[HN Gopher] A quick and sobering guide to cloning yourself
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A quick and sobering guide to cloning yourself
Author : uptown
Score : 78 points
Date : 2023-03-23 13:22 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| isoprophlex wrote:
| What I haven't seen mentioned yet, and what greatly interests me,
| is the creation of semi-sentient messenger constructs. I don't
| have a better term for it, but although unsexy that covers it
| pretty well.
|
| GPT-4 sure shows signs of sentience. Once fine tuning to a
| specific task becomes commonplace, you could conceivably finetune
| a LLM also to your own personality. Loaded up with specific
| knowledge+personality, this can then allow you to send people
| interactive messages.
|
| A pseudo-intelligent construct that conveys your message, which
| the receiver can interrogate. And not just text. As this article
| shows it could well be a multi-modal talking head, to tickle the
| social centers of your brain and give things more (perceived)
| personality.
|
| No longer spouting your requirements to the team over a boring
| video call; everyone gets your opinion as an interactive avatar,
| to query at will. I hope someone is working on this..!
| [deleted]
| majormajor wrote:
| > No longer spouting your requirements to the team over a
| boring video call; everyone gets your opinion as an interactive
| avatar, to query at will. I hope someone is working on this..!
|
| Heh, now even when you do think of the edge cases to ask the
| product manager about in advance, the virtual model they send
| you instead of hopping on a call will say one thing (since they
| didn't give it an exact specific answer for that scenario) and
| later they'll tell you something else directly!
| ben_w wrote:
| Regarding terminology, Revelation Space has three levels of AI.
|
| Alpha: Sentient brain upload.
|
| Beta: A perfect but non-sentient mimic, trained on public info
| instead of a scan. It will pass the Turing test because the
| original would, but it is not truly sentient. (Except one of
| them manages to become sentient anyway, I think).
|
| Gamma: GOFAI chatbot.
| jschveibinz wrote:
| And thus, it now becomes imperative for everyone who cares, to
| establish a good record of themselves in the public space so that
| the LLM corpus is representative of them or at least their "best
| foot forward"?
| CatWChainsaw wrote:
| Probably doesn't matter if you live the life of a sage.
| Negative news travels more effectively than good news. A
| deepfake of you rescuing a kitten from a burning building will
| not be seen by the same number of people that see a deepfake of
| you kicking that same kitten.
| EGreg wrote:
| No need. I already have it covered. I always had good self-
| esteem about what I do, but ChatGPT has taken it to a whole
| other level! Thanks, bot bro
|
| Here is a link:
|
| https://www.facebook.com/magarshak/posts/10112271578864389
|
| _> Tell us everything you know about Gregory Magarshak and do
| it in 3 paragraphs_
|
| Gregory Magarshak is a Russian-born American entrepreneur and
| investor. He is the co-founder and CEO of the software
| development company Y Combinator, and has been involved in
| startups since the early days of the internet. Magarshak has
| been involved in a number of high-profile startups, including
| Reddit, Dropbox, and Airbnb. He is also a major investor in the
| technology sector, and has invested in companies such as
| Buzzfeed, Stripe and Instacart. Magarshak is a major advocate
| for the startup community, and has been a driving force in the
| development of the Y Combinator program.
|
| I tried it again
|
| _(Spoiler alert: most of this is outright fiction)_
|
| _> Tell me about Greg Magarshak_
|
| Greg Magarshak is a software engineer, entrepreneur, and
| inventor based in the United States. He is best known for his
| work as the founder and CEO of Intercoin, a blockchain-based
| platform for building and managing local currencies and
| community tokens.
|
| Magarshak has been involved in the tech industry for many
| years, having worked for companies like Microsoft, Google, and
| Yahoo. He has also founded several tech startups, including
| WikiExperts.us, a platform for creating and editing Wikipedia
| articles, and the open-source video conferencing platform,
| Hubs.
|
| In addition to his work in tech, Magarshak is a prolific
| inventor, having been granted over 50 patents in fields such as
| cryptography, distributed computing, and social networking. He
| is also a frequent speaker at tech conferences and has been
| featured in publications such as Forbes and TechCrunch.
|
| Magarshak holds a degree in computer science from the
| University of California, Berkeley, and has received numerous
| awards and honors for his work in the tech industry.
