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Less than half of us workers use all their vacation days
Author : mfiguiere
Score : 80 points
Date : 2023-04-01 20:28 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| duxup wrote:
| I used to make the schedule for a team of about 25 tech support
| team members.
|
| It was not unusual that I would assign vacation days to people
| who didn't use their vacation days and had reached the limit and
| stopped accruing vacation.
|
| We figured assigning vacation days was better than than have them
| miss out on days off / get burnt out.
|
| It was a good place to work, good people, the folks who just
| didn't take vacation just ... didn't. They didn't mind getting it
| assigned either, we always talked about it first.
| ghaff wrote:
| I'm sure there are all sorts of reasons including "Just not
| getting around to it" and "The company can't do without me." (I
| took a few month-long vacations at a former job and would have
| people basically ask me "How could you do that?")
|
| That said I'm also known people who really just didn't care to
| travel for the most part and got bored hanging around the
| house. (Though in that case, the strategy should probably be to
| just taking Friday's off.)
| duxup wrote:
| "I'd rather take vacation when the kids are in school." was
| also a common request ;) I always gave them whatever
| preference they had, it made scheduling easier anyway.
|
| Another guy just wanted to be at home with his horses and
| have time off when the kids were out of school ;)
| xwdv wrote:
| On paper I don't seem to take much time off.
|
| In reality I take a lot of time off, there's days where I
| literally will just report at a standup meeting and then do
| nothing else, while I go off and do something fun. This is "lite"
| PTO. I don't mind if I have to answer the occasional slack
| message to keep up the appearance of a busy person.
|
| To me, reporting a day where I just don't feel like doing
| anything as time off seems like a waste of a PTO day. I'd rather
| use official PTO for when I travel to some place far and will
| really be completely unavailable if anyone should try to reach
| me. This is "deep" PTO.
| zrail wrote:
| Yep, and I also have regularly scheduled real PTO. Every third
| Wednesday is a PTO day where I do personal projects or just
| watch TV or read a book. My company has unlimited PTO and I
| have no compunctions about using that to my advantage.
| xwdv wrote:
| Pretty cool but I don't like to tip my hand and prefer to
| maintain the illusion of an impossibly hard worker.
| einpoklum wrote:
| When I was reading this story, knowing how US vacation/PTO is
| something like 2 weeks per year or less - I was thinking: "This
| is so depressing, the US is hell for workers".
|
| But then I got angry, and thought: "Why aren't these people
| forming unions and going on general strikes? They used to do it
| in the late 19th century... that's how they got the 8-hour
| working day."
|
| And then I remembered that:
|
| 1. large existing US unions are often either corrupt or decrepit
|
| 2. US culture is horribly anti-worker
|
| 3. US corporations do almost everything to disrupt unionization
| efforts. Years back they would do absolutely everything including
| hiring mercenaries/saboteurs like the Pinkerton people
|
| ... so I need to cut them some slack.
|
| Anyway, my suggestion is to maybe try the wobblies:
|
| https://www.iww.org/
| scottLobster wrote:
| Anecdotally, I and most of my coworkers don't typically use all
| our vacation days because my company has a 300 hour accrual cap,
| and it can be useful to store up a big reserve depending on your
| objectives. I know some people who just maintain the cap and use
| their accrual hours each month so they aren't losing anything.
| tough wrote:
| I guess it's a neat psychological trick like airline points
| jldugger wrote:
| Well, every time you get a raise they're worth more at least.
| ghaff wrote:
| At least with an accrual max system, you can track your time
| and just start slowly bleeding it off when you get near the
| cap. With use it or lose it, it's easy to get near the cutoff
| date and now you have a bunch of time to use which may not be
| the best use for you while the company may also have to deal
| with a lot of people taking time off at the same time.
| TheAdamist wrote:
| My company has a 400 hour cap, and i bump along it for half the
| year.
|
| Maybe one week of actual vacation a year, it takes time to plan
| and _money_ to actually go anywhere. And then you need a
| staycation after to recover from the "vacation" anyway.
|
| Bigcorp though.
| ghaff wrote:
| Totally different from my experience. But it sounds like you
| don't actually like to go on extended vacations (or at least
| prioritize to do so).
