[HN Gopher] Linux is Making Apple Great Again
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Linux is Making Apple Great Again
Author : jasoneckert
Score : 113 points
Date : 2023-03-26 18:16 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| bfung wrote:
| I've been on and off mac's since the late 90s. Contrary to the
| article and similar to comments here, their OS was never that
| good until last 10 years - not the other way around.
|
| As I got older, I got less time to fiddle with drivers on linux
| (Nvidia/noveau drivers ptsd, wifi drivers...) why can't it just
| work!?
|
| The title should be the other way around: Apple is making Linux
| Great Again.
|
| Having limited but excellent hardware configuration makes writing
| stable software easier.
| flandish wrote:
| I agree. Been developing since the mid 90's. Gone are the days
| of forgetting to compile a nic driver and having to redo
| something with an install... I love linux. Heck .. love all
| OSs. They're amazing.
|
| Working in the current times on my MBP seems like I finally
| have my linux install "set up just right."
|
| Yeah, I tend still to toss around a dotfiles repo, stay in vi
| often, but stuff like vscode, obsidian, ios file sync, etc...
| just works.
|
| Upgrades don't brick shit.
|
| I dunno. I am grateful I don't have to use wsl/wsl2/cygwin
| anymore to get tools I need.
| rvnx wrote:
| Summary:
|
| Ken Thompson, co-creator of UNIX, expressed disappointment with
| Apple's macOS, prompting him to transition to Linux, specifically
| Raspbian.
|
| Apple's ARM-based Silicon architecture offers excellent hardware,
| but users like Thompson and Linus Torvalds find macOS
| restrictive.
|
| The Asahi Linux project enables running an ARM64 Linux
| distribution on Apple Silicon hardware.
| thinkpad13 wrote:
| Any other example why the both said its restrictive instead of
| its not open source?
|
| What linux can do but osx can? Because I always thought osx can
| do whatever linux do because its unix based
| krzyk wrote:
| Can I switch to a different window manager, because I really
| don't like the default in macos - specifically a tiling WM.
| tmtvl wrote:
| I think there's something called 'Yabai'.
|
| EDIT: https://github.com/koekeishiya/yabai
| slashtom wrote:
| https://rectangleapp.com/ works really well with OSX. Does
| everything wayland and others on linux in OSX and performs
| really well.
| jppittma wrote:
| No it doesn't. Wayland is the window server.
| [DWM](https://dwm.suckless.org) allows new windows to
| automatically be tiled when created. It also allows you
| also to change the way the tiling occurs when new windows
| are opened.
|
| My new windows used to split an ever smaller portion of
| my screen in a fibonacci spiral based layout. I could
| also move between windows with hotkeys.
|
| Rectangle is useful in a pinch, but it's no tiling window
| manager.
| gerdesj wrote:
| Wayland is not a WM. https://wayland.freedesktop.org
| Wayland is the thing "underneath" a Window Manager. For
| example you can run KDE on top of X or Wayland. There are
| a few blurry boundaries in all this but that largely
| covers it.
| the_gipsy wrote:
| There is no real window manager on macOS, only hacks that
| fall apart very soon.
| frizlab wrote:
| There are tools like Magnet and such that help. Window
| management is maybe the worst part of macOS and it's worse
| after each release of macOS.
| mathstuf wrote:
| If you work within standard POSIX, sure. But there are many
| things that are not POSIX that are useful and not available
| on macOS:
|
| - systemd has some inspiration from launchd, but certainly
| not its documentation strategy - `du` doesn't have a `-b`
| flag (repeat for oodles of useful GNU flags baked into my
| fingers) - getting a "pristine" environment on macOS is a
| true PITA and a horror for CI (containers win massively here)
| - some things are only available through the UI (e.g., TCC.db
| edits are SIP-locked to when Preferences deigns to ask you) -
| useful window management (macOS is quite a bit behind even
| Windows' rudimentary tiling and focus management and even
| Windows has all kinds of sad quirks compared to what XMonad
| and Awesome provide)
| mattkevan wrote:
| As someone who's used macOS since the early betas I really don't
| understand this perpetual meme that the early versions were so
| good and it's all locked-down rubbish now. Seems more like faulty
| memory mixed with a general tendency to think that everything was
| better 'back in my day'.