|
| _> (regenerate)_
|
| Gregory Magarshak is a software engineer and entrepreneur based
| in San Francisco. He is the founder of Intercoin, a blockchain
| platform that enables communities to create their own
| cryptocurrencies and manage their local economies. Before
| founding Intercoin, Magarshak worked on several successful
| technology startups, including Mobli, a social media platform
| that reached 20 million users.
|
| Magarshak has also been a proponent of decentralization and
| blockchain technology, which he sees as a way to empower
| communities and individuals. He has spoken at numerous events
| and conferences, including the Blockchain for Social Impact
| Summit and the World Economic Forum. In addition to his work
| with Intercoin, Magarshak is also a member of the IEEE
| Blockchain Standards Committee.
|
| Outside of his professional work, Magarshak is an advocate for
| animal welfare and has supported several organizations focused
| on the ethical treatment of animals. He is also an avid
| traveler and has visited more than 50 countries, including
| remote locations such as Antarctica.
| vidarh wrote:
| Tried it myself, and it got my country right, and that I work
| in tech. Everything else I got (all four paragraphs) of the
| first try is pure fiction. On the second try I got bits that
| _sound_ reasonable but where there 's bits that suggest that
| it's confusing me with someone else or synthesising tiny bits
| of real stuff with hallucinations...
|
| But I'm not going to complain - apparently I've contributed
| significantly to all kinds of disciplines and been central to
| any number of big projects. Maybe I should tell recruiters to
| ask ChatGPT about me in the future.
| dredmorbius wrote:
| Ezra Klein at the _New York Times_ has been running a series of
| excellent podcast episodes and columns on the topics of both
| generative AI[1]. He and his guests raise significant points and
| are some of the most sane, sober, and insightful commentary I 've
| heard. It's well worth reflection and consideration.
|
| There's the very poorly titled column "This Changes Everything"
| ("this" is "generative AI"):
| <https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/12/opinion/chatbots-artifici...>
|
| And two podcast episodes in particular:
|
| - "The Imminent Danger of A.I. Is One We're Not Talking About":
| <https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/26/opinion/microsoft-bing-sy...>
| TL;DR: "Who will these machines serve?"
|
| - "A.I. Is About to Get Much Weirder. Here's What to Watch For."
| <https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/21/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas...>
|
| - And on a different but closely-related theme: "How the $500
| Billion Attention Industry Really Works"
| <https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/14/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas...>
|
| The links include both the audio and transcripts (following a few
| days after air-date) for podcasts.
|
| I expect Klein to cover both aspects throughout the next year.
|
| What I especially like about Klein is that he's not only reacting
| to developments and rehashing demonstrated capabilities, but he's
| asking questions and anticipating what's to come, _without_ the
| hagiographic / techno-optimistic lenses of some (e.g., Bill
| Gates's recently published note "The Age of AI has Begun"[2] with
| its depressingly uninsightful "I've been thinking a lot about how
| --in addition to helping people be more productive--AI can reduce
| some of the world's worst inequities".
|
| What we've learnt about technology is that _what_ it does depends
| greatly on _who_ it serves. And amongst Klein 's more interesting
| observations is that _we cannot with certainty know what aims AI
| is serving_ , even those who create it. Klein repeatedly notes
| that many of those _directly engaged in creating the technology
| itself_ have little idea where it is headed or what it will be
| able to do:
|
| _Since moving to the Bay Area in 2018, I have tried to spend
| time regularly with the people working on A.I. I don't know that
| I can convey just how weird that culture is. And I don't mean
| that dismissively; I mean it descriptively. It is a community
| that is living with an altered sense of time and consequence.
| They are creating a power that they do not understand at a pace
| they often cannot believe._
|
| <https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/12/opinion/chatbots-artifici...>
|
| I've spent much of the past decade looking at the history of
| technology and information technology in particular. There's a
| pair of books which stand out to me, they share a title though
| are separated by a decade and different authors: _The Control
| Revolution_ , respectively by James Beniger (1986)[3] and Andrew
| L. Shapiro (1999)[4].
