[HN Gopher] Ethics, politics, and society in the age of artifici...
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Ethics, politics, and society in the age of artificial intelligence
(2020)
Author : sbdaman
Score : 27 points
Date : 2023-04-11 17:22 UTC (5 hours ago)
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| sbdaman wrote:
| An old favorite that might find new relevance with the growth of
| OpenAI. Substance of the article begins after the quote from John
| Stuart Mill. Some of my favorite passages:
|
| "One reason for my own skepticism is the fact that in recent
| years the AI landscape has come to be progressively more
| dominated by AI of the newfangled 'deep learning' variety [...]
| But if it's really AI-as-cognitive science that you are
| interested in, it's important not to lose sight of the fact that
| it may take a bit more than our cool new deep learning hammer to
| build a humanlike mind.
|
| [...]
|
| If I am right that there are many mysteries about the human mind
| that currently dominant approaches to AI are ill-equipped to help
| us solve, then to the extent that such approaches continue to
| dominate AI into the future, we are very unlikely to be inundated
| anytime soon with a race of thinking robots--at least not if we
| mean by "thinking" that peculiar thing that we humans do, done in
| precisely the way that we humans do it."
| pmoriarty wrote:
| It's not clear that "cognitive science" will be our savior
| here.. though I'm not opposed to them trying.
| guywithahat wrote:
| I'm confident in 10 years we'll look back on this and laugh at
| how people thought AI would take over, and in 200 years we'll be
| upset they didn't do more
| nh23423fefe wrote:
| > How shall we find meaning and purpose in a world without work?
|
| What? Everyone in the world is brain damaged enough to all keep
| repeating this useless idea.
|
| Work is just the shit you do for other people to stay alive. If a
| robot is doing that thing, I'll do something else. If robots do
| everything a person can do for zero marginal cost, then the we
| are in a post-scarcity utopia, why is that bad?
| sobkas wrote:
| > Work is just the shit you do for other people to stay alive.
| If a robot is doing that thing, I'll do something else. If
| robots do everything a person can do for zero marginal cost,
| then the we are in a post-scarcity utopia, why is that bad?
|
| We already live in post-scarcity thing(don't know if it is
| utopy or dystopy, but for some people it's former while for
| some later, for some reason I think dystopy have higher
| population), but the surplus of production is destroyed/put
| into landfills(with police security so no one can steal it from
| trashcan).
| flangola7 wrote:
| >Work is just the shit you do for other people to stay alive.
|
| A disheartening realization my sister-in-law pointed out is
| that we don't perform work, we perform _jobs_. Even the
| unemployed and retired have many jobs. Sibling, friend, parent,
| child, partner, spouse. Our most vital and rewarding jobs don
| 't have a uniform or an RFID badge, but the robots may
| nevertheless take them too.
|
| You and I might be hesitant to replace friends and family with
| artificial people but they might not feel the same way. Why
| risk rejection when compatibility can be programmed?
| SoftTalker wrote:
| Work and accomplishing tasks is baked into our sense of
| purpose. Look at anyone who's long-term unemployed. They mostly
| lay around ths house playing video games or watching TV at
| best, or they get involved in criminal stuff at worst.
| Alcoholism and drug abuse are commonplace. Neglect of
| dependents is commonplace.
|
| People need work to feel that their lives have meaning.
|
| Post-scarcity utopia is exactly that. A fantasy. If people have
| nothing to do then civilization will collapse.
| panxyh wrote:
| >> If a robot is doing that thing, I'll do something else.
|
| You'll do some other work.
| pmoriarty wrote:
| Power is going to be vacuumed up by few people who are good at
| doing that, and when the vast majority of the rest population
| is both comparatively powerless and useless to the elites, what
| incentive will the elites have to keep them around?
| politician wrote:
| It requires a collective leap of altruism for humanity to
| bridge the gap from "work for food" to a society free from
| scarcity. The most likely outcome is a society that drowns in
| its own selfishness as the fires that sustain our current world
| order cool.
| gensym wrote:
| In the land/labor/capital triad, the only thing that will be
| post-scarcity due to AI will be labor. Anyone who lacks one of
| the others will be screwed since the only they have to trade -
| their labor - will be worthless.
| SoftTalker wrote:
| If nobody can buy your land or trade your capital, what do
| you really have? We need the value produced by labor for
| there to be a market for anything else.
| eep_social wrote:
| > When the system does need a human pilot to do something, it
| usually just needs the human to expertly execute a particular
| sequence of maneuvers. Mostly things go right. Mostly the humans
| do what they are asked to do, when they are asked to do it. But
| it should come as no surprise that when things do go wrong, it is
| quite often the humans and not the machines that are at fault.
|
| Actually that's dead wrong, it is the system that is at fault
| here, rarely or never the human. Otherwise I thought this was a
| really good read.
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