[HN Gopher] Bing Jail
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Bing Jail
Author : idarek
Score : 93 points
Date : 2023-04-23 15:30 UTC (7 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (dariusz.wieckiewicz.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (dariusz.wieckiewicz.org)
| pixelesque wrote:
| Bing crawler does in my limited experience seem pretty picky...
| It doesn't even seem to be able to follow HTTP->HTTPS 308
| redirects on one of my sites (it has successfully indexed
| another) - it makes requests to http:// for my site, gets a 308
| redirect to https://, and then does nothing with that, other than
| robots.txt requests.
| 2h wrote:
| because thats not the right way to do that. just look at the
| site you are on right now: > curl -i
| http://news.ycombinator.com/ HTTP/1.1 301 Moved
| Permanently Location: https://news.ycombinator.com/
| morkalork wrote:
| Does MS give/sell crawl data to OpenAI?
| [deleted]
| preommr wrote:
| A few weeks since Bing came back from the oblivion as a possible
| search contender and already we're getting the "big company can
| screw you over and there's nothing you can do about it".
|
| This was/is a problem with Google (search, youtube, gcp etc.)
| where people's income relies on these services and the company
| just doesn't care. I've seen a bunch of posts on HN about
| problems like this where the comments are full of other people
| sharing similar stories.
|
| It's depressing, but the takeaway is to be smart about keeping
| content separate between domains and being prepared for the
| hammer to fall at any moment.
| idarek wrote:
| A short story on how my website lost all indexed pages in Bing,
| affecting my presence in DuckDuckGo, secret blacklisting and
| classification as a splog by Bing AI
| nafnlj wrote:
| Very good article -- I am having the exact same issues (I run a
| lightweight writing site with original writing and no ads). One
| thing that caught my attention is the timing. Bing blacklisted
| my domain from web search results on January 14 after I had no
| issue with them for 2.5 years (interestingly, I wasn't fully
| blacklisted for image results but that doesn't help me much).
| The rest of your article, from lack of support and information
| to Bing Webmaster only identifying minor SEO issues has been my
| experience. My site has no indexing issues with Google, Yandex,
| Brave, or Mojeek... so whatever it is is Bing-specific. I agree
| with your point on DDG too. I also had more DDG traffic than
| Bing traffic, and losing a smaller number of Ecosia, Qwant, and
| Yahoo referrals is also unfortunate. Many people do not realize
| how many of the alternative search tools rely on Bing's index.
|
| Whatever is causing it -- I hope it is fixed soon.
| idarek wrote:
| Thanks!
| dazc wrote:
| Sites are delisted from Bing & DDG as a result of negative SEO
| attacks. I've experienced this multiple times and responded to
| a couple of threads on HN about it.
|
| The attacker doesn't care about your Bing listing, it's an
| unintended coincidence of an attempt to get your site deindexed
| from Google search that doesn't work.
|
| Google ignore bad links to your site, Bing don't.
|
| After two years I can confidently conclude that MS have done a
| great job of hiding this 'defect' and virtually nothing
| regarding the root cause.
|
| In my experience, the sites come back on their own eventually
| but with a lot of really weird URLs being indexed first (a sure
| sign of the original attack).
| nothingeasy wrote:
| Wow, TIL "negative SEO attacks."
| nadermx wrote:
| Has happened to my site as well, I gave up after doing
| around the same thing..
| https://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Apdf.to
| nixcraft wrote:
| I think that is not the correct syntax. I just search for
| redhat.com and suse.com
|
| https://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Aredhat.com
|
| https://www.bing.com/search?q=site%3Asuse.com
| mdaniel wrote:
| It must be doing some kind of personalization for you,
| because when I load those two links in an incognito
| window, the first page is made up entirely of links to
| the constrained domains. That differs from the parent's
| link which in an incognito window just displays some kind
| of bing-looking error message
| tough wrote:
| Seems like a great extortion business
|
| /s
| 2h wrote:
| [flagged]
| nitwit005 wrote:
| If I translate the main page from Polish, it has text that
| resembles what you'd expect from scams: "Quidco - collect your
| PS10", "Wise - transfer PS500 for free", etc. There's even a bit
| of preface text that seems to acknowledge some content sounds a
| bit a like a scam: "I've never been too sure about sites that
| offer so-called Cashback"
| dmix wrote:
| Seems to be a reference to this blog post?
|
| https://dariusz.wieckiewicz.org/quidco/
|
| The big question is if Bing will reindex it later, assuming
| this is the problem content (who knows).
|
| Sidenote: What is "cashback shopping"? I'm familiar with credit
| cards that do that but not websites. Is it scammy?
| rubenwardy wrote:
| I've had this exact same issue for the last year, Bing support
| have been useless. I'll do the same and write a blog post
| idarek wrote:
| Share the link if you do. Would like to read through your
| thoughts.
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