[HN Gopher] Tech companie use the H-1B visa program at a time of...
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Tech companie use the H-1B visa program at a time of mass layoffs
Author : gadders
Score : 25 points
Date : 2023-04-17 20:34 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| avidiax wrote:
| What I would like to see for the H-1B program:
|
| * No more points, education requirements, etc. Application
| acceptance is sorted by total-comp for a minimum 2 year contract,
| highest wins. Bar is set at the 90th percentile, no more quotas.
|
| * Once they are in, from day 1 they can leave their contract at
| any time, and they have 1 year to find any job that has at least
| 80% of the total comp. New company has no paperwork to file.
|
| * No more country based green card quotas or backlogs. If they've
| been in the US in good standing for N years, they get the card.
|
| This system would mean that employers actually have to provide
| great working conditions and compensation to H-1B's, which
| preserves the working conditions for local workers. It removes
| the "2nd class" treatment of what are very valuable additions to
| the country.
| booleandilemma wrote:
| I would like to see the H-1B program abolished.
|
| I hate knowing that every H-1B employee I see is filling a job
| that an American could have had.
| epylar wrote:
| Why is it necessarily always better that an American has a
| job in the US vs a non-American?
| throwntoday wrote:
| H1-B should be only allowed in circumstances where foreigners
| are paid the same wage as their American counterparts, and the
| employer should have to front a sizeable fee to bring them in
| to disincentivize replacing American workers and incentivize
| training Americans instead.
|
| It's absurd that every other nation is allowed to prioritize
| the employment of their own people but the US should just bring
| foreigners in to do the job for less. H1-B is a total scam as
| it stands.
| podric wrote:
| H-1Bs actually tend to get paid higher wages than their
| American counterparts as per this 2017 Glassdoor study:
| https://www.glassdoor.com/research/h1b-workers/
| diebeforei485 wrote:
| > Application acceptance is sorted by total-comp
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| Trump implemented this but the courts rolled it back because of
| a technicality. The secretary of the department hadn't yet been
| confirmed by Congress, or something.
| umeshunni wrote:
| Pointless article, considering that companies that hired in early
| 2022 (since H1B petitions are due in March) could have done
| layoffs later in 2022 and in 2023.
|
| The totals are especially misleading, given that most of the H1Bs
| issued are for outsourcing companies, which by definition, have
| no US layoffs.
| tadfisher wrote:
| The authors go to great lengths to insinuate, but not state
| outright, that these firms are _replacing_ those laid-off workers
| with H1-B visa holders. They do this because the data is
| insufficient to draw said conclusion.
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| This data does exist for at least the top two firms discussed,
| because both Google and Meta are subject to the WARN Act and must
| provide public notice of the actual count of terminated employees
| broken out by job title, and the USCIS by necessity holds these
| records per-employee and -employer.
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| The argument for H-1B reform is compelling enough on its own
| merits, so it's unfortunate that "firm X laid off M people and
| hired Y people through H-1B" point is being used here. After all,
| these same firms hired more non-H-1B than they did H-1B employees
| during the same period.
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