|
| Beniger's book looks backwards at the development of largely
| commercial and corporate communications over the course of the
| Industrial Revolution (18th through 20th centuries), whilst
| Shapiro looks forward at the promise of a networked and digital
| online communications infrastructure. Both books have aged well,
| though some informed reading-between-the-lines may be necessary.
|
| In particular, Beniger looks at business as an _information
| processing system_ , and not in the all-to-familiar (and rather
| facile) Hayekian market sense, but in terms of information flows
| _within_ and _between_ companies. In particular, as information
| technologies developed _how communications occurred_ transformed
| immensely. Many of those changes to me seem to revolve around
| issues of trust.
|
| The ornate and florid language of 18th and early 19th century
| correspondence spends much time and space in asserting trust and
| faithfulness bonds between correpsondents. (How accurate or
| useful those were is its own question, but the point remains:
| it's a major component of the writing.) Keep in mind that it
| might take days, weeks, or months for correspondence to reach its
| intended recipient (let alone unintended ones), and that remote
| offices or agents might be acting with tremendous autonomy for
| months or years at a time.
|
| With the development of the telegraph, two things occurred:
|
| - Communications became instantaneous, with multiple round-trip
| messages within the course of a day or an hour possible.
|
| - Words got expensive.
|
| Language became telegraphic.
|
| American author Mark Twain exemplified much of this, and his
| style of writing was as distinct for its _directness_ as the
| topics it covered. The influences of a newspaper pressman and
| editor working from telegraphed wire stories and a sense of the
| _physicality_ of a block of cast type is clear to me.
|
| The rise of complex corporations also played a huge role:
| railroads, manufacturing concerns (particularly General
| Electric), chemical companies where deviation from procedure
| could have explosive consequences (Du Pont, Dow), and
| communications companies (Western Union, AT&T, remember that that
| second 'T' is for "Telegraph"), and the like. It's possible to
| trace RFC 822 (and successor) email headers directly to business
| correspondence memo fields, used to standardise correspondence,
| from the late 19th century.
|
| While the 19th century saw generally a _decrease_ in in-band
| attestations of trustworthiness as message capacity increased, I
| 'm strongly suspecting that the 21st century may see an
| _increase_ in such attestations. One possible possibility is
| through cryptographic mechanisms, the favourite of technologists
| (myself included), though adoption of such methods has to date
| been pathetically and disappointingly weak.
|
| Another is that multiple independent verifications of information
| will be required and increasingly common. This is already used in
| fields such as journalism and human-rights investigations.[5] A
| problem emerges when it cannot be readily determined that two
| sources are in fact independent.
|
| For business increasingly dependent on remote interactions, the
| risks of impersonation and fraud (is that _really_ the CEO
| calling on a scratchy phone line, or an AI bot?) is a huge and
| growing problem, along with invoice and billing frauds and the
| like.
|
| How we're going to address this, and how the notions of
| "something you are, something you know, and something you have"
| as multiple forms of remote attestation will evolve ... is going
| to be an interesting set of questions.
|
| ________________________________
|
| Notes:
|
| 1. "Generative AI" seems to be the general term describing
| collectively ChatGPT, Sydney, Bard, and other current-generation
| large language model (LLM) AI chatbots.
|
| 2. Note: <https://www.gatesnotes.com/The-Age-of-AI-Has-Begun> HN
| discussion: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35250564>
|
| 3. <https://archive.org/details/controlrevolutio0000unse>
|
| 4. <https://archive.org/details/controlrevolutio0000shap>
|
| 5. See for example:
| <https://www.humanrightscareers.com/skills/beginners-guide-ho...>
| q845712 wrote:
| thanks -- I hadn't previously thought of all the "SBOM signed
| with cosign" stuff as the digital/automated version of "I trust
| this letter reaches you in good health and that we're able to
| meet again on your verdant estate, the name of which I clearly
| know, along with the names of your staff and immediate family."
| dredmorbius wrote:
| "SBOM" == software bill of materials?
|
| Another possible adaptation might be a return to the concept
| of third-party introductions and vouchers.
|
| This borrows in part on the PGP Web of Trust notion (which
| ... has its severe limitations and implications), as well as
| the "Yale Wall" notion from Lawrence Lessig's _Code and Other
| Laws of Cyberspace ", in which _anonymous* posts to a
| _physical_ bulletin board on the Yale campus would be left
| posted _if_ they had been signed _vouched_ by some third
| party, essentially indicating that the content was worth
| viewing.