|
| Every version had its bugs at release and were mostly fixed after
| a few point releases. If I recall, the only one that was fine
| from the start was 10.6 Snow Leopard, and that was only because
| 10.5 Leper was so bad.
| Klonoar wrote:
| 10.6 wasn't even perfect from the start, it just has the
| standout point of being "perfect" by the end before 10.7 got
| funky.
| madeofpalk wrote:
| > the only one that was fine from the start was 10.6 Snow
| Leopard
|
| Snow Leopard had a bug where using the guest account would wipe
| the data from the main account.
| pram wrote:
| I've long assumed it's because it also coincidentally lines up
| with the Intel Macs, and especially the MacBook Air. Which was
| probably a lot of people's first Mac ever. It was definitely an
| upgrade over Leopard.
|
| I had started using OSX with Jaguar on my G4 PowerBook and Snow
| Leopard doesn't stand out in my mind. I liked Lion more because
| it had full disk encryption and AirDrop.
| mattkevan wrote:
| It's a good point. The Intel transition is when Macs started
| to take off again, and the first experience is always
| special. That and a severe dislike of change.
|
| While I have soft spots for 10.2 as that's when OS X finally
| became usable and 10.4 when it overtook Windows there's not a
| chance I'd want to use any of the older versions on a daily
| basis - it's never been better than it is now.
| Telemakhos wrote:
| Snow Leopard came with a certain ethos that I think was very
| appreciated: there were few feature changes and no aesthetic
| changes, but all the work went into the "under the hood"
| systems, lowering the memory footprint and preparing for the
| transition to all 64-bit everything. It was one of the rare
| times that a software company released a new major version
| with no consumer-apparent changes except for increased speed
| and efficiency. HN's audience might have a soft spot for that
| sort of thing.
| keyle wrote:
| Yes to me, snow leopard was the pinacle of macOS, pre-
| iMessage.
|
| It was faster, smaller, did just as much as leopard, just
| solid.
| zokier wrote:
| Imho the 2008-2012 unibody mbp was peak mac design, before
| they began compromising things in their quest for thinness.
| vetinari wrote:
| > Snow Leopard doesn't stand out in my mind
|
| It does for me. It was the first Intel-only release and at
| the time I had G4 Powerbook. I was quite pissed at Apple at
| the time.
| modshatereality wrote:
| Sequence of events for me: 1) stopped using the GOAT compiler
| GCC 2) killed X11 support 3) killed all 32bit support. 4) hit
| rock bottom.
| lispm wrote:
| I'm still using xquartz (https://www.xquartz.org) on current
| machines - with the last release just a few weeks ago. But
| it's only for retro stuff. Other than that, X11 was never
| anything why I would buy a Mac for.
| KennyBlanken wrote:
| > early versions were so good and it's all locked-down rubbish
| now. Seems more like faulty memory mixed with a general
| tendency to think that everything was better 'back in my day'.
|
| Holy gaslighting, batman.
|
| It's not a matter of "faulty memory" It's objective, provable
| fact that Apple has been steadily locking down its software
| ecosystem through restrictions and UI dark patterns in concert
| with ever-tightening hardware lockdowns.
|
| Apple is even doing it with file transfers. On an iPhone
| there's no way to select a default file save location; it
| always starts in your iCloud folder, and third party file sync
| tools are third class citizens. Ventura dropped support for AFP
| _and make it difficult to enable any sort of filesharing at
| all._ In order to get the built-in samba server to work
| properly, you have to add a manual security exception for it
| using the command line. Again...they 're trying to push you to
| use iCloud.
|
| You can't install older versions of MacOS past a certain point
| because the signing keys expire.
|
| Apple has the power to blacklist any binary they want.
|
| Every OS release has been steadily more and more hostile to
| trying to run an unsigned application so Apple can blackmail
| developers into paying for a developer account. Obnoxious
| warning dialogs that have annoying default actions (like "move
| the application to the trash.")
|
| The OS files are increasingly locked down and 'protected',
| despite ample evidence from security researchers that such
| measures are easily bypassed...and there's little evidence of
| these changes actually protecting users from any sort of
| significant existing threat. It's clearly more about DRM for
| music/movies, and protecting all the annoying restrictions on
| unsigned apps, etc.
| Dalewyn wrote:
| >Ventura dropped support for AFP and make it difficult to
| enable any sort of filesharing at all. In order to get the
| built-in samba server to work properly, you have to add a
| manual security exception for it using the command line.
