truly set Krita apart and
| should be the primary focus when promoting it.
|
| By emphasizing the "FREE" aspect in all caps, the headline may
| inadvertently detract from these strengths and create the
| perception that Krita's most significant selling point is its
| price tag, rather than its outstanding functionality and
| features. I would suggest presenting Krita as a "professional
| open-source painting program" without the all-caps emphasis on
| "FREE," so that the conversation around it can focus more on its
| capabilities and the value it brings to the creative community.
|
| Again, I wholeheartedly support Krita and am grateful for the
| fantastic work that has been put into it. I hope this critique is
| received in the caring and thoughtful spirit in which it was
| intended, as my goal is to ensure that Krita receives the
| recognition and appreciation it truly deserves.
| RobotToaster wrote:
| ""Free software" means software that respects users' freedom
| and community. Roughly, it means that the users have the
| freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the
| software. Thus, "free software" is a matter of liberty, not
| price. To understand the concept, you should think of "free" as
| in "free speech," not as in "free beer." We sometimes call it
| "libre software," borrowing the French or Spanish word for
| "free" as in freedom, to show we do not mean the software is
| gratis. "
|
| https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
| carride wrote:
| That is the title which is seen on the posted URL from Krita
| website. Standards for submitting to HN is not to alter the
| title.
| commoner wrote:
| Rule of thumb: when you see the phrase "free and open source
| software" (FOSS), the word "free" in that phrase refers to
| freedom, not price.
| elicash wrote:
| This is entirely unrelated to Krita, but on the "free beer"
| mention: I had heard free as in beer, and also free as in
| puppies. But two that I heard recently and loved that make
| different points: Free as in mattress, and free as in piano.
| SahAssar wrote:
| > Free as in mattress, and free as in piano
|
| I don't get it, could you explain?
| sigstoat wrote:
| the mattress could be infected with bedbugs.
|
| and a piano that's been unmaintained for enough decades
| isn't an instrument any more, and never will be. and
| disposing of them is expensive.
|
| they have negative value, despite not costing any money.
| SahAssar wrote:
| I don't get how those help saying what value open source
| software does or does not give. With the original two
| there are clearly two ways to view free (beer, as in you
| do not pay for the software, and speech as in that you
| get certain rights with it).
|
| You are talking about the quality of the software, and I
| don't think that is correlated to either the versions of
| free described above. I have paid for software that has
| been buginfested and that has been completely unfit for
| its purpose.
|
| Is any of what you said related to free/libre software?
| bee_rider wrote:
| Huh. Free as in mattress, I got the negative implication.
|
| Free as in piano, thought it was some kind of... I dunno,
| almost a pun or something. In some places, people will
| play piano in public, performing for passers by, or just
| for their own entertainment.
|
| "Free as in beer" has the implication of being probably a
| bait and switch or having some strings attached. "Free as
| in speech" has an implication of having some significant
| political statement; I mean, "free speech" covers trivial
| speech too of course, but it isn't how we usually use the
| expression.
|
| The idea of software more like a funny song that's been
| released into the universe is a bit charming. I like my
| misinterpretation better than the real thing, I think.
| LegitShady wrote:
| Around me free pianos are just worth less than the cost
| to move them, not that there is anything wrong with them
| a professional couldn't tune.
|
| I see people trying to sell old Yamaha organs and they
| lower the price until it becomes "free just take it out
| of here so I don't have to pay someone to do it."
| MayeulC wrote:
| Free as in piano... I read that as "ok, you got a free
| piano, but now you've got to invest a lot of time into
| learning how to play it". Free as in free book, if you
| will.
|
| See also the "everything must be paid for twice" article
| (submitted a while back on HN).
| blauditore wrote:
| There's also free as in Jazz, but we're digressing quite
| far from the topic here.
| birdyrooster wrote:
| Stealing this
| jrm4 wrote:
| As a huge fan of GNU and the idea of Free Software;
|
| It might be time to _lead_ with Libre? This rather
| unfortunate ambiguity causes SO many problems.
| dontlaugh wrote:
| Almost no one uses the term that way, though. Certainly not
| the vast majority of possible users.
| pdntspa wrote:
| FREE is super important.
|
| There's lots of people in the world who can barely afford their
| computers, let alone the software to run on it.
|
| Personally I launched my career from a self-education that made
| heavy use of pirated and open-source software. I would never
| have been able to buy software without that start.
| MSFT_Edging wrote:
| I recommended Krita to my wife for digital drawing, and Krita
| stands ahead in the realm of "open source software that is
| usable by non-maintainers".
|
| Maintainers used loosely as people who participate in the
| community, filing bug reports and providing forum support.
|
| If you look at something like FreeCAD, equally powerful but not
| nearly as user friendly, you need to want to use FreeCAD
| specifically.
|
| With Krita, you just need to want to paint. Its incredibly user
| friendly for someone with zero experience.
| anyfactor wrote:
| We have the same situation at work. We have a couple of
| fantastic "free" data products that should have a price tag of
| hundreds of dollars.
|
| I personally mention "Open access enterprise ready data" but it
| doesn't have the same "oomph" as saying it is free. The product
| is shared under CC-BY-SA and we geniunely treat it as an
| enterprise level product with no compromise. But yeah the
| keyword "free" does dilute the percieved quality of the
| product.