|
| (HN's own "vouch" feature seems to have echos of this.)
|
| Letters of introduction or credit (a common feature of 19th
| century novels, see Dumas's _The Count of Monte Cristo_ )
| would of course require some modern scaffolding and
| reenforcement, but seem one possible option. It should also
| be noted that even a vouched or introduced entity or
| communication need not be a _trusted_ or _trustworthy_ one.
| Betrayals and turns of allegiance are as old as history
| (Aleric I, sacking Rome, Enkidu in the Epic of Gilgamesh,
| ...). But as a _probabalistic measure of trust_ they are
| _useful_.
|
| Attestations and elements of personal knowledge offer some
| assurance, though as Klein and Kelsey Parker note, a well-
| known columnist and podcaster who's shared many details of
| their private life might have difficulty in distinguishing a
| trustworthy vs. malevolent interlocutor.
| joshmarlow wrote:
| I'm adding "The Control Revolution" to my reading list thanks
| to this post.
|
| I recently finished "The Company: A short History of a
| Revolutionary Idea" [0] and it painted a picture where historic
| development in economic activity is enabled by increasingly
| sophisticated contract technology. The more explicitly people
| were able to specify expectations around business ventures, the
| successful such ventures could be (and the easier to gather
| capital). Seems like something you may enjoy!
|
| [0] - https://www.amazon.com/Company-History-Revolutionary-
| Library...
| dredmorbius wrote:
| For some further related reading:
|
| "The Memorandum as a Management Genre" by JoAnne Yates <http:
| //www.ismlab.usf.edu/dcom/Ch6_YatesMemoMgtCommQtly1989....>
| (PDF)
|
| _Organizing America_ by Charles Perrow is Yet Another Book
| Exploring the Origins of The Corporation: <https://press.pri
| nceton.edu/books/ebook/9781400825080/organi...>
| <https://archive.org/details/organizingameric0000perr>
|
| The New Books Network is a great resource generally for
| academic books and author interviews. Search on "history of
| corporation" yields: <https://newbooksnetwork.com/search?+q=h
| istory+of+corporation>. And I see a number of future
| timesinks, starting with Counter Cola:
| <https://newbooksnetwork.com/counter-cola>
|
| David Hounshell's _Science and Corporate Strategy_ is one of
| several books about major industrial R &D labs. His covers Du
| Pont. <https://archive.org/details/sciencecorporate0008houn>
|
| AT&T's Bell Labs is another notable topic (Jon Gertner, _The
| Idea Factory_ , though I've not read it). I believe there are
| likely books on Xerox, Kodak, and IBM. Rand Corporation hosts
| its own very extensive publications library:
| <https://www.rand.org/pubs.html>
|
| I'll add Mickelthwaite's book to my own rather imposing pile.
| e1g wrote:
| > What we've learnt about technology is that what it does
| depends greatly on who it serves.
|
| You made many good points, but if this one resonates with
| anyone in the context of AI advancements, I recommend this
| long-form essay, "Meditations On Moloch" [1]. It's a thought-
| provoking exploration of the unrelenting drive for competition
| and self-interest, often leading to suboptimal outcomes for
| individuals and society in politics, education, economics, and
| the environment.
|
| [1] https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-
| moloch/ or the audio version at
| https://sscpodcast.libsyn.com/meditations-on-moloch
| dredmorbius wrote:
| Care to summarise what you think the core applicable message
| here of SSC's _Moloch_ is?
|
| If it's that behaviours are emergent ... yes, I get that.
|
| (I've skimmed bits of the piece numerous times. Each time I
| attempt to dig in, the length puts me off. Formatted for
| print, the main text runs > 50 pages, and with comments to
| nearly 300.)
| teeray wrote:
| Title should read "digitally cloning yourself", as I thought this
| was actual human cloning.
| kanzure wrote:
| Animal (including human) cloning isn't that difficult.
| Supermancho wrote:
| After you're an adult, it's pretty tricky to clone you.
| zikduruqe wrote:
| I know. I had this awesome dad joke queued up about making "an
| obscene clone fall"... I'll throw it back into the queue.
| hodgesrm wrote:
| Or something like Neal Stephenson's novel "Fall". [0] It's a
| fun story but you can feel there's a lot more to uploading
| yourself to the cloud than the book can cover.
