[HN Gopher] 'Indiana Jones 5' will feature a de-aged Harrison Fo...
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'Indiana Jones 5' will feature a de-aged Harrison Ford for the
first 25 minutes
Author : aheck
Score : 38 points
Date : 2023-04-26 20:43 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| javajosh wrote:
| On first principles, this is unfortunate. A good example of how
| technology enables the old to maintain a grip on power. I
| generally like Harrison Ford and his movies, but deciding to
| continue with this franchise feels wrong, somehow. Undignified.
| Similar to Biden running again or Feinstein (or RGB!) not
| retiring.
|
| Let go, man.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| Real politicians being elected and leading people in real life
| is not similar to a movie studio trying to squeeze money from a
| nostalgic audience for a pure luxury purchase that no one has
| to buy.
| PKop wrote:
| Film and TV is a multi billion dollar industry that produces,
| whether purposeful or not, whether with nefarious intentions
| or not, mass media propaganda, memes and narratives that
| millions of people around the world consume, and which then
| informs their views on and understanding of the world,
| history, culture, the human condition etc. To say their is no
| power involved in this process is naive.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
|
| "... the father of public relations". His best-known
| campaigns include a 1929 effort to promote female smoking by
| branding cigarettes as feminist "Torches of Freedom", and his
| work for the United Fruit Company in the 1950s, connected
| with the CIA-orchestrated overthrow of the democratically
| elected Guatemalan government in 1954. He worked for dozens
| of major American corporations including Procter & Gamble and
| General Electric, and for government agencies, politicians,
| and nonprofit organizations.
|
| Of his many books, Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923) and
| Propaganda (1928) gained special attention as early efforts
| to define and theorize the field of public relations. Citing
| works of writers such as Gustave Le Bon, Wilfred Trotter,
| Walter Lippmann, and Sigmund Freud (his own double uncle), he
| described the masses as irrational and subject to herd
| instinct--and he outlined how skilled practitioners could use
| crowd psychology and psychoanalysis to control them in
| desired ways."
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Randolph
|
| Marc Bernays Randolph - an American tech entrepreneur,
| advisor and speaker.[1] He is the cofounder and first CEO of
| Netflix. Another paternal great-uncle of Randolph was Edward
| Bernays, an Austrian-American pioneer in the field of public
| relations and propaganda.
| yieldcrv wrote:
| Analogies compare _dissimilar_ things with a common attribute
|
| Up to you to figure out the context or point out how there
| are _no_ common attributes, or just how you don't understand
| it for clarification, there's almost never a reason to
| unilaterally correct a person making an analogy
| sho_hn wrote:
| He's said it's the last time he will play the character, and
| that he won't be involved with the upcoming TV show. In a quite
| stern way, saying he "expects that it will be the last time you
| see the character", i.e. making sure that future digital
| resurrections will get bad press for going against his will.
| yamtaddle wrote:
| 4 should have been a hand-off to a grown up Short Round, who'd
| carry the franchise from there. '60s geopolitics were full of
| conflicts and great power games in relatively-wild regions
| featuring the ruins of cool ancient civilizations and such,
| would have been great. Southeast Asia, parts of Africa, some
| stuff going down in South America, tons of fertile soil for
| '60s-updated Indy. Put it in the early 60s and Short Round
| ("Actually, I go by Wan Li these days--Junior.") could start at
| about the same (fictional) age Indy did in the first three
| movies.
|
| Instead we got... what we got.
| legerdemain wrote:
| Likeness courtesy of Harrison Ford.
|
| Body movement by Jackie Bradshaw.
|
| Facial acting and expressions from Tony Armstrong.
|
| Nose performance (closeups) by Vic Ganderton.
|
| Hands: Industrial Light & Magic
| oblak wrote:
| At best, we might get another awesome south park episode out of
| this
| excalibur wrote:
| > Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark
|
| Tell me you're under 30 without telling me you're under 30.
| orra wrote:
| Next people will be calling "Star Wars" "A New Hope" or
| "Episode 4"!
| strictnein wrote:
| Agreed, but... Paramount refers to it that way as well.