| newah1 wrote:
| [flagged]
| loloquwowndueo wrote:
| No, it didn't use the word "overall".
| newah1 wrote:
| "and be sure not to use the word 'overall'"
| PrimeMcFly wrote:
| The worst thing about AI becoming common is people accusing
| each other of having used AI to generate their work for them,
| when it probably isn't the case.
| raincole wrote:
| It reads like someone intentionally mimicked ChatGPT's style
| lol.
| no_time wrote:
| According to https://www.zerogpt.com/ your parent comment is
| 56.49% likely to be generated by ChatGPT.
| jkepler wrote:
| Did you run generate this comment using social-comments-GPT?
| https://social-comments-gpt.com/
|
| Just because someone's post is clear, well-structured, and
| includes a final recap doesn't mean it was AI-generated.
|
| Then again, maybe I'm a cat using CatGPT.
| kzrdude wrote:
| Why is free the only word that's consistently spelled in all
| uppercase? All throughout commercial text. It is kind of tacky
| at this point.
| bee_rider wrote:
| It is a bit weird.
|
| Although, I don't see "FREE" all that often (other than this
| case). I see "Free" more often, which I take as making the
| free as in liberated, not free as in zero cost distinction.
| FormerBandmate wrote:
| Emulating tacky sleazy ads that have a fine print where you
| pay $10,000 every day and sell your soul to Satan.
| acomjean wrote:
| There is an android version that works on my samsung. While
| it's very "desktop"ish it's amazing with the sylus.
|
| The brushes are fantastic allow quickly painting grass and
| leaves.
| robomartin wrote:
| > As a long-time user and supporter of Krita,
|
| How does Krita compare to GIMP?
| raincole wrote:
| No the parent comment but I can answer this.
|
| They're quite different. Krita is more about digital painting
| and GIMP is more about photo processing. If you're familiar
| with CSP and Photoshop, Krita is more like CSP and GIMP is
| more like Photoshop.
|
| Specifically, Krita has a much more sophisticated brush
| engine.
| ruuda wrote:
| Even for light photo editing and making memes and such, I
| much prefer Krita over Gimp. I find the interface more
| straightforward to use. (And in terms of features I prefer
| Photopea over both, but unfortunately it's not free
| software.)
| egypturnash wrote:
| _It 's a powerful and versatile painting program, developed by
| a dedicated team of professionals and volunteers who have
| worked tirelessly to make it an excellent tool for digital
| artists. The software offers a wide range of features,
| including an intuitive user interface, advanced brush engines,
| and robust layering capabilities. These strengths are what
| truly set Krita apart and should be the primary focus when
| promoting it._
|
| This is _table stakes_ for a paint program. Right now all
| versions of Manga Studio /Clip Studio are $25. Possibly more
| for the super deluxe version, I'm not sure if it's just
| currently also $25 or permanently $25. Procreate is $12.
| ArtRage is $5-80. All of these tools have an "intuitive user
| interface, advanced brush engines, and robust layering
| capabilities". All are developed by dedicated teams of pros who
| have been working to make them excellent tools for digital
| artists for many years.
|
| Krita is available for free; Krita is partially built by
| volunteers. These are the only parts of the paragraph I quoted
| that do not apply to the other tools I cited. There's lots more
| tools in this space, too; I just listed a few things I see a
| lot of my pro artist friends using.
| Pxtl wrote:
| Clip is yearly on Android/iOS, one-time on Win/MacOS.
| egypturnash wrote:
| I think there's something going on with an upcoming
| subscription to updates for Clip on desktops, too? Some of
| my Clip-using friends were screaming about it a while back.
| hellofriends1 wrote:
| > the choice of emphasizing "FREE" in all caps in this
| headline.
|
| You're welcome to fork it and try to sell it if you think
| that's such a great idea.
|
| Anyway are you going to blame the user? I will. It sucks people
| pay for a $3 coffee or a cigs or chips not software they use
| for even 10s. Maybe figure out a way to make software
| physiologically addictive like coffee tobacco and junk food,
| and you can bypass the two decades of cultural programming of
| 4b people to value intangibles at 0.
| Rayhem wrote:
| > You're welcome to fork it and try to _sell it_ if you think
| that's such a great idea.
|
| Emphasis mine. Are you implying the OP shouldn't raise these
| ideas? Have you ever had a complaint about a user interface
| in your car? You are, after all, free to build your own and
| design it how you like. They saw something they thought could
| be improved, provided a rational explanation of why they
| think a change should at least be considered, and did so in a
| manner that's very respectful of both the software and the
| people who developed it. So this comment feels more than a
| little...reductive to me. Moreover, I don't read their
| commentary as suggesting the software shouldn't _be_ free,
| merely that its price tag shouldn 't be the loudest and most
| prominent selling point. It's a well-known psychological
| phenomenon that people want things they think are valuable,
| so putting a $5 sign on the furniture you're trying to give
| away makes it more likely to go.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| I enjoy Krita, especially the Android version which supports
| everything the desktop version supports as far as I can tell. If
| you've got an Android tablet with a stylus it's worth checking
| out, it's on par with most art software I've seen in the Play
| Store for most purposes I can think of.
| Daunk wrote:
| I feel like Krita is the next best thing after Photoshop,
| however; the interface really doesn't sit right with me at all.
