[HN Gopher] Technical Solutions versus Processes
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Technical Solutions versus Processes
Author : greatNespresso
Score : 18 points
Date : 2023-04-04 08:09 UTC (14 hours ago)
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| k__ wrote:
| _" code ... is surrounded by context and history that you can
| usually browse at will"_
|
| Don't know what code that dude encountered, but that hasn't been
| my experience.
| aleksiy123 wrote:
| This could really benefit from a max-width that is smaller.
| hintymad wrote:
| Process has to do with people. Hire mature and proactive people,
| you don't need process but context. As company grows, both
| culture and talent gets diluted and managers get increasingly
| removed from reality while more mediocre managers get
| increasingly more worried about covering their asses. Naturally,
| processes ensue.
| onion2k wrote:
| _I now try to favor communication and investigation to reveal the
| underlying problem that the process was trying to solve._
|
| That sounds like a really great process.
| bloaf wrote:
| The fastest, most bug free code is the code that doesn't need to
| run.
|
| The most consistently implemented procedure is the one that
| doesn't require anyone to do anything.
|
| I agree that when looking at a process that seems bloated and
| inefficient, we should be mindful of the XY problem:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem
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| In my experience most procedures are created not due to a deep
| nuance to the problem space that makes procedures superior to
| automation, but rather one of the following:
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| 1. Leadership lacking the technical background to understand what
| automation would look like or accomplish. (In extreme cases, this
| can manifest as people creating processes that are redundant with
| automation capabilities built into the tools they are already
| using.)
|
| 2. Leadership lacking confidence that the organization has the
| skills or resources to automate effectively.
|
| > Bloaf, it's the employee's job to bring the case for automation
| to their leadership...
|
| 3. People in senior technical roles shooting down automation
| efforts because a significant amount of their expertise is
| "expertise in navigating existing processes" and they don't want
| this expertise to be undermined.
| lukew3 wrote:
| A well-designed technical solution removes the possibility of
| human error during execution. Given that computers are better at
| following instructions than humans, I don't see why you wouldn't
| try to automate as much as possible so that humans have a smaller
| set of processes to follow and keep track of.
| MilStdJunkie wrote:
| Because often no one remembers what the initial process was
| supposed to do in the first place, and if the original
| objective was a bad one, automating it makes it far worse.
| Example: a publication system vendor left a QA procedure that
| said "put a space character in the front of all these attribute
| values when they start with alpha". So the team methodically
| and wrist-slashingly hand-coded thousands of XML files so that
| they all had leading whitespace in their attributes. When I
| came on board, I didn't automate that process out of the gate,
| because leading whitespace in attributes is f@#ng dumb. If I
| did, I would have caused a lot more problems downstream - so
| this was a simple process that needed to really die, or at
| least get explained. Which, turns out, it did have an
| explanation: the vendor didn't understand how the FOSI print
| formatter worked, but they had this workaround that _seemed_ to
| work, so they handed it down. The real problem was being caused
| by a mishandling of the entire element in the data structure,
| which was a much bigger deal.
| jedberg wrote:
| At Netflix, our philosophy was to try and _remove_ process at
| every turn. If something bad happened, we 'd look at if there was
| a process in place, and if so where we could automate or remove
| that process for better outcomes.
|
| When change requests were not accurate, we removed change
| requests by automating auditing of the infrastructure, so people
| could see exactly what state it was actually in, instead of
| relying on change requests.
|
| When the process for paging someone broke down, we built
| automation for paging people.
|
| There were many other examples. But always we would look for ways
| to eliminate process, and for ways to automate around failures
| instead of introducing new processes.
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