|
| "INDIANA JONES AND THE RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK"
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xQSIdSRlAk
| Get ready for edge-of-your-seat thrills in Indiana Jones and
| the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
| hairofadog wrote:
| I don't know if it's true but I thought I read somewhere that
| they changed it so it could be sorted alphabetically in video
| stores, because people would go to the _I_ 's for _Indiana
| Jones_ , but then _Raiders_ would be way over there. Not a
| great reason and possibly not even true, but that 's the way
| I heard it.
| slibhb wrote:
| Didn't work so well in The Irishman:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqGV0IuodWE
|
| Something uncanny about his face. Takes me out of the scene.
| [deleted]
| lanartri wrote:
| ford is benjamin button at movies anymore
| cm2187 wrote:
| De-aging doesn't really work when the actors have the tonus of a
| 80yo like in The Irishman. You get those young looking actors
| that are mostly static, slow moving and struggling to stand up.
| Freire_Herval wrote:
| [dead]
| diogenescynic wrote:
| The fight scenes in The Irishman were so embarrassing.
| atleastoptimal wrote:
| Lucasfilm/Disney is hoping positive reviews of this tech will
| allow them to make unlimited CGI/AI/Deepfake movies in the future
| starring any actor from the past at any age, eliminating the need
| for an actor's involvement beyond a likeness rights contract.
| drybjed wrote:
| Who knew that The Congress (2013)[1] would be so prescient...
|
| [1]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1821641/
| adam_arthur wrote:
| Yes, they and others certainly will.
|
| Generative AI will bring about widespread deflation in the cost
| of entertainment... which will be great for society. Can't
| really put the genie back in the bottle once it's out.
|
| Why even pay licensing fees to existing actors? Just create
| your own personas to repackage. Of course there's some value in
| the immediate term to using recognizable likenesses, but not
| likely to be a longer lived trend.
|
| We can look back 10, 20, 100 years and easily recognize the
| huge benefits technology has brought to society, and still
| whenever something new gets created there are people that will
| fight it tooth and nail over very shortsighted concerns.
| lordnacho wrote:
| I wonder if it will extend to generating off-screen content
| like interviews and paparazzi photos.
|
| I think you're right though, it will happen. Probably in some
| cheap corner where it makes economic sense, then to the
| bigger roles. Perhaps you don't want to manage thousands of
| extras for battle scenes, paying them and feeding them. Just
| generate them. Then eventually you also end up doing away
| with minor speaking roles, then the big ones.
|
| The plot can also be generated. If you like fantasy, the AI
| can generate a new world for you with its own lore.
| adam_arthur wrote:
| Yeah, all kinds of applications.
|
| Fully generated and high quality voice acting for games.
| Likely much more realism and ease to open world generation,
| without using traditional procedural generation techniques
| or hand creating everything.
|
| Extras in movies and TV shows adding realism on a low
| budget. Voice overs of all kind.
|
| Virtual friends who give you attention without asking for
| anything in return. Human like AI to play games with.
|
| Content is the most important and impactful thing in the
| average person's life as it relates to leisure. The impact
| of mass deflation and an explosion in both quality and
| quantity of content shouldn't be underestimated.
|
| Much of society's problems can be solved by raising
| standards of living and giving people the means to live a
| more enjoyable life on less money.
| freitzkriesler2 wrote:
| The only deflation will occur for the producers and corporate
| owners. You, me, and everyone else will pay the same prices
| while 95% of these who went into making movies will be
| unemployed.
| adam_arthur wrote:
| Look up what a "competitive market" is, and the
| implications on cost to the consumer.
|
| To be more direct, if content is cheap for everyone to
| produce, then they will have to compete on price to get
| consumers to engage with their content. This is obvious
| from both historical record and first principles.
|
| Look at margins in any mature industry with high levels of
| competition.
|
| Its also clear from history that unemployment created by
| technology gets absorbed into other types of roles. How can
| the US have close to an all time low unemployment rate
| after the industrial revolution obviated so many factory
| jobs?
|
| People who fight technology have no understanding of
| history. Some lose, most win
| freitzkriesler2 wrote:
| >> Look up what a "competitive market" is, and the
| implications on cost to the consumer.
|
| I'll pass since I have more important things to do.
|
| I've worked with the industry (entertainment that is) and
| it is graft covered in glitz. Trust me, the major studios
| including Netflix all collude with one another. They'll
| use AI to drive down their costs while slowly creeping up
| their streaming fees.