| It feels very counter intuitive and I struggle finding what I
| need. I also don't like that "windows" inside the "main window"
| isn't really a thing unless you use the software(?) renderer, and
| even then it's sub-par at best. Like, I want to have 4 or 5
| images open and see them all at the same time.
| woolion wrote:
| As a counterpoint, some years ago I felt it was time to use "a
| real painting program" and switch to Photoshop. It felt so
| backwards, mostly in terms of interface, that I dropped the
| idea very fast. There are a few shortcuts that I change or find
| missing in Krita, but apart from that it felt like the painting
| experience was much more streamlined (which is my main concern,
| so I can't talk for other aspects).
| pzone wrote:
| Adobe halted development of painting and illustration
| features in Photoshop a number of years ago. Their goal seems
| to be to get people to use Illustrator for illustrations and
| Fresco for painting.
| hallarempt wrote:
| MDI subwindows work fine with canvas acceleration, though...
| turbobooster wrote:
| [dead]
| dang wrote:
| Related:
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|
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|
| _Krita 5.0_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29660463 -
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|
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|
| _Krita 4.4.2 Released_ -
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|
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|
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|
| _Krita 4.3.0_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23638144 -
| June 2020 (83 comments)
|
| _First Krita Beta for Android and ChromeOS in Play Store_ -
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|
| _Krita Receives Epic MegaGrant_ -
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|
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|
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|
| _Krita 4.2.0: First painting application with HDR support on
| Windows_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19388091 - March
| 2019 (47 comments)
|
| _Krita in 2018 and 2019_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18768747 - Dec 2018 (46
| comments)
|
| _Krita 4.1.3 Released_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18083149 - Sept 2018 (37
| comments)
|
| _Krita in the Windows Store: an update_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17651281 - July 2018 (60
| comments)
|
| _Krita 4.0 - A painting app for cartoonists, illustrators, and
| concept artists_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16647445
| - March 2018 (191 comments)
|
| _Krita Foundation: Update_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14910829 - Aug 2017 (65
| comments)
|
| _Krita Foundation in Trouble_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14899155 - Aug 2017 (226
| comments)
|
| _An Interview with Krita Maintainer Boudewijn Rempt_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13586945 - Feb 2017 (14
| comments)
|
| _Whew, what a year_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13290718 - Dec 2016 (23
| comments)
|
| _Open Source Motion Comic Done Entirely with Blender, Krita and
| GNU /Linux_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12381924 - Aug
| 2016 (18 comments)
|
| _Krita brushes for game artists_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12281408 - Aug 2016 (5
| comments)
|
| _Krita 3.0: The Animation Release_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11810802 - May 2016 (43
| comments)
|
| _First Krita 3.0 pre-alpha_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10920092 - Jan 2016 (1
| comment)
|
| _Krita - free digital painting app crowd-funding goes live on
| kickstarter_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9484828 - May
| 2015 (2 comments)
|
| _The complete story of Paris-8 university going for Krita,
| Blender, Natron_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9250461 -
| March 2015 (1 comment)
|
| _'Goodbye Photoshop' and 'Hello Krita' at University Paris 8_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8897835 - Jan 2015 (197
| comments)
|
| _Krita (open source painting software) is on Kickstarter_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7964241 - June 2014 (4
| comments)
|
| _FOSS Photoshop killer Krita may release on Steam [video]_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7199040 - Feb 2014 (97
| comments)
|
| _Ten years of working on Krita_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6482242 - Oct 2013 (11
| comments)
| jonnycomputer wrote:
| I have recently begun using Krita; being open-source, I did not
| necessarily have high-expectations, but it absolutely is
| professional-grade software.
| tomcam wrote:
| I'm very glad you're open source. Username checks out ;)
| senectus1 wrote:
| I love Krita... have been using it for years and have my kids
| using it as well!
| metadat wrote:
| If you're on Android, the Play Store
| (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.krita) will
| tell you it's not compatible with your Android phone.
|
| This actually appears to be false! I downloaded the v8 ARM APK
| directly [0] and it started up and is working fine.
|
| Enjoy :)
|
| [0] https://download.kde.org/stable/krita/5.1.5/
|
| Thank goodness for side loading.
|
| Edit: @hallarempt, naturally it isn't perfect on a phone screen,
| but still works. A mobile-native version would be cool but this
| is still a lot better than any other Phone-oshop tools I've
| tried! Kind of depressing to be told it's "incompatible" when in
| reality it's functional with some limitations.
| hallarempt wrote:
| Yeah... The thing is, the current UI isn't really good for
| small screens, so when we teamed up with Google to bring Krita
| to Android and ChromeOS, we only targeted large-screen devices.
|
| We are trying to add a UX suitable for small-screen devices,
| but... Google changes Android so often and so weirdly that the
| guy working on Krita on Android pretty much spends all his time
| chasing those changes instead of designing a small-screen
| friendly UI.
| evertedsphere wrote:
| [dead]
| Pxtl wrote:
| Oh shit I just bought my kid a Moto G Stylus and Krita was
| part of our game-plan. Is there a bounty I can donate to for
| this?
| monetus wrote:
| I've been trying it on the stylus but it is difficult -
| f-droid hosts it I think.
| hallarempt wrote:
| You can still sideload it, but a phone-suitable UX is going
| to take a year, or two, three.
| Pxtl wrote:
| Great, thanks!