|
| What?
|
| I enabled SMB sharing along with joining my Windows-based LAN
| at home on my M2 Macbook Air and it was by far second only to
| Windows in ease of setup. No command line voodoo required,
| just set some configs under System Settings and Bob became my
| uncle.
|
| In fact it was so easy to setup the Macbook is sharing
| _everything_ onto the network...
|
| I wish Samba was this easy to setup in Linux.
| sekh60 wrote:
| What is so hard about Samba on Linux? UID and GID
| management?
| Dalewyn wrote:
| Quite literally _everything_.
|
| I don't know what it is about Samba, but it's an imperial
| pain in the ass to get it working right.
| GeekyBear wrote:
| > It's objective, provable fact that Apple has been steadily
| locking down its software ecosystem through restrictions and
| UI dark patterns in concert with ever-tightening hardware
| lockdowns.
|
| Only if you intentionally conflate iOS with Mac OS.
|
| Apple didn't create a new Mac bootloader that allows you to
| boot an unsigned third party OS without weakening the
| security when you boot the Mac partition because they are
| "locking down" Macs.
| gempir wrote:
| Some things are heavily optimized to promote their ecosystem,
| I agree. But it's Apple software so it's expected they want
| you to use their ecosystem.
|
| But they always provide an escape hatch. Yes random binaries
| are harder to run, but that's for the security of 90% of all
| mac users. The last 10% still have ways to run it anyway, it
| might be a few clicks more yes.
|
| Overall I think it's still a very developer friendly
| operating system when you compare it with the competition,
| Windows. Which is spamming you with ads, also many Windows
| Defender warnings, random binary removals or refusing to
| execute them even when you allow it.
| sockaddr wrote:
| > 10.5 Leper
|
| Heh
| BenGosub wrote:
| Any suggestions for an ARM based Linux laptop? Bonus points for a
| great battery life.
| mdmglr wrote:
| The way articles like this end up down the grapevine, like a game
| of telephone, is "mac bad, Linux good." And I'm considered the
| idiot for having to ask.
|
| The article quotes Ken. Then in the next paragraph says "macOS
| move slowly towards closed standards and tighter control." But is
| that what Ken was saying? That part isn't a quote, and on a quick
| first read I almost thought that was the reason Ken gave.
|
| Raspberry Pi is no more open than Apple. Sure it runs Linux, but
| is the ARM processor Raspberry Pi uses open? I recall it wasn't.
|
| So here are my questions:
|
| 1. Why did Ken throw away "zillion years in Apple"?
|
| 2. What Pi hardware is Ken using? Pi doesn't come in laptop or
| desktop form factor.
|
| 3. How is driver support on Ashai? Is everything working?
|
| 4. Is there any laptop out there made from aluminum with a strong
| frame? And a 120hz mini LED or OLED display?
|
| When I've look at the options from System76, Framework, Dell,
| Lenovo and others they all look like my PC laptops from the
| 2010's just slightly thinner.
|
| I don't trust LG, Samsung or Lenovo. The latter due to its
| history with malware.
| tacker2000 wrote:
| He is talking about using Raspbian, the Debian-based OS that
| runs on the Raspberry Pi among other devices.
|
| I'm pretty sure he is running Rasbpian on some laptop and not
| using a Pi as his "daily driver" ;)
| doctor_eval wrote:
| Not to nitpick but Pi 400 is a desktop form factor.
|
| https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-400/
| margorczynski wrote:
| I'm getting flashbacks of my C64 seeing a computer being put
| into a keyboard.
| kevbin wrote:
| Here's what i gleaned from this article: (1) Ken Thompson uses
| Linux in a Raspberry Pi. (2) Linus Torvalds uses Linux on a
| laptop he likes better than a Mac with a bad screen. (3) the
| author likes using linux on ARM chips. (4) Ashashi Linux runs on
| Apple's ARM computers. The author uses it.
|
| Here's what the author might add: (1) What did Ken Thompson find
| off putting about Mac OS? (2) What was wrong with Linus' screen
| that couldn't be fixed and how did switching to Linux fix it? (3)
| What benefits of running Linux vs Mac Os inspired the author to
| write this article?
|
| Those three points, or similar, might make this article more
| interesting and valuable.
| nicpottier wrote:
| Are you a machine?
| attemptone wrote:
| Wouldn't a Transformer LM try to write in a more
| conversational style?
