[HN Gopher] I think I'm not alone that Mastodon is giving me the...
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I think I'm not alone that Mastodon is giving me the ick
Author : dustedcodes
Score : 17 points
Date : 2023-04-05 20:08 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| hombre_fatal wrote:
| I think this is inevitable when your community is basically a
| splinter group from some incumbent which ends up being an
| identity-level trait of that splinter group.
|
| It contributes to a culture of NOT being like the incumbent
| instead of a culture of existing alongside the incumbent. Another
| example would be Reddit clones like Voat and, sometimes, even HN.
|
| When I was a pre-teen, I was banned from NeoGAF, the massive
| gaming forum, and joined a forum that was basically a bunch of
| NeoGAF rejects. While I enjoyed it at the time, it could never be
| its own stand-alone gaming community and, a decade later, still
| wasn't. Sometimes you _had_ to know about NeoGAF and its current
| events if you wanted to fit in and understand content on the
| splinter forum, yet the splinter forum also would want you to
| believe they weren 't in fact chomping at the bit for more
| NeoGAF/evilore drama.
|
| Mastodon reminds me of that, especially after Musk's purchase of
| Twitter where Mastodon became even more toxic and gleefully
| adolescent in its anti-birdsite-isms.
| jandrese wrote:
| On the other hand 4Chan was basically formed when
| Somethingawful kicked a bunch of weebs off of their forums.
| They somehow managed to find their own identity.
| tekla wrote:
| As far as I can tell, the only people who moved to Mastodon are
| the people who are REALLY tuned into Twitter rage, aka the super
| insufferable ones.
|
| Most people seem to be just fine continuing the normal
| shitposting and whatever on Twitter.
| KerrAvon wrote:
| You don't seem to care that the sole owner of Twitter is a Nazi
| billionaire and any time you post there you're working for him
| for free?
| kranke155 wrote:
| Define Nazi
| mcv wrote:
| I don't see enough evidence that Musk is a Nazi, but he
| does seem more fine with Nazis than with people who
| disagree with him. Twitter is slowly turning into his
| private propaganda network. It's entirely reasonable to
| look for something better.
| krapp wrote:
| I suggest "Nazi adjacent" to describe people like Elon,
| who don't hold explicitly white supremacist, racist or
| anti-semitic beliefs (that we're aware of) but who seem
| to find camaraderie with such people out of a common
| disdain for "the wokes."
| lapcat wrote:
| I think the "Nazi" epithet just shows a lack of
| imagination and historical knowledge by those who use it,
| basically Godwin's Law exemplified. After all, on the
| American side, the Confederacy predated Nazi Germany by
| 70 years or so, and with regard to Musk, he comes from
| South Africa with its own history of Apartheid, so there
| are much more relevant antecedents, if you want to go
| there. It feels like "Nazi" has become a just an empty,
| generic stand-in for "really bad". To be honest, it's
| difficult for me to take anyone seriously who throws it
| around like that, regardless of how I feel about the
| target of the insults.
| mcv wrote:
| Depends on what you mean by "insufferable". The people who
| moved to Mastodon include people like Stephen Fry and Neil
| Gaiman. If that's your definition of insufferable, then please
| stay on Twitter. There's significantly less shitposting on the
| Fediverse than on Twitter, though probably more on Mastodon
| than on other parts of the Fediverse.
| lapcat wrote:
| > - People get real nasty about others going back to "the
| birdsite"
|
| > I want to focus on the last point because this has definitely
| been a contributor to my recent ick. I've noticed a few folks
| getting frankly, horrible about people moving back to Twitter
| recently and I think it's a bit unfair.
|
| I think it's a bit unfair to say that "Mastodon" is giving you
| "the ick" when you really mean that a few folks on Mastodon are
| giving you the ick.
|
| I'm on Mastodon, and I haven't seen this at all. I'm not saying
| it doesn't exist -- a bunch of crap exists on every social
| network -- I'm saying that the author seems to be guilty of
| stereotyping the platform.
| tedunangst wrote:
| It's weird how the people who find mastodon icky never consider
| following less icky people.