| everly wrote:
| Living in CA, I always keep a lot of accrued PTO because it is
| paid out to me if/when I leave the company. It's a nice buffer
| between jobs or whatever, which is more valuable to me than
| multiple-week vacations.
|
| This is the main reason I dislike unlimited PTO policies.
| ghaff wrote:
| In addition to company culture, that's one of the big divides.
| I've always maximized the vacation I took including month-long
| trips. The only time I got a significant payout was when I got
| laid-off during dot-bomb and I hadn't filed the paperwork for
| the vacation I had just taken yet.
|
| I've also only had 4 jobs in the last 35+ years.
| no_wizard wrote:
| With "unlimited time off" becoming more common I wonder how
| that's accounted for over time. Some places are really explicit
| with handbooks that say they expect people to take "4 weeks off"
| a year (this was one place I worked) and others don't
| specifically say a number like that.
|
| I think it's kind of a shame and I'd like to go back to split PTO
| and sick time
| lozenge wrote:
| The idea of sick time being metered seems crazy to me, the
| intention is to get people into work when they're sick?
| Ekaros wrote:
| It gets complicated with longer sicknesses. But with
| something sort term like hard hitting flu or food poisoning
| the person isn't probably doing much work anyway. Being stuck
| in bed or bathroom likely means that not much work is done.
| And it is more humane to just give that time off straigh and
| not count any days on those cases.
| ghaff wrote:
| Large companies do generally have short-term and long-term
| disability benefits in addition to pooled PTO or sick time.
|
| But they have some limits after which it becomes government
| or individual insurance.
| kayodelycaon wrote:
| I think it's more that companies want to restrict how much
| time you're taking away from them.
| HideousKojima wrote:
| The intention is that if you're sick for such an extended
| period of time that you cannot perform your job duties any
| more, the company no longer has to pay you (i.e. they fire
| you).
| pengaru wrote:
| > With "unlimited time off" becoming more common I wonder how
| that's accounted for over time.
|
| "unlimited time off" means it's not accounted for at all. You
| basically play unaccounted hooky at will and whether you get
| away with it depends on how cooperative your team/management
| is.
|
| Finance is totally oblivious because it's not a "benefit" part
| of your compensation package anymore. HR only hears about it
| when you didn't get away with it and management is building a
| case for firing you.
| dunham wrote:
| And they don't have liabilities on the books for accrued PTO.
| no_wizard wrote:
| I didn't mean books accounting, i meant in studies like these
| and others. Since the guidelines become murky, how do you
| really account for how much workers are taking off more
| broadly?
|
| It leads to an obfuscation of the data over time, I think.
| pengaru wrote:
| They're one in the same though. If the time off isn't on
| the books, it's definitely not making it into any study's
| datasets no doubt sourced indirectly from those books via
| some employment-related TLA...
|
| Understanding the inherently undocumented ad-hoc nature of
| the "unlimited time off" scam makes it pretty obvious IMO.
| ghaff wrote:
| IMO unmetered time takes a real commitment from senior
| management to work fairly which, yes, probably means some
| reasonable typical guidelines. I'm not a fan of limited but
| combined PTO and sick time though, fortunately, it's never been
| a real issue for me and, in fact, I've almost certainly come
| out ahead at the end of the day.
| [deleted]
| throwaway6734 wrote:
| >I'd like to go back to split PTO and sick time
|
| What's the benefit compared to having a single bucket?
| ghaff wrote:
| Because, historically, you had vacation which you planned for
| and sick time which you did not--but which was just there if
| you were sick up to often fairly generous limits (or just
| have a lot of doctor's appointments). Being laid up with the
| flu or an unexpected surgery for a week didn't mean you
| potentially had to cancel your vacation that year.
| Uvix wrote:
| There's better solutions to that, like allowing carryover
| (if people don't need to schedule all their PTO to be used
| before year's end, they can have some "slop" for unexpected
| needs), and/or allowing a certain amount of PTO to be used
| in arrears.
|
| If you separate out vacation and sick time, then employees
| need to lie to use all of their time off.
| ghaff wrote:
| >If you separate out vacation and sick time, then
| employees need to lie to use all of their time off.
|
| This was historically mostly not a problem. People took
| vacation and they used sick time if they needed to
| (including I'm sure for the occasional hangover). Sick
| time wasn't "your" time to use up in the normal course of
| events. But it was there if you needed it. Sick time was
| never viewed as a benefit to maximize any more than
| health insurance was.