| kevbin wrote:
| I'm probably spending too much time with Bing Chat. As was
| foretold: https://youtu.be/5eWny2ZLCwU
| dm319 wrote:
| It's suspicious.
| crazygringo wrote:
| I doubt it. I was wondering the exact same things because
| this article was actually pretty information-free. And I'm
| not a machine, at least.
| DuckFeathers wrote:
| > What was wrong with Linus' screen that couldn't be fixed and
| how did switching to Linux fix it?
|
| I remember this incident so I can elaborate.
|
| While Apple is known for "consumer premium" hardware, they have
| not necessarily been leading on anything. They source premium
| hardware from a few generations ago and mass produce it and
| market it at "consumer premium" prices.
|
| When Linus was trying to find a replacement for his older
| Macbook, he was unimpressed by the screen resolution and
| quality went with a Dell XPS 15 Developer Edition instead. This
| was around 2015.
| thedonkeycometh wrote:
| [dead]
| scarface74 wrote:
| "I don't have time to tinker with my computer so I will run Linux
| on it..."
|
| I find the lack of self awareness astonishing.
| jrepinc wrote:
| Unfortunately I am forced to use macos (and windows) and work
| from time to time and yeah I can agree with the author.
| GNU/Linux (openSUSE with KDE Plasma desktop) definitely
| requires a lot less tinkering to get it to work and respect
| your privacy and the likes. Especially if you do any software
| development and engineering or scientificy work. And
| windows/macos are just getting worse while GNU/Linux is just
| getting better so the advantage gap for GNU/Linux keeps growing
| as time goes on.
| malermeister wrote:
| I find it takes much more time to disable all the junk Apple
| puts in your way and find fixes for all the stuff their
| designers don't find elegant than it does to install all the
| junk that doesn't work out of the box with any decent linux
| distro.
| rdtsc wrote:
| I maintain 4 Ubuntu laptops for my family. Never had much of an
| issue. Granted, I picked Thinkpads with an eye towards them
| being fairly compatible with Linux to start with so there is a
| planning element to ease future issues for us. When a new LTS
| version rolls around, I wait a bit and then upgrade them all
| and everything seems to work. It's been like that for 10 years
| almost now.
| eric__cartman wrote:
| I took that as an, I don't have time to learn a new platform so
| I stick with what works for me, which is valid.
| jrm4 wrote:
| I find the lack of updated views on computers astonishing?
|
| I work with a lot of different people with a lot of different
| operating systems.
|
| Today, for most people and their needs, Linux is an EASIER
| operating system to deal with than Mac Os OR Windows.
|
| As much as I would love to credit the amazingness of Linux,
| it's mostly because a lot of people can do everything they need
| in a browser + a few basic apps.
| AdamJacobMuller wrote:
| This is a quote of Linus explaining why he doesn't have the
| time to move to a new computing platform on a new architecture.
|
| This is not a question of "setup macos takes effort X vs setup
| linux (on M2 laptop) takes effort Y" this is a question of
| "doing nothing (keep existing system) is no effort while
| setting up a new system (new hardware, new architecture, etc)
| is major effort"
| Iolaum wrote:
| Totally out of context quote:
|
| Linus Torvalds when asked on a Real World Technologies forum
| whether he would buy an Apple Silicon laptop, he responded
| with:
|
| I'd absolutely love to have one, if it just ran Linux. I have
| fairly fond memories of the 11" Macbook Air (I think 4,1) that
| I used about a decade ago (but moved away from because it took
| Apple too long to fix the screen - and by the time they did,
| I'd moved on to better laptops, and Apple had moved on to make
| Linux less convenient). Apple may run Linux in their cloud, but
| their laptops don't. I've been waiting for an ARM laptop that
| can run Linux for a long time. The new Air would be almost
| perfect, except for the OS. And I don't have the time to tinker
| with it, or the inclination to fight companies that don't want
| to help.
| NoraCodes wrote:
| I currently regularly use 4 desktop/laptop computers: a T480
| running Kubuntu, an L420 running Xubuntu, a Dell work laptop
| running Kubuntu, and a custom gaming desktop running Windows
| 10.
|
| I have spent dramatically more time delving into OS nonsense to
| solve issues on the Windows machine, from "ghost" controller
| inputs making WPF applications unusable to audio devices
| randomly disappearing to some weird HDCP interaction causing my
| display to turn off when Disney Plus is loaded in Firefox.