| davidgerard wrote:
| it's also in F-Droid https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.krita/
| crawsome wrote:
| It's weird seeing this on the top of the frontpage because of how
| old the app is.
|
| It's great for annotating with symbols and circling stuff, and
| the "New from clipboard" function is awesome, but the text editor
| holds it back entirely. It's painful to do ANYTHING with text and
| they choose not to triage it.
|
| There's a minimum text size, too, so it auto-goes back to that
| high text size unless you type a number in.
|
| It's not ready for mainstream, I've sent this feedback as many
| others have.
| raincole wrote:
| They promised to redo the text tool last year. It's not
| released yet, but I'm sure they are at least aware of this
| issue.
| s1291 wrote:
| Read about the re-written text layout engine:
| https://wolthera.info/2022/10/svg-text-layout-for-krita
| crawsome wrote:
| If I read and understand that correctly, they aren't
| addressing the UX of the editor, but the engine's features
| instead? Features are nice, but I don't think people want to
| type their text in a big window before they see it on the
| canvas.
|
| Photoshop, GIMP, Paint.NET, and even MS paint let you write
| text directly on the canvas with an insertion point. The Text
| tool in Krita is a whole level of abstraction away from being
| able to see what you want.
| hallarempt wrote:
| Yes, on-canvas editing of text is a project for this year,
| and probably most of next year. All in all we're spending
| tens of thousands of euros on the text shape and text tool,
| in the hope that now we're doing this for the fourth time,
| we can finally nail it.
|
| The main purpose of Krita's text tool is comic book speech
| bubbles, though, not annotating screen shots.
| egypturnash wrote:
| I make comics and I am pretty sure that a feature set
| suitable for making word balloons is going to be very
| much a superset of what you need to annotate screenshots.
|
| Annotation: pick a font/size/color and pick a place to
| start typing, or drag out a larger, rectangular text box
| and start typing.
|
| Comics: also those text boxes might need to be
| ovals/rectangles/some absolutely crazy shape that fits
| the needs of the page, it's nice to automatically draw a
| balloon for them too, manage font/size/color across
| multiple text boxes on multiple pages, and then there's
| sound effects that start out as a cool font and get
| pushed around...
|
| I may be biased by working in Illustrator, which has a
| _very_ mature set of text tools. I hear that Clip /Manga
| Studio's text tools were barely functional for an
| _embarassing_ number of years and there sure are a lot of
| comics people I know who love it despite that.
| hallarempt wrote:
| Clip Studio's text tools are really primitive, yes... And
| we're aware of the challenges. At least three people in
| the core team do make comics, too :-) And we want to
| support vertical text, RTL, ruby and all of that. But in
| this thread there's a link to a blog post that shows what
| already has been done, and there's been lots of work done
| since.
| tomcam wrote:
| Thank you for being the maintainer, and thanks for this
| update. You folks are incredible.
| simulo wrote:
| I see it mainly as an digital painting app and it is advertised
| by its creators as such ("painting program ... art tools").
| There, it goes far beyond basic functionality and is very much
| ready for mainstream.
|
| It does a lot of things beyond that, and some people use it as
| general purpose tool but given that this is not part of the
| core purpose, it is not surprising that the mileage varies when
| it comes to text editing or color correction etc. (Still happy
| if they manage to improve their text tool!)
| sundarurfriend wrote:
| I don't know if the text editor "holds it back entirely" to
| such an extent as to make it "not ready for mainstream", but
| definitely is a pain in the ass. I didn't even know adding text
| to an image could be made so complicated and buggy until I
| started using Krita.
| joeld42 wrote:
| Krita is freaking amazing and I use it every day.
| uberdoogle wrote:
| [flagged]
| raincole wrote:
| How... how is that semi-NSFW...?
| nojonestownpls wrote:
| "It's not from my culture and I find unfamiliar things scary,
| so I'm gonna call it NSFW"
| dahart wrote:
| That's 100% straw man. The issue isn't the anime cultural
| reference, the issue is that the splash screens are a
| slightly suggestive picture of a female child/teenager
| who's not in my family, which is creepy for adult males to
| have on display at work regardless of which country you
| live in.
| bigbaguette wrote:
| > regardless of which country you live in.
|
| I usually don't go into these kind on discussions,
| especially on HN, but allow me to mention that in many
| countries, nobody would think much of such splash screen
| even at work. And that doesn't mean in any way that the
| person in question is creepy or that anyone else around
| would think so for a minute. If this artwork would
| trigger a reaction, this wouldn't go further than "hey,
| nice drawing" without any afterthoughts.
|
| Seeing this picture as suggestive is immensely
| conditioned by the personal and cultural background of
| the beholder and his community. These norms aren't
| universal.
| dahart wrote:
| Which countries are you thinking of? This used to be more
| acceptable in the US, but norms are changing, and they
| are changing globally. There are still some places in the
| US where nobody would care, but these places are becoming
| less frequent over time. And I'd agree that the images do
| not automatically make someone creepy, but I would say
| that it might automatically make someone insensitive to
| those around them, maybe women in particular in this
| case. This may be true regardless of the past culture of
| acceptance of such imagery.
| nojonestownpls wrote:
| Just to be sure, is this the image you're seeing:
| https://krita.org/wp-
| content/uploads/2019/05/electrichearts_...
|
| That's the one that comes up on the splash screen for me,
| and if you see that as in any way "suggestive", that's
| disturbing to me.