|
| Pooling them still leads to a "sucks to be you if you
| need to take a lot of sick leave." I guess that you can
| argue that's not the company's problem. But to me that's
| a generally un-empathetic attitude.
| kayodelycaon wrote:
| For someone with a disability, having combined PTO and sick
| time basically means taking time off to remain healthy means
| you don't get time off to actually do anything with your
| life.
|
| Sick days aren't vacation for me. I'm generally too depressed
| or manic to function. I'll usually drive to a park or the
| local zoo to walk so I'm not sitting in a chair, too anxious
| or tired to get up. Somehow that's "vacation" time because
| I'm able to (or need to) leave my house.
| fm2606 wrote:
| 1000% this.
|
| I have routine procedures that require 2 days just for the
| procedures. Then a half day for travel. The hospital is 2.5
| hours away. One of those days is a prep day so I don't
| venture to far from the hotel.
|
| And this is a yearly occurrence. Now if I have an acute
| episode that is a 3 day stay (at a local hospital). Which,
| luckily this only happens every other year or so.
|
| Basically if I take any time off that is true vacation days
| I have to make sure I have plenty of days on the books in
| case I get sick or know I will be having to make doctor
| appointments in the next few months.
| kayodelycaon wrote:
| I'm out a lot more frequently than that. If I actually
| took the time I needed, it would be 2~3 days each month.
| I usually want to take a minimum 12 days of vacation per
| year to attend conventions and visit people.
|
| The end result is me spending a week or more per month
| being barely functional. I'm at my desk, poking at code I
| don't have enough brain power to understand. But, better
| to "work" than get in trouble for not being visibly at my
| desk.
| fm2606 wrote:
| Sorry to hear that.
|
| As far as diseases go I guess I'm fairly fortunate. I
| don't have to manage it day-to-day but it is always in
| the back of my mind.
|
| If I had known in my teens and 20s I'd end up with this
| type of disease I'd have done drugs and raw dogged some
| hookers, at least I'd be able to point to a reason for
| having a bad liver. /s
| no_wizard wrote:
| In the US, you can use sick time for these things, BTW.
| Things that are required for care are legally allowed to
| be used as sick time instead of PTO.
|
| I think the unlimited time off loophole damages the sick
| time more than actual vacation, as others have pointed
| out in this thread, which is the real shame.
| hospadar wrote:
| This this this. Split PTO is an accommodation for disabled
| and chronically ill folks that allows them to have actual
| vacation and also take care of themselves. Unified PTO
| penalizes people who need time off work to care for
| themselves regularly.
|
| If you're disabled/chronically ill you maybe be able to use
| intermittent FMLA (in the US) to take more sick time but
| this is unpaid and can be a big hassle, esp if your
| employer/doctors are not supportive/cooperative (which can
| be a result of incompetence/ignorance as easily as malice)
| kayodelycaon wrote:
| I have ADA accommodations for intermittent leave, which
| is about as good as it gets, but I'm required to use my
| PTO before going unpaid. Once I'm unpaid, I don't have
| PTO to use.
| zikduruqe wrote:
| Unlimited PTO means the company does not have to pay your
| unused vacation time when you leave; voluntarily or not.
|
| Remember, HR isn't there for you, it is there to help the
| company.
| siliconc0w wrote:
| In my experience it's hard to get redundancy, teams are run lean
| enough (esp today w/ layoffs) that there isn't really much slack,
| deliverables and work doesn't really go away, it just piles up
| until you get back. It's usually almost a job in itself handing
| things off so things don't drop to the floor.
| freetime2 wrote:
| https://archive.is/9zfR2
| jwie wrote:
| There's likely some nuance here.
|
| Lets say a worker has nominally 10 days off per year. What the
| company does practically is if you take more than 6 days off is
| start writing you up. Theoretically you could take 10 days but
| any infraction would result in termination. The practice ensures
| employees are always dismissible for cause unless they don't use
| vacation days.
|
| Not all companies use such tactics on their workforce, but enough
| do to make it a systematic problem.
|
| Mandatory payout at 100% for unused PTO, and a ban on use-or-lose
| would be a good start.
| messe wrote:
| > 10 days off per year
|
| I forget how dystopian the US is at times.