|
| I do not have nearly the same amount of trouble with my Linux
| machines; nor does my boyfriend, who is not a technical
| professional and uses Xubuntu exclusively.
|
| Yes, Linux on the desktop _can_ require tinkering, but it 's
| not always the case. With the right hardware choices and some
| thoughtful setup, it can be remarkably stable.
| secondcoming wrote:
| Interesting. I can't recall the last time I had a hardware
| issue on Windows.
|
| I, not too long ago, did end up having to reinstall Ubuntu
| when changing the screen resolution went wrong for some
| reason.
| pengaru wrote:
| I haven't used windows in decades, but visited family over
| the summer where a new Lenovo desktop running win11
| persistently lost its HP printer port association.
|
| I'd help remove and reinstall the drivers, the printer
| would work for a few days... then a windows update would
| occur, and the printer stops working. My intervention
| recurred at least five times throughout summer, it was
| probably simply ignored as broken most of summer to not
| overly aggravate me.
|
| The elderly owner of this new computer was ready to buy a
| new printer, entirely blaming the hardware. It was very
| clearly the operating system + driver at fault, but she's
| not the most computer literate person.
|
| It's 2023 and MS still can't make a USB printer stay
| configured properly across updates.
|
| And don't even get me started on the FOX News propaganda
| embedded in whatever gadget has replaced the start menu.
| What a raging dumpster full of tire fires MS Windows has
| become.
| deafpolygon wrote:
| > I can't recall the last time I had a hardware issue on
| Windows.
|
| Me either.
| melenaboija wrote:
| > With the right hardware choices and some thoughtful setup,
| it can be remarkably stable.
|
| That is one of the issues Apple has been solving at least
| since 20 years ago when I started using mac books. You don't
| have to think anything, plug and work.
|
| I am not an apple fan boy and I wish I had an alternative
| (which I tried during these 20 years) but mac books has been
| the only solution that has worked so far for me.
| goosedragons wrote:
| Except for all the stuff Apple leaves out or decides X is
| the correct way. No decent window snapping, no package
| manager, scroll wheel direction, no application level
| volume control, no HDMI/DP volume control, no decent font
| rendering on non-Retina displays, no MST support, ancient
| GNU tools (honestly I'd just prefer they'd leave out 10
| year old versions, it just causes problems).
|
| Honestly to me macOS is a bigger pain to deal with.
| carlmr wrote:
| I would have agreed with you a long time ago, but nowadays my
| Linux machine is the lowest setup cost and lowest maintenance
| cost I have.
|
| I don't have a Mac, but Windows has become quite needy and
| bloated. While Linux has become easier to install, harder to
| mess up and less jarring with interface changes in the last
| decade.
| abledon wrote:
| I can't wait for the 15" macbook air. That thing will probably be
| my jumping off point into feeling out the Asahi Linux vibe on
| Macs.
| thinkpad13 wrote:
| When do you think it will come?
| abledon wrote:
| rumours say late 2023
| https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/macbook-air/
| jprd wrote:
| Do we need to keep the "Make X Great Again" meme alive? Even
| tongue-in-cheek, even with recent use by dead-end white
| supremacists as a dog whistle, this is a literal Nazi-ism.
|
| Can we just put it to bed already?
| stoniejohnson wrote:
| It's a joke. Jokes are fine. Jokes about anything are fine, as
| along as they are jokes.
|
| You didn't think this joke was funny, and that's fine. I
| thought it was funny, and that's fine.
|
| Calling it a "Nazi-ism", is also fine, but if that means he
| shouldn't be allowed to say it, that is _not_ fine.
|
| See the following picture, it kinda captures the point:
|
| https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrrVOoFXoAEOWYe?format=jpg&name=...
| mdp2021 wrote:
| > _literal Nazi-ism_
|
| What do you mean? "Exactly what a countryside simpleton
| ("Ignaz", at the time and place) would adopt as a stance"?!
|
| Somebody takes an innocent expression and tries to taint it,
| you do your part in deflating the tainted use, you renormalize
| - that's what you are supposed to do. The article author uses
| irony.
| ARandomerDude wrote:
| > Do we need to keep the "Make X Great Again" meme alive?
|
| Agreed.
|
| > this is a literal Nazi-ism
|
| Uh...what? I'm struggling to recall the locations of the
| concentration camps in the USA.