|
| Would you have the same problem if they had Mickey Mouse
| in their splash screen? After all, he is topless and
| arguably more suggestive than Kiki is in any way.
| dahart wrote:
| No that one's on the less suggestive side of the various
| Krita splash screens. (Still not something I would want
| to hang a poster of at work.) Do a Google image search
| for "Krita splash screen" and look at the broader set.
| These are more suggestive than the one in your comment:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35773999
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35773357
|
| I'm not going to touch the Mickey comment, that's weird.
| Vrondi wrote:
| That one just seems unprofessional in so much as it is
| child-like. There is another where she is visibly wearing
| garters, which is not child-like for the past more than a
| century.
| Vrondi wrote:
| "It appropriates something from my culture that is
| sexualized and associates it with child-like qualities
| which are taboo to be sexualized, which makes it seem pedo-
| creepy". There, fixed that for you. In western cultures
| generally, garters are lingerie, and not professional if
| you aren't a sex worker or lingerie model (or ok, maybe a
| rock star).
| hallarempt wrote:
| The artist is Chinese...
| ok123456 wrote:
| Anime fandom, at least among online westerners, seems to
| primarily sexualize the cartoons. People who are aware of
| this may not want to have it displayed in a professional
| setting.
| [deleted]
| jeroenhd wrote:
| If your workplace has a rule against cutesy mascots, you can
| use --no-splash to disable the splash screen on all platforms.
|
| I'm not sure what place of work would consider this mascot to
| be NSFW (maybe a theocratic country where women are forced to
| hide their bodies for religious reasons?) but the switch
| doesn't prevent mascot from popping up elsewhere, so if you are
| in such a place you should probably avoid this program all
| together (or find a better employer).
| dahart wrote:
| There doesn't have to be a rule against cutesy mascots for
| the Krita splash to be just a _little_ bit weird. I don't
| have pictures of any women not in my family, especially young
| girls, on my desk, and people around me would consider it
| weird if I did, and I would consider it a little weird if
| they did. True, the switch doesn't prevent female anime
| mascots from popping up elsewhere, yet somehow that's not a
| problem I've ever had, is it common for you?
|
| * edit I don't know or understand why this is being
| downvoted, but to make the point slightly more clearly,
| Krita's splash screens are only slightly unprofessional, and
| they are are slightly unprofessional for exactly the same
| reason that using the Lena image in computer vision is now
| considered slightly unprofessional. People are free to
| disagree, but it's a fact that some people don't love it, and
| that's all that's needed to make it "semi" inappropriate for
| work. It's nothing obscene, nothing in your face, it's just
| slightly suggestive in a way that not everyone wants at work.
| zamnos wrote:
| No wife/girlfriends/sisters/daughters/nieces in your life?
| Do you have zero pictures of the boys/men in your life as
| well? Not even a family picture?
| dahart wrote:
| That's a straw man. The Krita picture of "Kiki" is not a
| member of my family, or anyone else's. Nobody in my
| family is ambiguously young with melon sized breasts, and
| even if they were I definitely wouldn't have a picture of
| it on my desk.
| mixmastamyk wrote:
| Holy cow, project much?
|
| These complaints about a... "squirrel girl mascot" where
| you give graphic descriptions about body parts says more
| about you than the images/authors.
|
| _" The dude doth protest too much, methinks"_
| dahart wrote:
| Why are the comments getting more flippant, more
| incredulous, and more unreasonable despite there being
| lots of discussion already explaining the nuanced and
| fairly uncontroversial point of view that squirrel girl
| isn't the single most appropriate image for a workplace?
| I'm not alone, and this isn't the first conversation
| about Krita's splash screens being mildly unprofessional.
| Nobody here is claiming the pictures are generally
| inappropriate, only that they're not neutral in the
| workplace. I don't mind the art. My kids have similar
| art. I still wouldn't hang it on my office wall. If you
| want to, you should, and see if everyone at your work
| likes it. I was only trying to add explanation and
| specificity to my comment precisely because of comments
| like yours pretending incredulously that there's
| absolutely nothing to discuss, and attacking me with ad-
| hominems.
| prophesi wrote:
| Your verbiage makes it sound concerning, but if it's the
| following image[0] then I don't see how anyone could
| misconstrue it with lolita culture. It looks like
| something you'd see in a Studio Ghibli film.
|
| [0] https://krita.org/wp-
| content/uploads/2021/08/electrichearts_...
| Vrondi wrote:
| In most western cultures, visible garters are lingerie
| not appropriate to a professional environment for anyone
| who isn't a sex worker/stripper/fashion model.
| dahart wrote:
| The visible garters aren't a clue? Yes the visual style
| might be similar to Ghibli, in the sense that it's anime,
| but see if you can find a shot from any of their films
| with garters under a skirt. That's only one of the Krita
| splash screens. If you look at all of them, the
| suggestiveness is relatively consistent though not
| exactly the same from version to version.
|
| Speaking only personally, I can imagine how this image
| would make some people slightly squeamish if _I_ had it
| on display at work. I'm not saying you shouldn't have it
| on your desktop. You do you. I'm only saying I wouldn't
| do it, and not necessarily for obvious or extreme
| reasons, it's really just for subtle reasons, but
| personally I don't see how anyone could not see the
| slightly suggestive nature of Krita's splash screens.