| SapporoChris wrote:
| 10 days of personal time off and 11 federal holidays.
| Basically 4 out of 52 weeks off a year. It's really not that
| dystopian.
| messe wrote:
| Compared to 20 days off (minimum), and unlimited sick
| leave, plus holidays. Yes it is.
| ArteEtMarte wrote:
| My PTO is in addition to bank holidays, which I think is
| the equivalent to your federal holidays. A quick count
| shows that there are 10 bank holidays in the UK this year.
| Whichever way you slice it, American workers are getting
| screwed.
| ArteEtMarte wrote:
| Agree. It's unbelievable from a European perspective.
|
| Here in the UK, I get 28 days PTO per year. I can carry
| forward up to 5 days into the next year. But once you've done
| that once, you're pretty much committed to taking at least 28
| days off the next year, because it's not really acceptable
| (from a company perspective) to lose PTO. We're strongly
| encouraged to spread the time off over the year, and to use
| up our allowance. Anybody here that only took 10 days per
| year would be having a chat with HR about healthy work/life
| balance.
|
| I genuinely struggle to understand how it's possible to have
| anything like an enjoyable existence with only 10 days off
| per year. I mean, that's all your PTO gone for only a single
| 2 week vacation. Not even a single spare day for a duvet day.
| Symbiote wrote:
| You'd probably find HR require taking the legal minimum, 20
| days, but the rest could be ignored if the employee refuses
| to take the time off.
|
| They can be stricter (forcing all time to be taken) in
| finance.
| Zircom wrote:
| More like a one week vacation, if you're lucky. You're
| forgetting that most of us don't have separate sick leave
| so PTO has to get used for sick days, dr appointments, etc.
| My first company I worked for wouldn't let you take any
| time off unpaid until you were out of PTO, so if you got
| the flu and were out for a week, there goes half your
| yearly vacation.
| black_puppydog wrote:
| You say "there's more nuance" but what I read here is "it's
| actually worse than that."
|
| I thought it was "just" about toxic culture but this reads like
| there are quite concrete methods of coercion at play.
| jwie wrote:
| I meant more, it's not like people aren't using as much as
| they can. It's that there's some tactics used against
| workers.
|
| This happened to an in-law who works for a soft drink
| distributor, but this kind of thing happens often in decent
| wage but lower end jobs, the 20-40/hr range.
|
| At the high end it's more workaholics or people looking to
| get promoted. On the lower rungs it's coercion and games by
| HR to manage people out and claw back vacation days.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| No state is going to accept that terminating someone for using
| their accrued vacation is a legitimate for cause termination.
| Zircom wrote:
| Lol no. Assuming at-will employment, which is the vast
| majority of the US workforce, "using all your vacation days
| yearly" is not a protected class so they are absolutely able
| to fire you for it.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| The significance of a for cause termination is to keep
| unemployment benefit insurance premiums low for the
| employer, because the terminated employee is made
| ineligible for unemployment benefits.
|
| Of course any employer not in Montana can simply terminate
| anyone at anytime for no reason, but then there is no
| reason to write up anyone.
| A_non_e-moose wrote:
| And is using all accrued vacation days ever expliticly
| mentioned as contributing towards termination reason or is
| something else used as a cover?
| devinprater wrote:
| Lol we only get 5 days of PTO, personal leave.
| acd wrote:
| US should add an extra week of vacation.
| pessimizer wrote:
| Extra? There is no required vacation time in the United States,
| so an extra week would be one week.
| kube-system wrote:
| The US would have to establish a law regarding mandatory
| vacation time before they could start adding to it.
| cableshaft wrote:
| The state of Illinois did just that this year. They aren't
| even the first state to do it.
|
| "Gov. Pritzker Signs Historic Legislation Guaranteeing 40
| Hours of Paid Leave
|
| Governor JB Pritzker today signed SB208 into law, making
| Illinois the third state in the nation, and the first in the
| Midwest, to mandate paid time off to be used for any reason.
| The historic legislation provides employees with up to 40
| hours of paid leave during a 12-month period, meaning
| approximately 1.5 million workers will begin earning paid
| time off starting in 2024."
|
| https://www.illinois.gov/news/press-release.26164.html
| itake wrote:
| If companies are willing to give me an extra week, I'd prefer
| taking that week in cash.