|
| We also shouldn't keep the _guy I don't like is Hitler_ meme
| alive.
| kenbolton wrote:
| I can help you remember the locations with the help of
| Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japane
| se_America...
| claytongulick wrote:
| Are you suggesting that former president Trump was
| responsible for the internment of Japanese in WW2?
| doctor_eval wrote:
| The concentration camps came later.
|
| First, Hitler rose to power by appealing to workers (despite
| actually being pro business). He broke the law and was put on
| trial, but this only caused his support to increase.
|
| On the basis of his celebrity he was able to raise money and
| win election to government. He went on to use the Reichstag
| fire as a pretext for taking over the government he was
| ostensibly there to serve.
|
| So it's intellectually fine to draw parallels between Nazi
| Germany and the extreme right in the US because those
| parallels really do exist.
|
| It's the diminution of these parallels that I find
| disturbing. Such as the use of a divisive political symbol in
| a technical article.
| actuator wrote:
| Equating everything you dislike to an actual tragedy has the
| opposite effect, you are making a mockery of that tragedy and
| using it to further your ideological belief.
| claytongulick wrote:
| > Even tongue-in-cheek, even with recent use by dead-end white
| supremacists as a dog whistle
|
| Are you referring to the roughly 50% of the country who voted
| for, and according to current polls slightly over that who plan
| on voting for former president Trump?
|
| That's a mighty broad brush you're painting with there.
| user982 wrote:
| Fascism being popular doesn't make it not fascism.
| lapcat wrote:
| > Are you referring to the roughly 50% of the country who
| voted for
|
| To be accurate, ~29% of eligible voters, from ~47% of the
| vote with ~63% turnout.
|
| And of course millions of people in the country are
| ineligible to vote, the majority of whom are youths.
|
| 74 million is a large number nonetheless. Roughly 22% of the
| population.
| thih9 wrote:
| I don't understand the MAGA reference, it seems off topic to me.
| riffic wrote:
| it's unnecessary and off-putting imo.
|
| folks thoroughly flamed the 9front community for using
| holocaust imagery
| (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25778940) and this is
| sort of a parallel choice.
| kbutler wrote:
| And so you compare references to your political opponents to
| references to the holocaust?
|
| A little introspection may be helpful.
| claytongulick wrote:
| You're equating "Make America Great Again" with the
| Holocaust?
|
| I think you might want to take a step back from politics for
| a bit and take a deep breath.
| [deleted]
| riffic wrote:
| I choose my words carefully. Is it a _necessary_ phrase to
| make when discussing operating systems? Can you not see how
| it would be off-putting of a statement to make?
|
| I would advise you refrain from putting words in my mouth.
| Takennickname wrote:
| Nothing in the universe is _necessary_.
| claytongulick wrote:
| If you chose your words carefully, then you _carefully_
| attempted to draw a parallel between a populist campaign
| slogan and the Holocaust.
|
| Good job?
| howenterprisey wrote:
| No, they're saying both of these things are off-putting.
| Obviously not to the same degree. I don't want to see
| either, though.
| imwithstoopid wrote:
| its called Trump Derangement Syndrome and it is a real
| thing
|
| these people actually believe Trump === Hitler
| coldtea wrote:
| It's a little thing called fun. Doesn't have to be referring to
| the same topic to make a joke reference. In fact, it works
| better if it's from an unrelated domain
| lapcat wrote:
| > It's a little thing called fun.
|
| Nobody thinks it's fun, except the people who wear the red
| hats.
| coldtea wrote:
| You'd be surprised.
|
| People who aren't partisans one way or the other could not
| give less fucks.
|
| But even bona fide leftists have used red hats ironically
| and in comic sketches ever since they appeared.
|
| If anything, it's probably people who wear the red hats who
| would be "insulted" ("oh, you're making a mockery of our
| slogan!")
| lapcat wrote:
| > People who aren't partisans one way or the other could
| not give less fucks.
|
| The author appears to be Canadian, so maybe he's just
| oblivious.
|
| > But even bona fide leftists have used red hats
| ironically and in comic sketches ever since they
| appeared.
|
| Of course. But the article author doesn't appear to be
| mocking the MAGA movement, just using an ill-advised
| expression and photo to make an unrelated point.
|
| An author has to know their audience. Whether or not you
| personally believe that MAGA revulsion is "justified",
| it's a mistake to put off a large portion of one's
| audience, even if that was unintentional.