| Which is fine at home, just not at work (for me).
| uberman wrote:
| While no garders, Kiki's Delivery Service has plenty of
| pantie shots far cringier than a pair of garters. Kiki is
| literally a little girl not an anthropomorphic robot
| squirrel.
| raincole wrote:
| > That's a straw man.
|
| Then proceeded to talk about "melon sized breasts", which
| Krita's mascot doesn't have.
|
| If there is an award of the lack of self-awareness, this
| comment deserves a nomination.
| dahart wrote:
| Some of them certainly do.
| https://images.app.goo.gl/sXTmKVvErm9mgtQZA
| https://images.app.goo.gl/ucr6f7dfnBUeqMJe7
| ziml77 wrote:
| Are these what you consider NSFW? Your job would have to
| be assistant to the pope for your workplace to be
| offended by these.
| dahart wrote:
| I didn't call it unambiguously NSFW. The top comment (not
| mine) didn't either, they used the qualifier "semi". This
| obviously isn't porn, it's art. The famous Lena image has
| no breasts at all, and it's considered semi NSFW.
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna "it is no longer
| considered appropriate by some authors" ... "Suggestive
| pictures used in lectures on image processing ... convey
| the message that the lecturer caters to the males only."
|
| You don't have to be in a puritanical setting for some
| women and men around you to be uncomfortable with your
| pin-ups, regardless of which body parts are visible. They
| might never even say anything about it, and yet it can
| still be slightly inappropriate and/or unprofessional.
| mixmastamyk wrote:
| Thankfully the cartoon images don't share problematic
| aspects in common, such as coming from an old playboy
| shoot. They're not even suggestive of that.
| dahart wrote:
| Unfortunately some people still don't care for these
| particular cartoon images for whatever reason as
| evidenced by multiple requests to disable the splash
| screen, here and elsewhere on the internet. If you
| believe strongly that these images are neutral and
| appropriate for work, by all means, show them!
| [deleted]
| noisy_boy wrote:
| Still don't see them. You seem awfully keen to die on
| this hill, huh?
| hallarempt wrote:
| Heh. If any of the official Kiki images has a Kiki with
| melon-sized boobs, _I_ would have melon-sized boobs, and
| I've only been on HRT for a year and a half, and am an
| A-cup. (Aspiring to a B-cup, though!)
| dahart wrote:
| I guess using the word melon seems to have triggered some
| people, and is arguable given the cartoony proportions,
| but the links I put above are definitely adult boobs, and
| larger than B cup, relative to the torso/shoulders/arms.
| The boob size isn't really the point, the subject matter
| as a whole just isn't workplace material, right? I don't
| quite understand all the pushback on the idea that these
| pictures aren't completely neutral and aren't 100%
| appropriate for the workplace.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| "a little bit weird" is a pretty low bar to cross. Enough
| to maybe go "huh okay", but nowhere close to NSFW. Your
| average news site carries ads more NSFW than this and most
| people still browse the web without ad blockers.
|
| Why would the gender of the mascot even matter? Would it be
| better if the mascot was male?
| dahart wrote:
| Depends entirely on your definition of "safe". And yes my
| very point was that a little bit weird is a low bar to
| cross, and yet it's still crossing a bar. That is exactly
| why the parent said "semi" NSFW. I don't browse news
| sites at work for the same reason. Hey if you want your
| boss and co-workers to see you with "huh okay" stuff on
| your screen, and have no concern you might slowly lose on
| promotions or get HR complaints, then knock yourself out.
| Speaking only personally, I don't want anyone in my
| office to feel uncomfortable with what's on my screen or
| desk.
|
| The gender doesn't matter. It would be just as weird if
| it was an ambiguously young looking male child/teenager
| with emphasized anatomy under tight clothing. I would
| definitely also avoid having that on my monitor or desk.
| macintux wrote:
| [flagged]
| jrootabega wrote:
| Yeah, this guy getting suppressed is a clear abuse of the HN
| voting system.
| jonnycomputer wrote:
| The post's author made a factual statement relevant to many
| people who might consider using the software in an office
| environment. It should not have been downvoted, or flagged.
| It would have been useful to include information on how to
| suppress the splash screen though.
| dahart wrote:
| I tried to vouch as well and it didn't work. Does a second
| flag lock the comment dead?
| kps wrote:
| Vouching never seems to work for me. I used to use it
| when I thought a comment had been unfairly flagged even
| when I disagreed with it (as in this case), and I suspect
| I've had my vouching ability shadow-disabled for
| diverging from the mean.
|
| Regular downvoting is bad enough, but flagging is
| effectively an unassailable super-downvote.
| webstrand wrote:
| I've been using HN for a decade, I thought it was free of
| the disease of downvoting.
| potta_coffee wrote:
| I wish that were so but it fairly obviously isn't. Just
| jump on a thread about politics or vaccination or any
| other cultural issue.
| jrootabega wrote:
| Yes, vouching gets shadow disabled if you go against the
| abusive hive mind that is condoned here.
| dahart wrote:
| FWIW, I don't suspect my vouching is disabled. The
| comment has been un-flagged now. The churn in this thread
| is fairly interesting though. I can honestly see why it
| might be enough of a debate trigger that it's best from a
| moderation point of view if the thread was harder to find
| and comment on.
