[HN Gopher] 4chan's used car buying guide
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4chan's used car buying guide
Author : carabiner
Score : 58 points
Date : 2023-04-19 17:05 UTC (5 hours ago)
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(TXT) w3m dump (i.4cdn.org)
| diarrhea wrote:
| Seeing Rust as a con in a Hackernews post, never thought I'd see
| the day!
| WorldPeas wrote:
| https://archive.ph/Me1KM
| everybodyknows wrote:
| Note that this is a ~10 Megapixel image.
| officeplant wrote:
| God I haven't seen one of these since around 2009. Completely
| forgot the auto board used to work these up.
| throwawaymobule wrote:
| The design reminds me of logicalincrements before it became a
| website.
| dsfyu404ed wrote:
| The older versions of this guide were way more "witty".
|
| The 4Runner would probably have had some quip about a roof top
| tent, balls in wife's purse. The Miata would have had the
| quintessential homosexual reference. The CTS would have had a
| joke about being a geriatric mfer. Stuff like that.
| mock-possum wrote:
| Oh 4chan
| carabiner wrote:
| It's a really good guide.
| jpeter wrote:
| I would love something like this for germany
| danlugo92 wrote:
| Everytime I ask someone who knows their way around cars, they
| recommend a Toyota.
|
| Why doesn't everyone just have a Toyota then? It's what every car
| guy I know recommends
| cactacea wrote:
| Personally I recommend Toyotas because they're no drama. You
| get in, turn the key and go where you need to go. When they
| fail they generally give you plenty of warning and will keep
| going anyway. Usually if you just do basic maintenance they'll
| run forever though. 300k miles isn't uncommon at all. I've put
| 130k on my 4Runner so far with absolutely no problems
| whatsoever (and I've taken it places in the desert most people
| have never heard of). I wouldn't hesitate to get in and drive
| 100 miles off pavement on a whim even with all that mileage,
| runs like the day I bought it.
|
| If you do need to work on them they're put together in a way
| that doesn't make you wonder wtf the engineers were thinking.
| I've owned and worked on cars from all of these brands as well
| as a few I'm probably forgetting:
|
| Toyota Chevy Ford Volkswagen GM (Saturn, Pontiac)
|
| My Saturn SL2 was the easiest American car I've ever worked on,
| lots of clearance to get to things. Ford was by far the worst,
| in order to remove the AC compressor I also had to remove the
| radiator (which necessitated a coolant drain and fill) and
| power steering pump because there was 1/4" less clearance than
| needed to pull the bolts. If I'd paid someone it would have
| been thousands in labor.
|
| By contrast I pulled and replaced the entire suspension on my
| 4Runner last summer in about 10 hours with just hand tools
| (upgrade, not replacing failed components).
| glofish wrote:
| It is the safest bet for someone you don't know much about.
|
| Much above reliability (that everyone wants) with tradeoffs
| (that we are unable to judge for others)
| lancesells wrote:
| Toyota owns Lexus. Maybe they can be included as well?
| cactacea wrote:
| Lexus is just a division of Toyota so yes.
| jnwatson wrote:
| It is kind of like asking an orthopedist about the best sport.
| They'd probably pick something boring like water aerobics.
|
| Reliability isn't always the most important characteristic of a
| car, especially now that reliability across all brands is
| dramatically better than just 30 years ago.
| doubled112 wrote:
| I find most of them boring to drive, which is exactly what most
| people want. If you have to ask, you probably fall into this
| category.
|
| It's going to get me there. It's going to keep running. It's
| not going to leave me stranded someplace.
|
| I like adventure, so I keep buying 15 year old German cars.
|
| What code will it throw today? Will it start? Will it run? Will
| something important fall off? Why are there electronics burning
| in the dash?
| to11mtm wrote:
| > 15 year old German cars
|
| That's a masochistic trait if I ever saw one.
| tobias2014 wrote:
| German cars not built in Germany, at least that's what I've
| heard about it.
| doubled112 wrote:
| I've kept my wife (and therefore kids) in something else
| all the years I've been driving.
|
| At least I'm enjoying myself by myself. If I have to push
| the car into a ditch and Uber, I will.
| tetris11 wrote:
| If you have endless money to throw down a hole for the sake
| of adventure, then I recommend getting into antiquing. It's
| fun, and it will destroy you.
| aynsof wrote:
| I recently looked at used cars, and there was an additional
| $20k 'Toyota tax' when comparing a Toyota to a similar model of
| Ford, Kia, Hyundai, etc. The features and feel of the Toyota
| were also about 10 years behind the other cars - the Toyota
| felt cheap. I ended up going for a different brand, despite my
| friends' recommendations to get a Toyota for reliability.
| to11mtm wrote:
| The 'Toyota'/'Honda' tax on used cars is real. I'd say Toyota
| is the main one who has earned it [0]
|
| The 'Subaru' tax less so... [1]
|
| Mazda is somewhat the exception here; a lot of their stuff is
| some branch of the Ford tech branch lineage, but they at
| least went down the path of 'not leaking coolant into
| cylinders' with their engine design.
|
| But I digress.
|
| It's an information problem because the owner may or may not
| know about engine/transmission/electrical[2] The the first
| two parts of that are -fairly- consistent across models...
| you'll see some cars that frequently sell at certain mileage
| points, and _sometimes_ part of that is because savvy owners
| know that it 's near a hard maintenance point (or common
| failure point.)
|
| [0] - Shift Flare on Aisin(Toyota) transmissions is far less
| of a real problem than many Honda 5 speeds, for example.
|
| [1] - I've found my Subaru, despite having a reputation for
| being 'touchy' was perfectly fine _up to the point an oil
| change was borked_. After that it 's been a slow downhill.
|
| [2] - These are the biggest 'money pits' in my experience,
| baring 'cooling system' issues that were actually engine
| design issues (looking at you, AMC I6 Grand Cherokee!)
| lesuorac wrote:
| Definitely not what I was expecting. I thought it was going to be
| a bunch of generic advice.
|
| I've never tried this one but I've heard you should write that
| you're looking for a project car and that'll get people to tell
| you every little issue the car has.
| oriettaxx wrote:
| note: north america only
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