| coldtea wrote:
| > _Of course. But the article author doesn 't appear to
| be mocking the MAGA movement, just using an ill-advised
| expression and photo to make an unrelated point._
|
| The author is just using it as a meme-template of "Make X
| great again", repurposing something considered tacky as a
| joke, as countless others have done. Obviously
| ironically, the same way people would use "Just say no"
| or other slogans ironically. In fact, it's pretty obvious
| they're anything but sympathetic to the original thing to
| use it jockingly like this.
|
| It's time to stop being so negative to anything that's
| not sterile corporate speak, sanitized six ways from
| Sunday by HR and marketeers.
| lapcat wrote:
| > the same way people would use "Just say no" or other
| slogans ironically.
|
| Just Say No was a largely ineffective advertising
| campaign from over 30 years ago.
|
| MAGA is the slogan of the previous and possibly next
| POTUS. This is serious business, and there's a lot at
| stake. Perhaps democracy itself? I make jokes all the
| time, but I wouldn't casually joke about this.
| asmor wrote:
| Yeah. Not everyone can afford not to be a partisan. Reeks
| of privilege in here.
|
| And your conclusion is asinine. They love memeing the
| slogan.
| Takennickname wrote:
| [flagged]
| asmor wrote:
| "As a non-Ukrainian, Putin is the most entertaining thing
| to come out of east Europe in a long time" is what that
| sounds like.
| MaxHoppersGhost wrote:
| Let's try not to be offended by every little thing.
| AprilArcus wrote:
| It's not fun, it's scary and tacky. Those red hats represent
| a movement that really wants to hurt people like me and my
| friends.
| aksss wrote:
| They probably (seriously) feel the same way about you. The
| solution is to stop demonizing and dehumanizing your
| political opposition and be okay with difference of opinion
| while communicating.
|
| Also recognize it's a tired game of both ends of the
| political spectrum to convince people the other side is
| full of monsters who want to destroy them. Look at wartime
| propaganda. There's plenty of room to disagree with each
| other and be passionate about our convictions without
| involving that element.
|
| If your response is, "no but really..", start reading from
| the top again.
| Clent wrote:
| Are you serious? LGBTQ+ are real people being dehumanized
| by MAGA's.
|
| MAGA's are not good people, regardless of how scared they
| maybe of others.
|
| Their fear makes them dangerous as they lack the
| emotional intelligence required to allow others to exist
| without their approval. Also, they are often well armed
| and have bene involved in many mass shootings.
| kstrauser wrote:
| This is all off-topic, but that's a ridiculous take. I'm
| a straight white guy. Literally no one is seriously
| proposing laws that would make my life more difficult in
| the slightest. No one is trying to make it illegal for me
| to be married to my wife, or to use the right bathroom,
| or to tell my kids it's OK for them to be straight.
| There's no legitimate "but both sides...!" here.
| lapcat wrote:
| > They probably (seriously) feel the same way about you.
|
| If that's seriously true, then there's even less reason
| to consider this "a little thing called fun."
|
| > Look at wartime propaganda.
|
| Whether or not wartime propaganda is justified, war is
| not "a little thing called fun."
| coldtea wrote:
| [flagged]
| xibo9 wrote:
| Its really not helpful to degrade conversation in this
| fashion. Maybe rephrase in a more helpful and less
| combative way?
| coldtea wrote:
| Anything particular you disagree with?
|
| Less combative as in saying that one side "really wants
| to hurt people" and bundling millions of people as that?
| kagakuninja wrote:
| Whether MAGA want to hurt millions of people, that is the
| result of conservative policies.
|
| 1 million+ unnecessary deaths during the pandemic.
| Targeting of LGBTQ people, blacks, teachers, librarians,
| politicians, election officials and even doctors (wtf?).
| Forced "detransitioning" of trans people. Banning all
| forms of abortion, even in the case of rape, minors and
| incest. Banning life-saving abortions, forcing women to
| carry unviable fetuses to term. And that is just today,
| they have more plans in store...
| AviationAtom wrote:
| I'm not surprised to hear someone say such, only
| disappointed.
| thih9 wrote:
| Sure, but it relates to an ongoing controversial and
| distracting topic. Basically, "too soon".
| secondcoming wrote:
| Make Apple Great Again
| jacooper wrote:
| I really agree, the hardware is good, but macOS isnt attractive
| at all.