|
| Deflation for me and not for thee is the name of the
| game, especially when it comes to AI.
| londons_explore wrote:
| > deflation in the cost of entertainment
|
| Or will it lead to an increase in the quality of the results?
|
| Anyone can make a very funny homemade movie on a shoestring
| budget in their backyard... But those aren't the movies that
| earn all the profits.
|
| Entertainment is a battle for attention, and whoever spends
| most tends to win most attention. And the amount you can
| spend depends on your expected revenue, which in turn is some
| chunk of everyone's entertainment budgets.
|
| So... If you invent a clever way to make movies cheaper... It
| won't make movies cheaper to make - it will just make the
| resulting films more elaborate.
| adam_arthur wrote:
| The two are effectively the same. If you produce a more
| valuable good with the same or fewer inputs, thats
| deflationary in real terms.
|
| There will always be content across the quality spectrum.
| Look at the hundreds of videos of Presidents playing video
| games or harry potter by balenciaga on youtube. These would
| never exist at this scale without generative AI due to
| level of effort required to create them versus ability to
| monetize the result.
|
| Suddenly many types of content are able to be created in a
| rapid and cost efficient way that weren't previously
| possible. Greater supply of content versus roughly neutral
| demand leads to lower prices (on average)
| rnk wrote:
| Harrison Ford keep saying this is the last one with Indiana
| Jones. It seems like he must have been careful to avoid signing
| over the rights to have a virtual Harrison Ford. At the very
| least he would be against it. I guess he's deep. Fake
| characters are going to get good enough that we can't tell them
| part and I'll be cheaper eventually than paying a real actor.
| And I don't look forward to that.
| epolanski wrote:
| Why not put some other generative AI oon top of that to
| further fuel the age of average?
|
| https://www.alexmurrell.co.uk/articles/the-age-of-average
| dmreedy wrote:
| I was thinking about this the other day as my family was
| watching the Obi Wan TV show.
|
| Darth Vader is in it, and he's a composite of I think only two
| actors this time; Hayden Christensen doing the physical
| performance, and a James Earl Jones-trained voice filter on him
| when he was in full costume. James Earl Jones got a line in the
| credits, but I'm not sure he read any lines.
|
| Got me wondering if LLM technology and its successors might
| yield fictional character/actor composites that no longer
| correspond to physical people anymore, Hatsune Miku, or
| Gorillaz-style. If there will be a time when Darth Vader is
| credited as being performed by Darth Vader. He already _is_ a
| composite as it stands.
|
| When too for the Marvel cast?
| commandlinefan wrote:
| I imagine this technology is only going to get better - I suspect
| it won't be long before Harrison Ford appears in dozens of movies
| every year even after his death.
| freitzkriesler2 wrote:
| Why deage when we can just have AI replace them entirely?
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| What makes you think that isn't the ultimate goal? Little by
| little CGI will cross more lines. Fully virtual actors are
| probably the wet dream of Hollywood.
| freitzkriesler2 wrote:
| That's what I was implying. Might as well go full ham.
| melling wrote:
| They keep referring to Indiana Jones being in his 30's but the
| character was supposedly born in 1899 so that puts him at 45 in
| 1944.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_(character)#:~:t...).
|
| "Mangold would "shoot Harrison on a Monday as, you know, a
| 79-year-old playing a 35-year-old, and I could see dailies by
| Wednesday with his head already replaced."
| yamtaddle wrote:
| They must be thinking of the age he was (roughly) in the first
| two movies, with 1936 and 1935 settings (respectively). He'd be
| 35 or 36 for _Temple_ , and 36 or 37 for _Raiders_.
| melling wrote:
| And he played 39 for the Last Crusade in 1989 (shot in
| 1988?). Ford was born in 1942 so the de-aging puts him at the
| same age as the Last Crusade.
| bluefirebrand wrote:
| What's the point of getting a 79 year old to physically do the
| acting if it's all digital after anyways?
| Aloha wrote:
| After watching Harrison Ford on 1923, it's because he mostly
| moves like someone half his age still, but also, he moves
| like _Harrison Ford_.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| I've watched Woody Allen's Midnight in Paris, with Owen
| Wilson acting like the usual Woody Allen insert. Good
| actors can convincingly imitate other actors.
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