| jonnycomputer wrote:
| NSFW doesn't have only to do with sex or crudity. Unless you
| are in an animation shop, the splash screen screams "not
| serious" to anyone not in that scene. My kids draw anime. A
| boss might go, "Why are you using a toy for real work? Do you
| need Adobe suite?"
| macintux wrote:
| There's some basic level of professionalism I expect at work.
| I wouldn't set an attractive woman as my screensaver or
| desktop, regardless of the number of layers of clothing
| involved.
| ZoomZoomZoom wrote:
| Even though I don't deny there's clearly a tradition of
| depicting feminine characters at various levels of
| sexualisation, c'mon, this mascot is in full-body
| armour/exoskeleton and a dress over it (or maybe it's an
| android in a dress)!
|
| Look, this child mermaid on the Photoshop splash screen[1] has
| no clothes beneath the waist. Is it NSFW too?
|
| [1]: https://www.deviantart.com/mostafaabeelfattah/art/Adobe-
| Phot...
| hallarempt wrote:
| Yup, Kiki is a cybersquirrel, so an android. For a fuller set
| of ex-splashes, check https://krita.org/en/about/kiki/ . The
| current splash was inspired by
| https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.61379.html .
| chobytes wrote:
| What country are you in out of curiosity?
| ChuckNorris89 wrote:
| That anime character? That's gotta be some extreme prudity
| where you live to be NSFW. Let me guess, America? Shield your
| eyes from the Waifu tiddies my child!
|
| I remember the early to mid '90s's when it was still acceptable
| to have half naked women on PC screen savers, wallpapers or
| calendars on the walls in the office (Europe). IIRC some German
| hardware suppliers still gifted us wall calendars with women in
| bikinis in 2018.
| W4RH4WK55 wrote:
| What place are you working at where that is considered NSFW?!
| tekla wrote:
| JFC, when did the world suddenly become full of prudes that see
| sexuality in everything,
| nojonestownpls wrote:
| This is not even a prude thing, based on further replies on
| this thread, I actually find it disturbing how they can take
| the most innocent of images and find it sexually suggestive.
| The only requirement to trigger "semi-nsfw" seems to be that
| the character is female. If this is prudishness, it's the
| sort of prudishness that's caricatured as coming from
| repressed perversion of some sort.
| jbj wrote:
| if you have an old surface tablet, this is really great with
| linux surface kernel
|
| [ https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface ]
| jrm4 wrote:
| Genuine and serious praise for _not_ insisting on sticking with
| an absurdly embarassing and arguably problematic name that would
| be likely to hamper adoption for quite some time, unlike a
| certain other free and open source painting program.
| teddyh wrote:
| The name means "Chalk", and has the same root as "Cretaceous"
| (the geological period).
| blauditore wrote:
| Do you mean Gimp? I don't think that's so relevant. Did Git
| suffer from the same problem?
| torstenvl wrote:
| The Web is an imperfect corpus, but "git" is less commonly
| used as an insult. Even once you _git rid of_ all the
| software references with "git -software -version -torvalds
| -branch -commit -github -repo -repository" your primary
| definitions are as a synonym for "get," e.g., the top result
| is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git!
|
| Compare to "gimp -image -org" where the top result is not
| only an insult, but an ableist one that would instantly land
| you a trip to HR.
| colonwqbang wrote:
| I guess both are meant to be a kind of joke, calling your
| software a bad name in jest. But I think the joke works much
| better in the case of "git". Depending on what you read into
| it, calling someone a "gimp" is really quite offensive.
|
| git: A silly, incompetent, stupid or annoying person (usually
| a man).
|
| gimp: A person who is lame due to a crippling of the legs or
| feet.
| chungy wrote:
| GIMP was so named without an awareness that it coincided
| with pejorative. It wasn't an intentional joke.
| egypturnash wrote:
| _The acronym was coined first, with the letter G being
| added to -IMP as a reference to "the gimp" in the scene
| from the 1994 Pulp Fiction film.[8]_
|
| - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIMP#History
| chungy wrote:
| The movie in question doesn't even make the pejorative
| version of the word clear. The best you could come out of
| it is some weird fetish thing.
| egypturnash wrote:
| I am an artist who is quite happy for part of her living
| to be "drawing porn" and I find "The GIMP", considered
| solely as a word for "a weird fetish thing", to be a
| singularly tacky name.
| PrimeMcFly wrote:
| How is Gimp any different from Nintendo using 'Wii'?
| tekla wrote:
| What is absurd and problematic about GIMP?
| Vrondi wrote:
| Off the top of my head: the word "gimped" is similar in
| meaning to "handicapped", and if someone "is a gimp", then
| that could be considered similar to saying someone "is a
| cripple". Although I have no clue what any of that has to do
| with Krita.
| Kelamir wrote:
| [flagged]
| mkbkn wrote:
| [flagged]
| PrimeMcFly wrote:
| The difference is the US still largely abides by and enforces
| human rights. Major powers will always do crappy stuff, I
| think, but there is a difference in degree.
| radhad wrote:
| [dead]
| horstmeyer wrote:
| Ever heard of Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib?
| PrimeMcFly wrote:
| Sure. I don't think that detracts from my point at all.
|
| I'm not saying the US hasn't done horrible things, I'm
| saying they are orders of magnitude less horrible than
| other big powers.
| parasti wrote:
| Hard to see how this comment isn't engaging in whataboutism.