|
| Its behind windows in every step, desktop experience, app
| support(no games!) And more, while not being as pure / techy
| friendly as Linux.
|
| Didn't know that ashai got so far!, how is it on laptops? And can
| I use the custom kernel on anything else? Like fedora / Ubuntu?
| anonymous344 wrote:
| i would love to know what does these real pros cany actuallu
| handle in osx. i mean really, what are the features that are show
| stoppers?
| margorczynski wrote:
| I'm not sure what is your definition of a "real pro" but for me
| personally:
|
| * Docker performance - even the top-of-the-line MBP I have
| cannot handle a few services in a docker-compose before
| starting to error about loosing CPU cycles or the TCP/IP
| communication between the services dying
|
| * I cannot use a proper titling WM like i3/sway. There are some
| hacks but they fall apart and they're nowhere near as
| configurable as I would want
|
| * I get attacked by ads telling me to upgrade to iCloud+
|
| * Most importantly - it is very different than the environment
| where I run stuff (Linux node/server/etc.) so there's another
| layer of complexity and problems attached when developing on it
| to be deployed there compared to developing on Linux (even a
| different distro than the target)
|
| * In general I feel like the OS is treating me like an idiot
| when using it - the feeling is displeasing
| photonbeam wrote:
| That font really makes it hard to read
| jiripospisil wrote:
| It looks like the blog uses "Overlock" font loaded via Google
| fonts. In case your browser won't load it, you get "cursive".
| tmtvl wrote:
| If you're on Firefox you can go into Font Settings and uncheck
| _Allow pages to choose their own fonts, instead of your
| selections above_.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| Indeed. On mobile you can just use Reader mode, too. Which
| seems to have become my default for everything.
| fsckboy wrote:
| where does that setting live? didn't see it, searches don't
| find it?
| bee_rider wrote:
| It is in the "advanced" menu for fonts (directly to the
| right of the font size selection drop-down box in the
| current UI).
| fsckboy wrote:
| aaahhh there it is (due to the wonder of flat ui design,
| I didn't see that the dialog box could and needed to
| scroll)
| javaunsafe2019 wrote:
| Man all that ads on hn nowadays kinda xxxx :(
| jrepinc wrote:
| Exactly all that GAFAM/BigTech/OpenAI/ChatGPT corporate
| propaganda should be forbidden here. At least this post
| promotes some free/libre and opensource and privacy respecting
| software.
| throw2022110401 wrote:
| We are wildly off-topic here but I use a keyword filter to
| get rid of that stuff and the number of hits it gets is
| almost always in the 4-6 range, sometimes creeping up to 8. I
| still think that most of the noise is organic but the
| unrelenting consistency of it makes me wonder.
| smackeyacky wrote:
| "Apple won't help you figure out how to do it, nor give you the
| information necessary to create device drivers for their
| hardware, but the possibility is there."
|
| I don't buy Apple hardware, but this quote could be applied to
| just about every big manufacturer.
| tictacttoe wrote:
| Asahi (Arch) is fantastic and I'm immensely grateful to the dev
| team. One small issue I wish they'd fix is monitor over
| Thunderbolt. Currently only HDMI works.
| jmclnx wrote:
| Maybe something System76 can do, create an arm based system for
| Linux ( and of course BSDs)
| thinkpad13 wrote:
| Anyone could help me what is limitting about macos?
|
| I always thought os x is better than linux because its unix and
| it haves windows like software(ms office and adobes) and no other
| laptop better than macbook pro for me
|
| Dont get it wrong i use linux on my desktop and server and
| currently burning tumbleweed iso to a dvd
| grozzle wrote:
| A complete lack of focus stealing prevention, for one. Corner
| notifications that never go away even though I'm clearly trying
| to ignore them. Suddenly typing into some random new thing
| instead of where I want to be typing.
|
| "All your 32-bit programs are dead now, yes including your
| paid-for games. Lol."
|
| "OpenGL and Vulkan weren't invented here, we'll make the same
| thing, but not compatible, instead of supporting them."
|
| Apple's file system is still shite. "file cannot be deleted
| because the disk is full" is a Kafka style nightmare message.
|
| Mac users are also a significant horror when you go asking for
| help with any of this, they generally have gone full Stockholm
| syndrome and will blame the new victim rather than the captor.
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