[HN Gopher] Fanless ThinkPad x13s running Ubuntu 23.04 ARM64 wit...
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       Fanless ThinkPad x13s running Ubuntu 23.04 ARM64 with customized
       Linux kernel
        
       Author : nixcraft
       Score  : 26 points
       Date   : 2023-04-09 17:57 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | xuhu wrote:
       | Are there any other ARM64 Windows laptops which are further along
       | in terms of unofficial Linux support ?
        
       | StillBored wrote:
       | Seriously? I get that running Linux on random hardware is the
       | modern equivilant of getting doom to run on a toaster. But, this
       | machine has been out, what a year an a half (two?) now? And we
       | are talking about the battery indicator? Isn't that just part of
       | the ACPI battery spec, of which this laptop runs windows doesn't
       | it?
       | 
       | All this really says is that no one should touch this hardware
       | with a ten foot pole, given a random AMD laptop tends to work out
       | of the box, and costs 1/2 of that thing, and likely outperforms
       | it by 2x. And these days, most of these AMD integrated GPU
       | laptops are in the 3-4W range for the entire machine, running
       | linux+browser/etc. Which means your getting ~15-20hours battery
       | life with a 65Wh battery.
       | 
       | So, its someones fun hobby project to get it working in linux,
       | which will be useful when I see them on sale for $150, but until
       | then I will stick with laptops that are supported by their
       | manufactures and can have their firmware updated with fwupdate.
        
         | up2isomorphism wrote:
         | Why make such a big fuss, they are just having fun.
        
         | landgenoot wrote:
         | Can you give me an example of an AMD Laptop with 15-20 hours of
         | battery life on Linux?
        
           | felixg3 wrote:
           | Yeah. I've got a 6800HS Ryzen Notebook with a 70Wh battery
           | and I get like 8 hours out of it.
        
           | fb03 wrote:
           | I'm here for the same answer. I would buy one NOW.
        
         | jasonvorhe wrote:
         | This is ARM64, not Intel/AMD64.
         | 
         | ACPI has been terrible since forever, if you've ever tried to
         | run Linux on laptops.
         | 
         | I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here. "Hackers
         | shouldn't waste their time doing hacky stuff?"
         | 
         | I think this is an interesting achievement, even if the
         | layperson probably would be more suited for a laptop with
         | better ootb Linux support.
         | 
         | Running an M2 MacBook Air as my main work device, I wouldn't
         | touch non-ARM64 laptops for the time being.
        
           | qwytw wrote:
           | > I wouldn't touch non-ARM64 laptops for the time being.
           | 
           | Why? I would contribute most of that success to Apple's
           | engineers/management not to the CPU architecture. I mean
           | Qualcomm still seems to be behind not only Apple but also AMD
           | and even Intel if you need both high performance and high
           | battery life.
        
             | my123 wrote:
             | BTW the ThinkPad X13s battery life is amazing, far ahead of
             | any x86 laptop that you can buy today.
        
         | tadfisher wrote:
         | Is the focus of your ire the user who got Linux working, the
         | hardware vendor, kernel developers, the person who submitted
         | this to HN, or all of the above?
        
         | waynesonfire wrote:
         | couldn't agree more. I'm all for hacking together hardware but
         | these read like it's a solved problem, finally, linux on the
         | laptop! Each and every time, the battery life is garbage,
         | suspend is broken, and wifi barreeellly works, like it's 1995.
         | And, in 1995 that was a cool feat. Today, these read like a
         | broken record. Can we set the bar a bit higher beyond just
         | booting into a shell?
         | 
         | And, these are just the issues out the gate. Unfortunately,
         | these are dealbreakers especially when there are competitive
         | options available that are not gimped.
         | 
         | Forking over 2-3k to see how far I get is something I have no
         | appetite for.
        
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