[HN Gopher] Amazon, despite climate pledge, fought to kill emiss...
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Amazon, despite climate pledge, fought to kill emissions bill in
Oregon
Author : hackermatic
Score : 45 points
Date : 2023-04-04 18:43 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.washingtonpost.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.washingtonpost.com)
| exabrial wrote:
| Climate pledges and green promises are _all_ marketing BS.
| Consumers fall for it. There's a name for it: Green Washing.
| squokko wrote:
| The emissions regulations are also marketing BS. Like Oregon
| can affect global CO2 levels.
| nebula8804 wrote:
| Every little bit counts.
| exabrial wrote:
| I think his point is: taking a teaspoon of water out of the
| ocean and bolding marching back into town proclaiming you
| fought ocean level rise is a little disingenuous.
| paulryanrogers wrote:
| This analogy seems out of proportion itself. There is
| only so much arable land on earth, and a large state is
| probably single digit percentage. Its energy needs are
| likely significant, even in the big picture.
| nebula8804 wrote:
| > taking a teaspoon of water out of the ocean
|
| A teaspoon is the wrong terminology in the context of
| Oregon given they produce 0.7% of the US's CO2 emissions.
| Because they are already producing so little CO2 a
| teaspoon elsewhere is a large improvement there.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_ter
| rit...
|
| > and bolding marching back into town proclaiming you
| fought ocean level rise is a little disingenuous
|
| given this is Oregon we are talking about, their idea of
| enacting meaningful change is different from other states
| idea of meaningful changes just due to the fact that
| Oregon has so much green energy already. So these little
| changes get them further to 100% reduction much easier
| and thus are meaningful in this context. Reading the
| article Amazon wanted to increase natural gas capacity
| because the biofuels are not yet ready in Oregon. It
| makes less sense to do this in a state like Oregon. Why
| are they even there in the first place? I assume it due
| to the cheap electricity (thanks in part to the natural
| renewable energy sources they already have)
| squokko wrote:
| Not when China is _building_ coal fired power plants. It 's
| like taking water out of the Titanic with an eyedropper
| saying "every little bit counts." Sometimes, it doesn't.
| barbazoo wrote:
| This is misleading, China is actually slooowly phasing
| out coal from its energy mix, see
| https://ourworldindata.org/energy/country/china (pretty
| far down). Yes, they're adding coal but they're adding
| renewables at a higher rate.
| squokko wrote:
| https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-
| building-...
|
| The US is hampering its own businesses so that Chinese
| businesses can belch even more CO2 into the air. Simple
| as that.
| paulryanrogers wrote:
| US industrialized sooner and belched far more in the
| past. China isn't perfect, yet does seem to be making big
| changes in the right direction.
| barbazoo wrote:
| Relatively speaking, China still appears to be reducing
| the the energy coming from coal compared to renewables.
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| Coal rose 2.3% in 2022 over 2021 due to an energy crisis
| (i.e. natural gas got really expensive). But overall this
| is correct.
|
| Having lived in Beijing when the air was routinely "crazy
| bad", the Chinese are very motivated to clean things up
| for their own good.
| decremental wrote:
| [flagged]
| nebula8804 wrote:
| Ok i'll bite. What are the ruling class's current desires?
| simplotek wrote:
| Amazon also pledged to be the world's best employer to then fire
| thousands by email.
| suddenclarity wrote:
| So in short, companies can't expand or build new due to lack of
| green infrastructure. The proposed solution is to make it illegal
| to use other than approved types of electricity. Amazon says it
| makes no sense unless the infrastructure is expanded as well.
|
| Seems difficult to disagree considering my country is burning oil
| to get through the winter. Shutting down production that takes 20
| years to rebuild was apparently a bad idea.
| paulryanrogers wrote:
| What production takes 20y to rebuild? Forests for wood burning?
| alfalfasprout wrote:
| At this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see articles about
| Amazon trafficking human children to use them as labelers for AI
| models. Very evil company.
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