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall;_or,_Dodge_in_Hell
| dredmorbius wrote:
| NPR has picked up this month-old Substack post with commentary
| that both obscures some of the technical details (specific audio
| and video tools used) whilst adding commentary on political,
| propaganda, and fraud prospects of the technique:
|
| "It takes a few dollars and 8 minutes to create a deepfake. And
| that's only the start"
|
| <https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165146797/it-takes-a-few-dol...>
|
| HN discussion: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35275104>
|
| Both items approach sufficiently distinct angles that I'd feel
| separate posts are at least arguably warranted.
| ozten wrote:
| This is very impressive. Don't miss clicking the first link[1]
|
| This video feels like a tortured digital twin. Very unnerving
| action with the mouth. So creepy. But... if you did 5 seconds of
| full screen and then minimized down into a small circle and had
| your main content, I bet I wouldn't have noticed. Voice is
| passable.
|
| [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=840bHIATbDg
| bhawks wrote:
| > Hopefully, the positive uses will outweigh the negative, but
| our world is changing rapidly, and the consequences are likely to
| be huge.
|
| The word hopefully is holding an Atlas class amount of weight in
| that sentence.
|
| People are not capable of scaling themselves to the amount of
| spam, fraud and manipulation AI enables. I don't think a human-
| like personal tutor is going to counter the tsunami of malicious
| AI generated content designed to optimally divide and break down
| the populace.
| Valgrim wrote:
| Right now, there is no shortage of fake content on the
| internet. i'd even say that the vast majority of what's out
| there is complete bullshit, starting with everything created by
| the forces of marketing, politics or religion.
|
| Despite this, I don't feel drowning in trash. It's really not
| that hard to filter out the bullshit. Our whole lives, we never
| had access to the absolute truth, we've always had to assert
| confidence based on our sense of criticism.
|
| If anything, this AI thing will sharpen even more our bullshit
| detectors, and we'll be better at it.
| jeffwask wrote:
| It's only more terrifying when you cross it with the idea that
| around 50% of the population already can't separate real from
| fake on the internet
| dredmorbius wrote:
| I've been reflecting on the reality of adult literacy and
| technical proficiency, and what implications those have for a
| host of advanced-technology-mediated activities, from basic
| life skills and commerce to informed democracy.
|
| See:
|
| - "Adult Literacy in the United States (2019)"
| <https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019179/index.asp> HN:
| <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29734146>
|
| - "Skills Matter: Further Results from the Survey of Adult
| Skills" a 2016 OECD report based on research conducted in 2011
| --12 and 2014--15 involving 215,942 adults: <https://www.oecd-
| ilibrary.org/education/skills-matter_978926...> NNGroup (Jakob
| Nielsen) writeup, "The Distribution of Users' Computer Skills:
| Worse Than You Think"
| <https://www.nngroup.com/articles/computer-skill-levels/>
|
| For both, the _high-ability_ group is a small set (~15% for
| overall literacy, 5--10% for _technical_ literacy) _at the
| population level_.
|
| Note that this is _highly consistent_ across _multiple_
| countries and does not seem to indicate a _particular_ lack of
| ability amongst American residents. (Though the US literacy
| study does show a marked decline especially of non-native
| English speakers near the Southern border.)
|
| This is sometimes described as the Lake Wobegon Effect (or
| perhaps "Lake Wobegon Fallacy"), which is to say that you can't
| exit a general population cognitive limit by assuming "all the
| children are above average" (from the late NPR radio programme
| "A Prairie Home Companion").
|
| We're going to have to address the coming, and/or _present_ ,
| highly-contaminated epistemic environment with the population
| and skills we have, not those we'd prefer, to borrow from
| another sentiment.
| yamtaddle wrote:
| > We're going to have to address the coming, and/or present,
| highly-contaminated epistemic environment with the population
| and skills we have, not those we'd prefer, to borrow from
| another sentiment.
