[HN Gopher] Destreza
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Destreza
Author : pepys
Score : 25 points
Date : 2023-04-03 02:17 UTC (20 hours ago)
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| realworldperson wrote:
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| mankyd wrote:
| > [The sword fighting technique's] precepts are based on reason,
| geometry, and tied to intellectual, philosophical, and moral
| ideals, incorporating various aspects of a well-rounded
| Renaissance humanist education, with a special focus on the
| writings of classical authors such as Aristotle, Euclid, and
| Plato.
|
| Is there a specific term for the way people like to romanticize
| martial arts? I don't mean this to be dismissive of "Destreza" -
| I've only just learned of it - but I find it to be a common theme
| that people associate all sorts of strange fantasies around how
| best to hurt other humans. From the way people compare martial
| arts styles and the practitioners thereof, to the way guns are
| talked about, it seems a distinct phenomenon.
| mkl95 wrote:
| _Bullshido_ is probably the term you are looking for
| rcoveson wrote:
| > Is there a specific term for the way people like to
| romanticize martial arts?
|
| "Romantic" works pretty well if you consider the values of the
| Romans.
| EthanHeilman wrote:
| I don't think it is just martial arts. Any sort of knowledge or
| product being sold attempts to associate itself to the high
| status ideas at that moment in time. You are trying to sell a
| book on swordmanship to the sort of people with money and time
| to buy and read books. You want to explain to them why this
| book is better than other books they could buy.
|
| * "Tang! The space-age drink"
|
| * Better Living Through Chemistry cookbooks
|
| * "Quantum Diet Supplements"
|
| * Infinix will also feature an aircraft-grade aluminium finish
|
| * Pants that "mimics the surface of a lotus leaf using
| nanotechnology"
|
| * "The Czinger 21C is probably one of the most technologically
| advanced cars. Not only for what it is but, rather, from how it
| was made - with the help of A.I."
|
| * Firewalls that use ML to detect threats where ML is usually a
| simple pattern match
|
| * The defensive driving techniques in this course are based on
| recent advances in science of the human brain...
|
| The martial aspect enters into it because violence is often
| view as a low-status activity. This is because violence
| requires working with your hands, which the middle classes in
| most societies sees as beneath their social standing. For
| example see how middle class families in the US value a college
| education vs education in a trade school. This isn't just a US
| phenomena. The middle and upper classes value a humanist
| (liberal arts) education over trades or crafts. A fencing
| master selling a book on fencing is going to want to convince
| these people that the book isn't about hurting people but about
| self-improvement and having a well rounded humanist education
| based on universal humanist principles. See also how Summer
| camps, Karate schools and various ofter sports market
| themselves as teaching "self-discipline" and "confidence".
| 082349872349872 wrote:
| Consult _La Verdadera Destreza_ if you want a high ratio of
| theory to pragmatism with your swordplay; consult _Jeet Kune Do_
| 's channeling of Nadi et.al. for the opposite ratio.
| EthanHeilman wrote:
| Salvator Fabris also takes the pragmatic position, writing in
| his preface:
|
| "We have written in our mother tongue, Italian, dispensing with
| flowers of rhetoric and elegance of style, not thinking shame
| to acknowledge our little learning, or, following the example
| of a very famous captain of our age, to declare that in our
| youth we could not wield both the sword and the pen. [...] We
| have shunned the use of geometrical terms, although
| swordsmanship has its foundations more in geometry than in any
| other science. Simply and as naturally as possible we have
| tried to bring the art within the capacity of all. "
| EthanHeilman wrote:
| I attended some lessons on Thibault's Destreza [0] and it was
| fascinating. Thibault seems to be one of the more approachable
| Destreza systems.
|
| Most of texts on Destreza are near unreadable. This had lead to a
| theory that some Destreza texts are cover texts for occult
| practices or alchemical recipes. Such claims were remarked on
| both during the time the texts were published and in the present
| day.
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| [0]: https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/G%C3%A9rard_Thibault_d%27Anvers
| mkl95 wrote:
| > Avoidance of movement directly toward the opponent
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| > Use of an initial distance that is as close as possible, while
| remaining out of reach
|
| > Extension of the sword arm in a straight line from the shoulder
| to obtain maximum reach
|
| Modern boxing shares a lot of principles with destreza, including
| the ones I quoted above. Some of the similarities are almost
| uncanny, particularly when you compare it with the Soviet school
| of boxing.
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