| Original poster is from Ukraine, a country that is, at
| present, actively being invaded by Russia, not from Middle
| East or Africa.
| INeedMoreRam wrote:
| [dead]
| throwaway049 wrote:
| Fair enough not to donate, but just because the developer is
| from Russia does not mean he supports the Russian government.
| [deleted]
| hallarempt wrote:
| There is no longer any development work done in Russia.
| Kelamir wrote:
| hallarempt, thanks for making that clear - I have no issue
| with the project in that case. Also thanks a lot for
| maintaining Krita, I've used the software in the past and
| it's been great. I'm especially interested in combining
| Stable Diffusion with Krita.
| 1attice wrote:
| I got into Krita a year or two ago and I've been thoroughly
| impressed. Kudos to the development team. I'm particularly happy
| with its wacom support; the radial menu is something I miss
| profoundly in Affinity. (I also love Affinity but for different
| reasons; and yes, there's a system-wide wacom radial menu under
| Windows, but it's not as good as Krita's.)
| severino wrote:
| I once got a wacom-like tablet but I always wondered how does
| one learn to use it? And specially using software like Krita or
| MyPaint in Linux. I mean, supposing you can already draw with
| pen and paper. But I found it to be somewhat different, and I
| could never get used to. Maybe it's the lack of practice but
| also seeing almost no progress made me abandon. Any advice
| would be appreciated
| 1attice wrote:
| If you have a paper/pencil practice, some of the fine motor
| training transfers. But you're right, not all of it!
| Particularly, the difference in surface friction used to
| throw me off.
|
| Try starting with a piece of paper taped onto your tablet to
| reproduce a grabbier, more fricative surface.
|
| Similarly, when working with good old fashioned graphite on
| paper, try smoother grades of paper, including "rite in the
| rain" style polymer-sheet paper. This will help you transfer
| the muscle memory in a stepwise fashion.
|
| HTH
| stephen730 wrote:
| [dead]
| pmayrgundter wrote:
| I used to use Gimp for photoshop type operations but it's become
| unusable for me due to slowness, even with a M1 native build. No
| idea what's up.
|
| Tried Krita and it works great
| scetron wrote:
| Agreed. Just made the switch over to Krita from Gimp for some
| simple workflows. Everything feels much faster across Mac,
| Windows, and Linux. Also the tools somehow make a bit more
| sense out of the box.
| jonnycomputer wrote:
| I may start doing the same, at least when the tool-sets
| overlap.
|
| Any experience using it's python scripting tools? I've done
| some scripting with gimp, but the documentation is really
| really poor and it was a much more frustrating experience
| than it ought to have been.
| hallarempt wrote:
| https://scripting.krita.org/lessons/introduction might
| help.
| scetron wrote:
| Haven't delved into the scripting just yet.
| optymizer wrote:
| I use photopea for the simple stuff
| Wistar wrote:
| Photopea is pretty darn good. Especially if you are or have
| been a Photoshop user.
| hirako2000 wrote:
| Same. I find gimp even lagging behind photoshop which itself
| can be a clog. A shame since Gimp is a fantastic app.
|
| Krita is a complete replacement at this point. And, its
| features caters to drawing/painting to a greater degree than
| photoshop, by far. The brush engine is phenomenonal and just
| for this has become my favorite drawing tool.
|
| Two tools into one. Snappy fast even on OSX, and feels very
| much native visually.
|
| Tip: Veikk manufactures great 8192 pressure sensitivity A4 size
| tablets for about 40 to 60 bucks. Packed with extra nibs and
| everything . Krita and this obscure made of tablets plugged
| onto a commodity laptop is the best value artist station for
| all sort of digital work.
| cynthedesign wrote:
| How many of us are in the boat where we have thousands of
| hours on adobe products to unlearn in order to be able to use
| GIMP without pulling our hair out?
| thomastjeffery wrote:
| This is precisely why Adobe, Microsoft, and Autodesk give
| colleges and universities free licenses for their products.
|
| The entire industry of digital tools has hung itself on
| these magic words: "industry standard".
|
| All the while, free software like Krita, Linux, and Blender
| have become viable, if not substantially better,
| alternatives to their proprietary incumbent counterparts.
| Practically every need that the industry has can be met
| using free tools. The hardest part is simply convincing
| people to use them.
| xigoi wrote:
| Also applies to Matlab.
| snvzz wrote:
| Most of the work has gone into the development head for several
| years now, so the stable 2.x releases would seem slow and
| clunky.
|
| The good news is that the 3.0 release is expected to finally
| happen this year, and hopefully they'll adopt a more frequent
| release strategy thereon.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| Gimp has not yet been converted to GTK 3 and now GTK 4 is out.
|
| Gimp looks pretty bad in HiDPI and the GTK 3 build is not yet
| stable.
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| Ardour has not yet converted to GTK 3 and now ....
|
| does it matter?
| pmayrgundter wrote:
| I used to use Gimp for photoshop type operations but it's become
| unusable for me due to slowness, even with a M1 native build. No
| idea what's up.
|
| Tried Krita and it works great
| INeedMoreRam wrote:
| [dead]
| tomalaci wrote:
| Are there any good AI inpainting and outpainting plugins for
| Krita?
|
| Also, how well would it work with handling thousands of small
| picture objects (e.g. placing props on a multi-layer DnD map)?
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