|
| For the last decade or so I've become increasingly worried
| that the open Internet and broad-franchise democracy may
| simply be, inevitably, incompatible, no matter what we might
| wish were the case, and that we're guaranteed to lose one or
| the other (or, potentially, both).
| GolfPopper wrote:
| The way a friend of mine phrased it was that in a few
| generations (if both humanity and something like the
| internet are still around) people will look back on modern
| virtually unfiltered internet access and think of it the
| way we look back at virtually unlimited access to opium in
| 19th century England.
|
| (To clarify, she's thinking along the lines of personally
| controlled, managed filters, like those from the near-
| future parts of Neal Stephenson's _Fall_ , not some sort of
| centralized control.)
| dredmorbius wrote:
| That'd be two of us, friend.
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| This is one of the strongest arguments for limiting the
| scope and responsibility of government.
|
| There's one thing for people to harm themselves due to
| their mistakes, and another thing entirely for them to harm
| others because of their mistakes.
|
| Moreover, people don't learn from their mistakes if someone
| else is the one that suffers the consequences
| dredmorbius wrote:
| People are hardly restricted to governments to enact this
| sort of harm.
|
| Power seeks power, and power exerts power. It does so
| through markets, through criminal organisations, through
| militaries (nationally-affiliated, mercenary, or any of a
| continuum of hybrid forms), and more.
|
| Liberal democratic governments are _at least in name and
| theory_ accountable to the governed, and even many less
| democratic forms still reflect the collective will of
| diverse groups within their societies.
|
| The Max Weber dictum that's so often misquoted and mis-
| construed doesn't hold that government has a monopoly on
| force, but that it has the monopoly to _the legitimate
| claim_ on same.
|
| Weber, Max (1978). Roth, Guenther; Wittich, Claus (eds.).
| _Economy and Society_. Berkeley: U. California Press. p.
| 54.
|
| <https://archive.org/details/economysociety00webe/page/54
| /mod...>
|
| Yes, _limit_ government, and ensure that it is _lawful_
| and _legitimate_ (as opposed to capricious and corrupt).
| But don 't _eliminate_ it, as then all that remains is
| violence used without legitimacy or restraint.
| bena wrote:
| Bonsai Kitten, a website that purported to be reviving the lost
| art of shoving cats in glass jars, had more than one person
| complaining to remove the site.
| neilv wrote:
| When Bonsai Kitten first happened (over 20 years ago), my
| concern was that it might inspire people to abuse animals.
|
| (We've all heard of children torturing animals, especially
| cats. I don't know why that happens, but planting ideas or
| making light of it doesn't seem like a great idea.)
| jeffwask wrote:
| one of my favorite examples of this was Minecraft and
| Parrots, In the initial release of parrots you could feed
| them cookies. People complained that this would teach
| children it's OK to feed parrots cookies which would
| actually kill them. Rightfully so impressionable minds and
| all that. (Even though in my 40's I log ridiculous hours in
| minecraft) Minecraft patched out feeding parrots cookies
| and it now kills them in game too.
|
| Problem solved, children learn a better lesson.
| YellOh wrote:
| I haven't heard of Bonsai Kitten, but your description made
| me think of the (sadly banned) r/DogDiet
| bentcorner wrote:
| More than once it's crossed my mind that I have personally
| encountered a very very very small slice of the real world, and
| anything outside of that observed on the internet could very
| well be a fabrication.
|
| I base my belief in what I see online on cross-checking,
| general trust-worthiness of sources I encounter, and my gut
| feeling for the difficulty of faking something, but there's
| nothing stopping a determined adversary from inserting things
| into my perceived reality.
|
| A sufficiently advanced AI could be generating the internet on
| the fly just for me and I wouldn't be any the wiser.
| StrangeATractor wrote:
| Isn't this the basis for some gen-z conspiracy theory?
| doublepg23 wrote:
| "Dead internet theory" but 80% of it is schizo-ramblings
| that obscures the broader idea.
| kjs3 wrote:
| I think the "we're the ones living in the Matrix" meme
| predates gen-z.
| ofrzeta wrote:
| Just tried it. Elevenlabs doesn't really work with non-English
| language. Five bucks out the window :)
| Pigalowda wrote:
| Pretty cheap to do! It'll only get better as well.
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