| ghaff wrote:
| Maybe it's better value to the company for you to get some
| more relaxation.
| VLM wrote:
| I always find this weird as the closest big city to where I live
| had striking workers executed (as in gunned down in the street)
| for striking, so everyone takes them all, even a century later.
| szundi wrote:
| In Hungary I as CEO am legally bound to kick people out to use
| their vacation days.
| freetime2 wrote:
| On paper I've never used up all my PTO, even though in reality I
| was probably taking more time off than I was allotted. None of my
| managers have ever cared, and one of my first managers even
| explicitly told me not to bother reporting PTO ("you can get a
| nice check when you leave for unused PTO").
|
| Obviously this varies from place to place, but I believe the
| practice was pretty widespread in silicon valley at least. And
| this was one of the justifications for companies moving to
| "unlimited" PTO policies - employees weren't reporting PTO
| diligently, and they didn't like having to pay people out when
| they left.
| leetrout wrote:
| IMO its the only (shitty) justification.
|
| Unlimited PTO is a scam.
| teaearlgraycold wrote:
| I prefer unlimited PTO. I can see toxic workplaces making it
| worse than the alternative. But I've only worked in places
| where it was no issue for me to take 4-5 weeks off per year
| on their unlimited vacation policy.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| Well, yeah. Everything is easy in a functional workplace.
| You can even have de facto unlimited PTO while not having
| it officially.
|
| Official Unlimited PTO is a scam because of how easy it is
| to abuse in toxic workplaces. It's a shortcut for saying
| there's no minimum and you can take vacation when
| everything is caught up (nothing is ever caught up).
| teaearlgraycold wrote:
| I was lucky enough to work at copy.ai as they were
| defining their PTO policy and got the CEO to agree to
| unlimited PTO along with a minimum of 3 weeks.
| lostlogin wrote:
| 4 weeks leave is a legal minimum where I live and public
| holidays come on top of that (12 per year).
|
| Many employers give 5. It accrues if you don't take it.
| hammock wrote:
| A toxic workplace is a toxic workplace, whatever PTO you
| have.
|
| A toxic workplace can make fixed PTO just as miserable as
| unlimited PTO if they want to, and vice versa
| dangwhy wrote:
| > take 4-5 weeks off per year
|
| how do you come up with this number though. If its a set
| number like that then why not make that official PTO.
| nirav72 wrote:
| Indeed it is a scam. Biggest problem with unlimited pto is
| that managers don't care until you take what they feel is a
| disproportionate amount of time off. With a fixed number of
| PTO days, managers can tell you take time off , so they don't
| have to pay out at end of fiscal year for unused days.
| RyJones wrote:
| Completely agree. It really means "take less vacation than
| your boss"
| nine_zeros wrote:
| This kind of empathatic, humane management is quite rare.
|
| I have seen that the manager lets it slide but behind the
| scenes "keeps record" and it shows up in your performance
| report. This usually happens when the manager is under pressure
| themselves and needs to find a scapegoat. Who better to
| scapegoat that the undocumented PTO taker.
| sys_64738 wrote:
| As you get older then you realize time is finite and work is just
| a means to an end. I take all my vacation in the year I get it
| and if the company were to ever say anything then it's like
| _shrug_. It 's like WFH in that you could tell me to work from a
| cube but I'd ignore that. I take my vacation and don't ever check
| email or respond to texts.
| einpoklum wrote:
| Time is finite? :-O ... Now they tell me! T_T
|
| ...
|
| [ GONE FISHIN' ]
| sys_64738 wrote:
| Your lifetime is finite is what I really mean. I know you
| know but just saying anyways.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| I'm currently a manager at an org with unlimited PTO. I take at
| least five weeks a year, and I enforce a minimum four weeks a
| year with my directs. No Slack, no email, it all gets turned
| off in Azure AD until they return. There are few hills I'll die
| on, but this is one of them. Life is short and most work is
| inconsequential on a long life arc.
|
| I don't believe in the concept of unlimited PTO (usually
| disadvantages the worker), but I'm fine playing along when it's
| their dime and they're calling the tune.
| ghaff wrote:
| >No Slack, no email, it all gets turned off in Azure AD until
| they return.
|
| I won't really categorically disagree. But, if _I 'm hanging
| in my hotel room_ and surfing or whatever, if I can point
| someone in a direction or answer a quick question, I'm not
| sure that's wrong. I assure you I'll go back to my book-
| reading or movie-watching right after.
