[HN Gopher] Sweden starts largest military exercise in over 25 y...
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Sweden starts largest military exercise in over 25 years
Author : rntn
Score : 17 points
Date : 2023-04-17 21:51 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| dbrueck wrote:
| What a strange part of Putin's legacy.
|
| I'm still hoping for de-escalation, but frankly it feels like we
| could easily have an incident that causes things to spiral out of
| control, a la the start of WWI.
| TazeTSchnitzel wrote:
| I want to think the NATO countries are wise enough to not start
| WW3 if they get an excuse. If a fighter jet or something gets
| downed, it'd be in the interests of everyone to play it down.
| JumpCrisscross wrote:
| > _we could easily have an incident that causes things to
| spiral out of control, a la the start of WWI_
|
| I'm wondering if better comms and surveillance increase or
| decrease the chances of such a trigger. I'm leaning towards the
| latter. Mistakes can be shown to be as much, _e.g._ when a
| Ukrainian air defence missile hit Poland. And dialog doesn 't
| take days.
| remarkEon wrote:
| >NATO diplomats hope that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
| will approve Sweden's membership if he is confirmed as the next
| head of state following the Turkish elections next month.
|
| Awkward position to be in for NATO, since Erdogan has been a
| circuitous partner to work with.
| sebow wrote:
| I think it's a pretty clear-cut view forward from the turkish
| position: deny Sweden's ascension to NATO unless they give up
| all PKK members, which should be feasible since they (only)
| recently declared it to be the terrorist organization it is.
| It's really shameful that they did not do this until recently,
| so Turkey denying them previously is not surprising and
| actually understandable. What i want to add is that this
| position is gonna be taken by turkey regardless of whether
| Erdogan wins the next elections, which i'm very doubtful of (
| remember he campaigned on earthquake preventions, which given
| recent events will hurt him politically).
|
| Sweden will do what i've mentioned because they cannot afford
| not to.
| mrtksn wrote:
| What's not clear-cut tho is who is a PKK member, because you
| know, the terrorist organisations don't have very well
| organised membership program and an audit.
|
| In Turkey, anyone can be a terrorist. There's even this
| concept of "aiding terrorist organisation even though not
| being member of it" and aid can be anything from writing
| article which support their cause and the support often can
| be very broad too because you might be accused of supporting
| a terrorist organisation of you support something like the
| right of speaking the mother thong.
|
| All the issues arise due to the difference of terror
| definitions between Turkey and more liberal countries. In
| Sweden you can march with the poster of Abdullah Ocalan, the
| founder of the terrorist organisation, in Turkey you might be
| accused of supporting terrorist even if you say Mr. Ocalan by
| mistake(you are expected to parrot something like "baby
| killer" or at least "head terrorist").
|
| Another problem with the Turkish stance is that it's
| inconsistent. This terrorist organisation is not formed in a
| vacuum, it is a response to oppression on the Kurds by the
| Turkish state and the politicians can dial down the terrorist
| accusation down and talk about "Let's help mothers stop
| crying and discuss the issues and find an gun free solution
| on the issue" if it fits their current political position.
| nashashmi wrote:
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