| mcv wrote:
| Some people on Mastodon really do love to poke fun at Twitter
| though. I can imagine that real Twitter fans might not enjoy
| that much.
| lapcat wrote:
| Sure, I've definitely seen that. But that wasn't one of the
| author's complaints. Instead there was the rather strange
| complaint:
|
| > People relentlessly calling Twitter the "birdsite"
|
| Twitter users have been calling Twitter the birdsite since
| forever, so I don't get the criticism of Mastodon. Maybe now
| though we'll start calling it the dogsite.
| pisscel wrote:
| [flagged]
| [deleted]
| sdfghswe wrote:
| [flagged]
| 2022-11-07 wrote:
| Mastadon depends a lot on what instance you're on. You're
| community is primarily your instance and non-instance users are
| secondary (discovery is bad outside the instance). Unlike Twitter
| you have to be intentional about your community.
|
| I've been on Mastadon since before Musk said anything about
| buying Twitter. I never viewed it as a Twitter replacement, but I
| never spent much time on Twitter to begin with.
|
| I think a lot of people came to Mastadon to look for "Twitter but
| not Twitter". That's never going to exist. Not in decentralized
| form, not otherwise.
| lapcat wrote:
| > Mastadon depends a lot on what instance you're on. You're
| community is primarily your instance and non-instance users are
| secondary
|
| I don't agree with this at all. Most of my following and
| followers are on other instances, and that seems to be true of
| them too, unless you happen to be on the biggest instance
| mastodon.social, which has a disproportionate number of total
| Mastodon users, but as a result also doesn't have much of a
| "community" is such.
|
| New Mastodon users, especially Twitter refugees, tend to sign
| up for whatever instances happen to be available for signup at
| the time.
| 2022-11-07 wrote:
| It's interesting that we have such different experiences. I'm
| on a small instance that's mostly insular. I have a good
| experience anytime I'm looking at local feeds, but anytime I
| look at the global feed or search outside the instance the
| results are very low quality. I follow people outside my
| instance, but never ones I've discovered through Mastadon.
| lapcat wrote:
| Any social network is what you make of it. You can choose
| to socialize as much or as little as you want.
| voipu wrote:
| [flagged]
| 19throw19 wrote:
| [flagged]
| lapcat wrote:
| > I've been saying this for months now. Mastodon (and the
| Fediverse in general) is a failed idea. It may not be visible
| now, but it will be in a few years down the line.
|
| Funny, that's what we Mastodon users are saying about Twitter.
| ;-)
| 19throw19 wrote:
| [flagged]
| lapcat wrote:
| > I never had a Twitter account, and I don't even lurk
|
| Interesting. Do you have a Mastodon account? Or are you
| just making grand pronouncements about things that you're
| completely unfamiliar with?
|
| [EDIT:] And apparently you didn't have a Hacker News
| account until 15 minutes ago, so I have to wonder where
| exactly you've been allegedly saying things for months?
| 19throw19 wrote:
| [flagged]
| jandrese wrote:
| The bit about tone policing is under appreciated IMHO. If you are
| very careful to never offend anyone then you will never be
| influential. Influence is about changing people's mind and people
| may be offended when you challenge their preconceived notions.
|
| Now obviously you need moderation on large discussion platforms.
| The disproportionate effect of trolls can't be ignored, but it is
| possible and even easy at times to go overboard and create a
| space where nothing of value can be discussed. It's the sort of
| thing you see when people are complaining that a space feels
| stuffy and corporate.
| krapp wrote:
| I disagree. It's entirely possible to have discussions of value
| between people of differing beliefs without offense, certainly
| without _purposely seeking to offend._ That and the
| "influence" culture it creates is a large part of what people
| fled to Mastodon to avoid. You don't have a right to come into
| someone else's space and insist on telling them they're wrong
| about their beliefs or identity or whatever you take issue
| with. There are plenty of spaces on the internet where the
| rough-and-tumble of politics and argument and offense are
| welcome, but it doesn't have to be everywhere.
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