| matwood wrote:
| Same. It's not required, but if I'm just sitting there I'll
| give a pointer if I can.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| I appreciate that idea, I did so myself during my last
| vacation (I stay on slack and email as I report to c
| suite). But it is my job to defend the quality of life of
| my direct reports, and we can spend some more cycles as an
| org if needed versus bothering people OOO/PTO/Vaca. If we
| are so reliant on that person that we need that ability,
| we've failed (processes, documentation, cross training,
| etc).
|
| We're not saving lives, we're just moving bits.
|
| Edit @ghaff: Love the CEO anecdote in your reply, I'd work
| for that person! Priorities set properly.
| ghaff wrote:
| I'm mostly pretty disciplined. I'm on vacation but if I
| can spend 5 minutes unblocking something, hey, they pay
| me well enough.
|
| Though to your C-suite comment, an engineering director
| at a fairly high profile SV company was telling me that
| they hired a senior comms person who just couldn't deal
| with the fact that the CEO would take vacations where
| they literally unplugged--and ended up quitting.
| sonofhans wrote:
| Yes, this is a hidden benefit of having people take real
| time off. No org should be dependent for daily/weekly
| functioning on one person. If the cracks start showing in
| a single week of vacation, you've got some
| knowledge/skill sharing to do.
| ghaff wrote:
| I don't think I'm really giving anything away by saying
| this was Netflix.
| sys_64738 wrote:
| It's called psychology. Even though you're on vacation
| you're still working and engaged.
| eb0la wrote:
| I just joined a company with unlimited PTO. Last week I found
| out one of my direct reports took less than one vacation week
| last year. I told the team they had to spend all vacation
| within the year (22 days). We're all spread in Europe. Not
| taking vacation could be a liability for the company, not to
| mention that tired and stressed people makes a lot of mistakes
| and I cannot afford loosing any engineer due to burnouts.
| Kognito wrote:
| An interesting, if slightly dated, comparison between 22
| countries' vacation taking habits (including US + some of
| Europe).
|
| Remarkable how little vacation allowance the US gets. No wonder
| only around a 3rd of Americans own passports.
|
| https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/articles-reports/2015/11...
| myroon5 wrote:
| American passport rate over time if anyone's curious:
|
| https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/01/11/the-sh...
| MikeTheRocker wrote:
| Wow, as someone who loves to travel and has the good fortune
| to do it often, the idea of not being able to or not wanting
| to leave one's home country is unfathomable.
| [deleted]
| ghaff wrote:
| >No wonder only around a 3rd of Americans own passports.
|
| The US also has a ton of attractions within its borders. And
| other than going to Canada or Mexico, you're talking about
| relatively expensive flights to travel internationally.
| andybak wrote:
| I'm in the UK and a lot of my travel over the years has been
| to places relatively far away (Asia, Americas).
|
| Travel in Europe is expensive when you're there so a lot of
| people from Europe travel to SE Asia and similar destinations
| (althought the cost differential is reducing)
| amrocha wrote:
| I'm very confused by this comment. Travel within Europe is
| insanely cheap compared with North America because low cost
| carriers exist and the distances are way smaller, not to
| mention you can take buses if you're _really_ on a budget.
|
| You're not finding flights in the US between major cities
| for less than 3 digits, and buses take several hours. In
| Europe you take a 2 hour bus ride and end up in a
| completely different country whichever way you go.
|
| There's a reason your stereotypical university student
| backpacker goes to Europe.
| lostlogin wrote:
| > The US also has a ton of attractions within its borders.
|
| As does everywhere, which is why people travel.
| ArteEtMarte wrote:
| That survey makes a lot of sense to me, as a Brit. If I don't
| take my PTO my boss's boss gets nagged by HR, so they nag my
| boss, who nags me.
|
| Our PTO year runs from 1 April, so the only (unwritten) rule
| about vacation is that we should try to spread it over the
| year. This is because we're only allowed to carry over 5 days
| to the next year, not taking PTO is frowned upon, and HR don't
| want everybody to be using up their PTO at the same time at the
| end of the year.
|
| A few days ago we had a Zoom town-hall meeting where our CEO
| thanked everybody for taking time off.
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