[HN Gopher] Walt Disney Co to begin second wave of layoffs, cutt...
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       Walt Disney Co to begin second wave of layoffs, cutting several
       thousand jobs
        
       Author : LinuxBender
       Score  : 40 points
       Date   : 2023-04-24 16:58 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.reuters.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.reuters.com)
        
       | muro wrote:
       | I don't like that they basically treat employees as contractors -
       | take on many employees when they need them to build something,
       | then lay them off when the thing is built. This almost
       | externalizes costs for companies, moving the risk away from them.
       | This might be legal, but IMHO breaks a promise of "as employee,
       | you earn less, but you lower your risk and the employer will do
       | what they can to find a different role, as long as we stay
       | profitable".
       | 
       | All the big tech companies are thus encouraging their employees
       | to unionize through these actions, even though many of their
       | employees don't like unions.
        
         | throwawayjs wrote:
         | In some ways I feel like the trust between tech workers and
         | companies started to break down when engineers for the past few
         | years have been jumping ship every year or so to maximize TC.
        
           | mydogcanpurr wrote:
           | Why were they jumping ship to maximize TC? Was it because
           | raises are dead?
        
         | uni_rule wrote:
         | A union would not be necessary if they already had any sort of
         | corporate democracy. If such a thing does not exist the workers
         | there will find other means to make their voices heard.
        
       | bmitc wrote:
       | It bothers me so much with these big companies laying people off.
       | When you have over $80 billion in yearly revenue, in Disney's
       | case, it's just pathetic that you treat your people as your main
       | cost and liability.
        
         | ChatGTP wrote:
         | This is capitalism? It's ok though because the wealth will
         | trickle down.
        
         | chrisacky wrote:
         | It's all relative. DIS has 200k+ employees. Thousands of
         | employees could quite literally be less than 1% of their
         | workforce.
         | 
         | Is it reasonable for a company to make a change that effects
         | 0.5-1% of their workforce? I think yes. How about 2%? At what
         | point do the lines get blurred in your judgment?
        
           | kelseyfrog wrote:
           | The problem with framing this as a threshold question is that
           | it relies on Sorites Paradox to work. That invalidates it in
           | my mind because it rules out 0, 100, and every number in
           | between. There's no way to rationalize justification for a
           | particular numerical threshold from non-numerical qualifiers.
        
         | scarface74 wrote:
         | So the alternative is that you don't lay people off - ever?
         | 
         | Employees are the main cost in many companies.
        
         | xhkkffbf wrote:
         | Announcing layoffs can be good for employees. Let's say you're
         | going to shut down some project-- something that every company
         | must do, but big companies must do all of the time. If you do
         | quietly without announcing any big shift, then the people
         | affected must try to explain why they left to future employers.
         | Now, at least, a future employer will say, "Oh yes, it was
         | brutal at Disney back then."
         | 
         | It's better not to lose your job, but if the economics dictate
         | that you must go, public "layoffs" have some advantages.
        
       | reset-password wrote:
       | These companies know that AI agents are coming at them hard and
       | fast. I think this and other layoffs are happening now so they
       | can cut down the numbers before the question becomes "Are you
       | replacing them with AI?".
       | 
       | Which tracks with it not impacting "hourly frontline workers
       | employed at the parks and resorts".
        
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